The 180mm Shoot-out
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Lee Saxon
Registered: Jun 07, 2012
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Plus, Canon lenses can't be mounted on Nikon because the flange distance is too long.

Maybe I'll wait a year and there will be a FF NEX so I can do some of those C/Y lenses as well.

carstenw wrote:
Except that the 180/2 Cron is f/2!!!


Keep talking! You're going to end up having to ship that thing to New Orleans for a week.



carstenw
Registered: Dec 26, 2005
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Hehe

If the weather turns around at all and if we get some nice light, I might take it out to do some demo shots.



Bifurcator
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Bifurcator wrote:
When you do it include a moderately priced zoom that covers 180mm (hopefully a 100-300 or a zoom of XX-200mm known to be good at the long end) for posterity. It will add controversy to the test and shake some people's faith.

On the prime list there's:

Tamron SP180mm F2.5 LD
Contax 180mm F/2.8
Canon EF 180mm F/3.5L
Nikkor-P Auto 180mm f/2.8
Zeiss Jena DDR Sonnar 180mm F/2.8

All of which I dig.

And
Sigma APO 180mm f/3.5
Zeiss Sonnar 180mm F/4 ZV - as long as you're doing MF lenses.
Jupiter-6 (M39) 180mm F/2.8

Of course most of those won't mount on a Canon body... such a shame! (Maybe borrow a "real" camera for the test! hehe...j/k)

artur5 wrote:
Which one of these won't mount on a Canon body ?
Or do you meant a NIKON body ?


Oh, yeah... I meant "FF Nikon" that the OP said he was using. Hehe, thinking "Nikon" and wrote "Canon". See how disrespectful we 4/3 users are!?!.




carstenw
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Them's fighting words!



Michael Gordon
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Perhaps Viv S1 90-180 macro ? Nice rendering and bokeh (esp for a zoom) but a tad of color shift due the coating and number of interfaces.



carstenw
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Did anyone mention the Contax 80-200/4 yet? Sweet little zoom, quite light and inexpensive. Quite decent wide open, strong when stopped down, nice boke.



Lee Saxon
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Just picked up a very inexpensive Vernon Edonar 180/3.5 to add a little variety.



Lee Saxon
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[line-up added to first post]



uhoh7
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Should be an interesting comparison. I found a nikon 180 ais in mexico, of all places, and while hardly in perfect condition, it is the sharpest +90mm I own. I have something like 6 135s, but none seem to touch it.







It's a heavy bugger, but post foray, I rarely regret taking it







Rodluvan
Registered: Sep 01, 2010
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Are there any optical differences between the Nikon 180/2.8 ED AI-s and the AFD (later version)?



carstenw
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I don't know if there are differences, but both are meant to be great, and I don't think anyone has claimed that the new version is better optically, just more convenient. There might be some minor coating differences, so if there are any differences optically, I would expect them to be in the area of flare.



kosmoskatten
Registered: Oct 11, 2005
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I had the 180/2.8 Ais and shot some music concerts with it and used it from time to time over a couple of years. Great lens. In the last legs of film I had the AF version and they were equal. Judging from older MTF scorings and tests they were very close and by all means equal in real life shooting conditions. I preferred the manual version for handling.

I preferred both slightly over the 180/2.8 Contax lens, and for close range I thought them slightly better than the 180/3.4 APO-Telyt (which by default is almost useless for portraits due to long/poor min focusing distance). For distant shots the APO-Telyt was visibly better though. The Canon EF200/2.8 I thought was a very fine lens too, quite comparable to the Nikkors.

For me, the best of all 180/200mm lenses was clearly the 180/2.8 APO Elmarit. And, over the years I had a few. But, for practical use I preferred the APO-Telyt and ended up keeping it, using other focal lengths for short distance work.
For a short period I used a Dynax/Maxxum outfit (in between system stop gap solution) and the Minolta APO 200/2.8 was an amazing lens. And I'd almost dare say it was probably on par with the APO Elmarit though perhaps not around infinity.

Haven't seen/tried the Mamiya 200/2.8 though.

Other 200mm lenses have been:
Contax Tele-Tessar 200/4 and the 200/3.5, Nikkor 200/4 (crap, I thought), Tamron 180/2.5. Most of them very fine lenses.





Lee Saxon
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kosmoskatten wrote:Nikkor 200/4 (crap, I thought)

I assume you're talking about the non-Macro 200/4, which I have no experience with. I find 200/4 Micro very good.

Rodluvan wrote:
Are there any optical differences between the Nikon 180/2.8 ED AI-s and the AFD (later version)?


Yes, they're completely different designs. The AI-s has five elements in five groups and the AF-D has eight elements in six groups. I haven't used the AF-D so I can't comment on how that affects performance, except that it does focus closer.

My budget for this comparison test is pretty much used up, but if I come up with the money I'll add an AF-D.

If anyone wants to loan/rent me that lens, or a Leica 180/2.8 APO-Elmarit-R :P ....



AmbientMike
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The Tamron 672d was really sharp at 180.



zalmyb
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There's the schneider 180 2.8 for the rolleiflex 6000 series, but I dont think there's any way to manually stop down the aperture



kosmoskatten
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Lee: yes, the Nikkor 200/4 non micro lens which I regrettably took over the 180/2.8 ED for a trip to Ireland. No bite/crisp/pop in that lens.

Thanks for clarifying the difference between the 180 AF and Ai-S version, I wrongly assumed they were the same optical configuration, should have checked. Performance was similar though. Both great lenses.

For size and performance the 180/2.8 Elmarit is hard to beat.
For long range the APO Telyt 180/3.4 is superb.
For close range work there are better suited 180's.
I think the Mamiya 200/2.8 APO is right up there with the best, but comes with a weight penalty.
The Schneider 180/2.8 for Rollei is not in the same league. (Schneider 90/4 and 300/4 are superb, though)

If I had to do action photography I'd choose any Canon/Nikon/Sony 180-200/2.8 AF or 70-200/2.8 zoom lenses and shoot my legacy glass for other work. None of them are poor lenses.



zalmyb
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And then there's the Aero Ektar 175 mm 2.5 lens...



Peire
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Rodluvan wrote:
Are there any optical differences between the Nikon 180/2.8 ED AI-s and the AFD (later version)?


Yes.AIS is 5/5 and AFD/AF-n/AF lenses are 8/6 lenses construction.1 ED lens and 9 blades aperture in each.In the real life on DSLRs AIS tends to produce a tad more CA esp. wide opened.Besides no more relevant IQ differences.Both are excellent lenses.



kosmoskatten
Registered: Oct 11, 2005
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Peire wrote:
Rodluvan wrote:
Are there any optical differences between the Nikon 180/2.8 ED AI-s and the AFD (later version)?


Yes.AIS is 5/5 and AFD/AF-n/AF lenses are 8/6 lenses construction.1 ED lens and 9 blades aperture in each.In the real life on DSLRs AIS tends to produce a tad more CA esp. wide opened.Besides no more relevant IQ differences.All are excellent lenses.


Yes, my experience with:
Nikkor 200/4, 180/2.8 Ai-s and ED-IF-AF(n), Nikkor Ai-s 135/2, Contax 135/2 and 2.8 and the rest of the 200mm Contax lenses are all back in the film days, louping and enlarging.

My digital experience only includes the 180/2.8 APO elmarit, APO-Telyt 3.4, Canon EF135/2L and Sony 135/1.8.



rioni
Registered: Aug 20, 2010
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oops, looks like you're testing the ai-s, removed.



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