Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)
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glacierpete
Registered: Sep 17, 2010
Total Posts: 148
Country: N/A

Tariq, it will be interesting when PhotoNinja supports the Merrill raws. They told me they are planing to support them. It is my favorite converter for my Nex5n and Nikon files.
I cannot see the artifact you mentioned on my screen.
The latest DP2M firmware 1.05 refers to some recording problems in previous versions:
-Corrects the phenomenon that, in rare cases, images are not recorded properly when the battery level is low.
-Corrects the rare phenomenon that the recording process does not go perfectly when the camera is turned off right after taking the image.



tulaev
Registered: Nov 17, 2012
Total Posts: 92
Country: Russia

Jochenb wrote:
Not really about the RX1, but the latest rumours say that you can use the RX1 EVF on the upcoming RX100 mkII. That's great.

It's too expensive for RX100. Maybe Sony is going to produce a cheaper EVF?



Tariq Gibran
Registered: Oct 01, 2006
Total Posts: 10840
Country: United States

glacierpete wrote:
Tariq, it will be interesting when PhotoNinja supports the Merrill raws. They told me they are planing to support them. It is my favorite converter for my Nex5n and Nikon files.
I cannot see the artifact you mentioned on my screen.
The latest DP2M firmware 1.05 refers to some recording problems in previous versions:
-Corrects the phenomenon that, in rare cases, images are not recorded properly when the battery level is low.
-Corrects the rare phenomenon that the recording process does not go perfectly when the camera is turned off right after taking the image.


That will be interesting to see how PhotoNinja handles foveon raws, particularly given the technology that program already includes (if they wanted, I'm sure they could exactly mimic what SPP does and probably even do a better job overall).

Looking at these Merrill files again reinforces just how nice they are at the pixel level.



Jochenb
Registered: May 25, 2010
Total Posts: 1819
Country: Belgium

tulaev wrote:
Jochenb wrote:
Not really about the RX1, but the latest rumours say that you can use the RX1 EVF on the upcoming RX100 mkII. That's great.

It's too expensive for RX100. Maybe Sony is going to produce a cheaper EVF?


I understand, but if it works that's great news for the people (like me) that already own the EVF and don't need to buy an extra one.



wayne seltzer
Registered: Dec 22, 2007
Total Posts: 4175
Country: United States

Helena, your Fuji camera has APS-C sensor which probably has less steep ray angles than the FF RX1 which also has a very short register length. This could maybe cause the filter thickness to matter more. Only way to tell for sure would be to do side by side comparisons with other filters. Glad you found a new companion camera to your RX1. Very nice images with the Fuji camera too.




HelenaN wrote:
joanlvh, sorry to hear that! How frustrating that it happened in a middle of a trip. Hope it'll work out somehow.


From one thing to another. A while back Wayne said that some polarizers may be worse than others when it comes to uneven coloration of the sky. It sounded unlikely, but I didn't rule it out.

Now I have a Fuji X-E1 with the 14mm lens and decided to try the old Hoya polarizer I happened to have lying around. I took a whole bunch of photos, and some are posted here:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1097477/98#11625534
As you can see, the filter had very little negative effect on those shots, except the last one. What's so surprising is that I took a near identical version of that with RX1 and its sky is much worse! Being less wide I would have thought that it would have been the other way around. It wasn't an isolated occurrence, I could see the same in other shots where I had used both cameras.

So, I guess my Sigma filter is the cause after all. Or possible something about the design of RX1's lens, but since Wayne has less problems than I that's unlikely.



HelenaN
Registered: Jul 18, 2008
Total Posts: 1223
Country: Norway

wayne seltzer wrote:
Helena, your Fuji camera has APS-C sensor which probably has less steep ray angles than the FF RX1 which also has a very short register length. This could maybe cause the filter thickness to matter more. Only way to tell for sure would be to do side by side comparisons with other filters. Glad you found a new companion camera to your RX1. Very nice images with the Fuji camera too.


Thanks! I didn't think about that, but it sounds likely.
Anyway, that was the last drop, so now I'll finally order a thinner/better one for my RX1.



wayne seltzer
Registered: Dec 22, 2007
Total Posts: 4175
Country: United States

HelenaN wrote:
wayne seltzer wrote:
Helena, your Fuji camera has APS-C sensor which probably has less steep ray angles than the FF RX1 which also has a very short register length. This could maybe cause the filter thickness to matter more. Only way to tell for sure would be to do side by side comparisons with other filters. Glad you found a new companion camera to your RX1. Very nice images with the Fuji camera too.


Thanks! I didn't think about that, but it sounds likely.
Anyway, that was the last drop, so now I'll finally order a thinner/better one for my RX1.


