Metabones Speed Booster
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mcbroomf
Registered: Mar 18, 2003
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Country: United States

alundeb wrote:
mcbroomf wrote:
alundeb wrote:
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With the SB, Canon lenses is the new alt
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I was thinking that ... I put my 85/1.2 (Ver 1) on the Nex 7 and it reported F1.0


A shame the NEX cameras don't report anything below 1.0, you should actually get 0.9
Try Aperture priority, and you should find "1.0" at the two widest settings, one of them is actually 0.9
That is how it worked with my Canon 50 mm 1.0 L, but that lens with the SB is another story.


Yes, you're right.... Thanks



DomValladolid
Registered: Jan 14, 2013
Total Posts: 3
Country: Australia

Has anyone tried an Nikon F-mount with Nikon to Canon converter + SB ? I can't seem to wait for a proper F-mount version and besides all my lenses are MF (AI/AIS)



mortyb
Registered: Feb 15, 2009
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Alundeb, good going! Please try some Zeiss lenses, I'm very curious if they look good with the SB.



alundeb
Registered: Nov 06, 2005
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Country: Norway

DomValladolid wrote:
Has anyone tried an Nikon F-mount with Nikon to Canon converter + SB ? I can't seem to wait for a proper F-mount version and besides all my lenses are MF (AI/AIS)


It works!

I have the Planar 50 1.4 ZF.2 on it right now, and will bring it with me today and see if I can get a real photo with the "look".



cyberstudio
Registered: Nov 08, 2005
Total Posts: 594
Country: Canada

mcbroomf wrote:
I'd mentioned that the 58/1.2 Rokkor wouldn't allow the shutter to open unless I wiggled it a bit (the mount to the SB is slightly loose), a 24mm VFC Rokkor that Jim converted for me, as well as a 24/1.4 FD that I bought converted and appears to have one of Jim's mounts (wide adapter) sit firmly and I can't get the shutter to open at all. I would guess that it shorting a couple of pins that the firmware doesn't like. Tonight I'll tape the pins to see if they start working. If they do perhaps Metabones could fix that with a firmware update (presumably they short the same pins on a Canon body yet don't affect it). By the way when I go into the menu it won't allow me to switch the Release W/O lens to ENABLE. I keep this option on ENABLE and when I put a lens on that's OK it defaults to that.


Nah, not firing is the correct behaviour here. It forces the user to tape the contacts and prevent a short circuit from taking place. Why would any 100% mechanical lens want to make contact with the electronic contacts? (Pun intended.)



mortyb
Registered: Feb 15, 2009
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Country: Norway

Sweet, this I'm looking forward to.



michael49
Registered: Jun 09, 2006
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Country: United States

alundeb wrote:
The adapter really looks short, it feels more like using an M adapter than an N adapter.

The design is also very nice, one end matching the mount and the other matching the lens.
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Sweet. Thanks for all the test shots, very insightful.

However, what I would love to see is how the total image compares between the SB on a NEX and the same lens pared with a FF sensor - ultimately I think this is what will matter most to me. If I want sharp corners for a landscape my OM-D can give me that in spades with the current m4/3 line-up, but I want to see how out of focus areas look. Will it have that same "pop" and subject isolation that a larger FF sensor provides?

For example, this is a shot I took the other day with the 6D and Zeiss C/Y 85 2.8 wide open. What I want to see is whether the SB will yield the same "look" with the same lens....

http://brownphotography.smugmug.com/photos/i-H6Sztcr/0/XL/i-H6Sztcr-XL.jpg



inglis
Registered: Feb 24, 2011
Total Posts: 328
Country: United States

Mike
Thanks for all these details on lenses fitting the SB.
Are your CY adapters ones with electric contacts?
If so, are adapters with electric contacts better in order not to short the adapter?
John
A SB test thread has started at mflenses, so far with similar but less detailed OM results,
http://forum.mflenses.com/metabones-speed-booster-test-thread



mcbroomf
Registered: Mar 18, 2003
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Country: United States

John, no, none of my adapters have chips.
Bo, I guess that makes sense, I just wonder why they work OK on an EOS body.. any idea?
Michael, I have been out all morning taking paired shots (much of the time) with a 1Ds3 or 5D2 and the same lens on the Nex7. I'll download tonight.



cyberstudio
Registered: Nov 08, 2005
Total Posts: 594
Country: Canada

Well you mentioned you had to wiggle the lens a little bit, so I guess the metal is just dangerously close to the contacts on EOS but actually makes contacts on Speed Booster. (They are spring-loaded pins, so there's got to be variations between different springs.)



cyberstudio
Registered: Nov 08, 2005
Total Posts: 594
Country: Canada

michael49 wrote:
However, what I would love to see is how the total image compares between the SB on a NEX and the same lens pared with a FF sensor - ultimately I think this is what will matter most to me. If I want sharp corners for a landscape my OM-D can give me that in spades with the current m4/3 line-up, but I want to see how out of focus areas look. Will it have that same "pop" and subject isolation that a larger FF sensor provides?


Good news: the upcoming m4/3 version optimizes for the smaller image circle required and had sharper corners.



DomValladolid
Registered: Jan 14, 2013
Total Posts: 3
Country: Australia

alundeb wrote:
DomValladolid wrote:
Has anyone tried an Nikon F-mount with Nikon to Canon converter + SB ? I can't seem to wait for a proper F-mount version and besides all my lenses are MF (AI/AIS)


It works!

I have the Planar 50 1.4 ZF.2 on it right now, and will bring it with me today and see if I can get a real photo with the "look".


