Guy Mancuso wrote:
plus I had the 580 in my hand and during the 8 seconds was painting the foreground and truck with light.

I wondered if you could do that for long exposures! Very interesting and useful. I'll have to play around with that technique. Thanks for the quick explanation!

cheers,
Chris

Guy Mancuso wrote:
I love technigue discussions because really this is what it is all about , learning HOW to shoot not so much the gear stuff arguements we get into

Have to agree with you here, Guy. It's refreshing when you see pros in any profession that don't mind sharing their techniques (err...secrets?), and you have certainly set the standard on that score here at FM. It is much appreciated. (I also enjoy these kind of posts much better than one's that jump into someone else's thread to "suggest" what subjects should and should not be discussed. )

I enjoy seeing all these shots with the Zeiss 21mm. Keep 'em coming!

I'm the same way. Every camera can make great images,...just not every camera/lens/setup/photographer can make EVERY type of great image.

Along these lines, I'm debating "1Ds2 vs. 1D2" and a friend of mine (and Hasselblad Award Winner) is saying "get the 3 lenses you're planning, forget the 1-series cameras, get a 20D, the 10-22, skip the 16-35L, get a XPAN2 with all three lenses, it'll be the same as the 1Ds2 plus your original 3 lenses."

He's right, within 4$ actually...and now he's got me thinking...hmm...

Film's not dead...its just that digital has brought a new habit of "fast easy" to photography...I have felt the siren's song of "hold the button down, you'll get the shot"...but what about the amazing shot?

The thing we're all basically saying here...is that there are not a lot of GOOD wide options for SLR...DSLR, Canon...whomever...hence the CZ disease.

G.

OK, you convinced me. I'm selling my 1DsII and buying back my RTS III - not! Forgive me, but the 1DsII is giving me images that my RTS III was never capable of providing me, and comes close and in some ways surpasses what my Bronica GS-1 and Fuji GX-680 were capable of.

Hence the CZ disease . Which BTW, is away from the fast and easy, in case you haven't understood its implications.

The amazing shot comes out of you knowing your gear and recognizing the magic moment, regardless of gear ... Be The Image ...

For some reason, people take the affirmation of a certain thing as the negation of everything else. At least for me, that is not what this is about.


Edited by djgarcia on May 29, 2005 at 05:10 PM GMT

What's XPAN2?

Arglebargle wrote:
What's XPAN2?

Google is your friend...
"The Hasselblad XPan is a compact panoramic camera that uses 35mm film and a range-finder method of focussing."

Chris

Hasselblad XPAN
24x65 mm panorama format

http://www.hasselblad.se/products/level3.asp?secId=979&itemId=2698

/Lasse

Guy Mancuso wrote:
DPP is very usefull with shooting tethered like this because you can control the camera remotely

Thanks for all this additional info. (You sound like George Lukas explaining some of the movie magic). I guess a laptop is becoming a necessary "camera accessory" for pro shoots nowadays. Still, I'll have to play around with some of these techniques (for fun).

Love the term "painting with light." I'd need to either upgrade from my 420ex or at least get a flash cord.

cheers,
Chris

Thanks!!!!! Never saw a 3000 dollar 30mm lens before!

Xpan is a rangefinder camera. The way real pictures are taken

Here are a few samples






more can be seen at rangefinderforum.com/photopost

djgarcia...I hear you about negation, to me, its a matter of what I can make work on some kind of budget. RE: all my polls in the PRO corner, I am looking at what is reasonable...and my friend gave me an alternative theory of how I can get flexibility, and, the excellence in the wides we apparently all seek

G.

What a lot of you landscape shooters should be looking at for fun , is stitching. A great way to get high resolution files from lower resolution camera's

Yep.

7-image stitch taken with the lowly 10D / 28-135 IS --c

A sample with the Zeiss 21:
Old bridge in the Zagoria region in Greece:

H. Kretzschmar.
Been missing you !

Guy Mancuso wrote:
I love technigue discussions because really this is what it is all about , learning HOW to shoot not so much the gear stuff arguements we get into

Yes and I treasure the nuggets of pure gold information (for me), like your description of your lighting in that office shot. It got me thinking very, very seriously ..... thx again for sharing Guy.

You guys are making me jealous. The color, clarity, contrast, sharpness, and subject separation are the best I've seen! You'd expect that from a $3900 lens though right?

magnificent thread - thanks to all and especially for sharing techniques - i never wouuld have thought of using a 580 to paint during a long exposure.

One question - i have noticed that all of the zeiss/1ds(ii) shots have a particular look to them - almost film like. Is this a result purely of the lens, the 1ds(ii), post processing or a combination ?

thanks

Simon

Guy, I'm not sure.
This has come up for me before with this thread - (http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic2/209507/0#1717370. Again CZ21 on a 1DSII - so i tend to agree but one day i'd love to see some shots taken of the same subjects to compare look, not sharpness or CA or any of the technical aspects but simply the artistic side. I think the test shots comparing glass have always been of a more functional nature where the look doesn't get a chance to show as much.

I hope that all makes sense...lol

Simon

Oh it's definitely there - I have been trying to work out what it is. I want to get a 1DS later this year and half the conundrum for me has been whether it is the 1dsII that has that look or whether the 1DS also has it. The cost difference is substantial !! lol

Simon

my first shot of the 21 zeiss on 1ds2m with jorge adapter!!

is at f4

a box of keychains


the detail is incredibile

no sharp in cam no post production (10mb file)

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go to www.ilservermillenario.com

the first link



for 1000 dollars is rare, in italian shop is finished this lens, wait indefinite time. I will inform to you if it appears in the lists

This must be the first time that I've seen a full rez file from the 1Ds mk II. It is HUGE!! That is needless to say though...

Here goes Mr. Mancuso! Taken with a mere 10D! This is my first photos with the Zeiss 21mm long before it gets hot!

Close-up of the above photo. I took a few photos with the 16-35mm and 17-40mm as well, and they won't come close in resolving power!!! Yes, it does matter even on a 10D

These photos are straigh from the camera and has been down-size to JPEG 40-50% quality, so please excuse! It's not the lens's fault!