I can't wait to see some posted pics Let me know if you have issue with infinity focus



Dudewithoutape
Registered: Oct 07, 2009
Total Posts: 1093
Country: United States

cyberstudio wrote:
michael49 wrote:
However, what I would love to see is how the total image compares between the SB on a NEX and the same lens pared with a FF sensor - ultimately I think this is what will matter most to me. If I want sharp corners for a landscape my OM-D can give me that in spades with the current m4/3 line-up, but I want to see how out of focus areas look. Will it have that same "pop" and subject isolation that a larger FF sensor provides?


Good news: the upcoming m4/3 version optimizes for the smaller image circle required and had sharper corners.


Is it a .5 converter then (for ff eqv)? Sorry on phone right now so limited internet.



alundeb
Registered: Nov 06, 2005
Total Posts: 4561
Country: Norway

The takeaway from the test image crops, is that you don't get the same "pop" from what is in focus. The SB adds a glow, some USM (8 px 25%) will be necessary to try to make it look like without the SB Adapter. Note that this is for Category 1 comparisons (vs same lens on FF camera).

Infinity focus is indeed a problem with the Planar 50 ZF.2 and Novoflex adapters. The adapter with aperture lever is worst


Planar 50 ZF.2 at 35 mm f/1.0. USM applied.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn242/Overflate/Planar50_interior_zpsf5680693.jpg



mcbroomf
Registered: Mar 18, 2003
Total Posts: 2538
Country: United States

I uploaded some images @50% (res, not crops). LR4 default inport, no sharpening on export to jpg.
I have a few to add labels (the airplane, brainfart on lenses and setting at the moment).
Labels say it all I hope, all Nex7 with SB
Lenses used; Leica R 28 and 60 Elmarit, Rokkor 58/1.2 (only worked for a while) Rokinon 35/1.4, C/Y 18mm, OM 90/2, Canon FD 35mm T/S
I hope I got the lebels right I'm doing this in a hurry. If some are wrong (eg apertures reversed etc) I'll fix later today or tomorrow.
Heading out soon for some more comparisons.
http://www.pbase.com/mike_broomfield/speed_booster&page=all
Click on original to get the biggest image

PS. 1st couple of photos with the Nex 7 I didn't notice I'd bumped it to Auto ISO so they are at 800.. grr...



cyberstudio
Registered: Nov 08, 2005
Total Posts: 594
Country: Canada

Dudewithoutape wrote:
cyberstudio wrote:
michael49 wrote:
However, what I would love to see is how the total image compares between the SB on a NEX and the same lens pared with a FF sensor - ultimately I think this is what will matter most to me. If I want sharp corners for a landscape my OM-D can give me that in spades with the current m4/3 line-up, but I want to see how out of focus areas look. Will it have that same "pop" and subject isolation that a larger FF sensor provides?


Good news: the upcoming m4/3 version optimizes for the smaller image circle required and had sharper corners.


Is it a .5 converter then (for ff eqv)? Sorry on phone right now so limited internet.


No, still 0.7x, but then the advantage is DX lenses + SB would barely cover the m4/3 image circle, opening up some ultrawide possibilities.



DomValladolid
Registered: Jan 14, 2013
Total Posts: 3
Country: Australia

mcbroomf wrote:
I uploaded some images @50% (res, not crops). LR4 default inport, no sharpening on export to jpg.
I have a few to add labels (the airplane, brainfart on lenses and setting at the moment).
Labels say it all I hope, all Nex7 with SB
Lenses used; Leica R 28 and 60 Elmarit, Rokkor 58/1.2 (only worked for a while) Rokinon 35/1.4, C/Y 18mm, OM 90/2, Canon FD 35mm T/S
I hope I got the lebels right I'm doing this in a hurry. If some are wrong (eg apertures reversed etc) I'll fix later today or tomorrow.
Heading out soon for some more comparisons.
http://www.pbase.com/mike_broomfield/speed_booster&page=all
Click on original to get the biggest image

PS. 1st couple of photos with the Nex 7 I didn't notice I'd bumped it to Auto ISO so they are at 800.. grr...


Thanks for the photo upload. I have noticed a warm cast with the SB + Nex7 as compared to the neutral color of the 1ds. Is it just a WB issue or they're on the same settings?



michael49
Registered: Jun 09, 2006
Total Posts: 5488
Country: United States

alundeb wrote:
The takeaway from the test image crops, is that you don't get the same "pop" from what is in focus. The SB adds a glow, some USM (8 px 25%) will be necessary to try to make it look like without the SB Adapter. Note that this is for Category 1 comparisons (vs same lens on FF camera)....


The "glow" you mention was evident in some of Roger's images from his LensRentals review of the SB. If its easily correctable in LR then it won't bother me, but the "glow" that was present in his images seemed like something that might not be so easy to fix.



michael49
Registered: Jun 09, 2006
Total Posts: 5488
Country: United States

mcbroomf wrote:
...Heading out soon for some more comparisons.
...


Thanks so much for the comparisons shots (especially in the frigid weather )

If you can find the time what I'd really love to see is some wide aperture/subject isolation comparison shots between the SB and FF.



mcbroomf
Registered: Mar 18, 2003
Total Posts: 2538
Country: United States

Michael, I added 2 more pairs from the 35/1.4 Rokinon at the front of the gallery. The photos of the fishing boat doesn't isolate very well as it's so far away, but the tail of the airplane does. There is also a pair of the boat taken with the OM90 at F2. I don't care for the bokeh from the 90/N7 combo and was surprised to see it.

Mike



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