You can always return it if it does not perform better, right?



sflxn
Registered: Mar 14, 2006
Total Posts: 842
Country: United States

After 2 days of using this camera, I hate to say I am not gelling with it. The ergonomics of the camera is really bugging me. There is nothing to grip on. Plus, the lens cap is so small, I find it a little tricky to be sure it's on tight sometimes. I have compared the image quality with that of the 24/1.8 for NEX and can attest to the lens' quality, but I'm not sure I can be happy with this camera. I was using it along with my NEX-7 and Ricoh GR, and the difference in ergonomic was too glaring. I know I can get a grip for it, but man, the NEX-7 and GR are so great ergonomically. I don't believe any grip will ever bring it up to those cameras' ergonomics.

Also, the LCD is extremely dim outside. I have the brightness to max, and I can hardly see anything on it. I have no trouble with the NEX-7's LCD.



douglasf13
Registered: Apr 09, 2008
Total Posts: 6107
Country: United States

sflxn wrote:
After 2 days of using this camera, I hate to say I am not gelling with it. The ergonomics of the camera is really bugging me. There is nothing to grip on. Plus, the lens cap is so small, I find it a little tricky to be sure it's on tight sometimes. I have compared the image quality with that of the 24/1.8 for NEX and can attest to the lens' quality, but I'm not sure I can be happy with this camera. I was using it along with my NEX-7 and Ricoh GR, and the difference in ergonomic was too glaring. I know I can get a grip for it, but man, the NEX-7 and GR are so great ergonomically. I don't believe any grip will ever bring it up to those cameras' ergonomics.

Also, the LCD is extremely dim outside. I have the brightness to max, and I can hardly see anything on it. I have no trouble with the NEX-7's LCD.


Oddly enough, when I moved from the NEX-5N to the NEX-7 a couple of years back, I actually missed the ergonomics of the 5N, because it felt so good with a leather half-case attached, and the NEX-7 felt better without the half-case, but still not as good as the 5N with the case.



Muizen
Registered: Mar 31, 2006
Total Posts: 23
Country: Belgium

sflxn wrote:
After 2 days of using this camera, I hate to say I am not gelling with it. The ergonomics of the camera is really bugging me. There is nothing to grip on. Plus, the lens cap is so small, I find it a little tricky to be sure it's on tight sometimes. I have compared the image quality with that of the 24/1.8 for NEX and can attest to the lens' quality, but I'm not sure I can be happy with this camera. I was using it along with my NEX-7 and Ricoh GR, and the difference in ergonomic was too glaring. I know I can get a grip for it, but man, the NEX-7 and GR are so great ergonomically. I don't believe any grip will ever bring it up to those cameras' ergonomics.

Also, the LCD is extremely dim outside. I have the brightness to max, and I can hardly see anything on it. I have no trouble with the NEX-7's LCD.

As I wrote earlier I have a half case made by Gariz (type XS-CHRX1M) that improves the grip and use of the RX1 considerably. This quality case makes it possible to change cards and battery without removing it.

I also have the EVF permanently attached. It is excellent in viewing quality and there is no need at all to use the LCD when outside. It doesn't add much size to the camera because it is small.

This is a digital camera with the highest image quality on the market and that is the first and most important property a camera should offer. Ergonomics can be improved, a lack of image quality can not!



sflxn
Registered: Mar 14, 2006
Total Posts: 842
Country: United States

Muizen wrote:
sflxn wrote:
After 2 days of using this camera, I hate to say I am not gelling with it. The ergonomics of the camera is really bugging me. There is nothing to grip on. Plus, the lens cap is so small, I find it a little tricky to be sure it's on tight sometimes. I have compared the image quality with that of the 24/1.8 for NEX and can attest to the lens' quality, but I'm not sure I can be happy with this camera. I was using it along with my NEX-7 and Ricoh GR, and the difference in ergonomic was too glaring. I know I can get a grip for it, but man, the NEX-7 and GR are so great ergonomically. I don't believe any grip will ever bring it up to those cameras' ergonomics.

Also, the LCD is extremely dim outside. I have the brightness to max, and I can hardly see anything on it. I have no trouble with the NEX-7's LCD.

As I wrote earlier I have a half case made by Gariz (type XS-CHRX1M) that improves the grip and use of the RX1 considerably. This quality case makes it possible to change cards and battery without removing it.

I also have the EVF permanently attached. It is excellent in viewing quality and there is no need at all to use the LCD when outside. It doesn't add much size to the camera because it is small.

This is a digital camera with the highest image quality on the market and that is the first and most important property a camera should offer. Ergonomics can be improved, a lack of image quality can not!


I've heard mixed reviews of the Gariz case for the RX1. This is specific to the RX1 case. Something about scraping the bottom of the camera or something. Anyway, lack of grip isn't my only ergonomic complaint. The lens cap needs a redesign. I'm not sure if it's just my copy, but the push button on the scroll wheel is unnervingly squishy. If I end up keeping it, I will likely get the EVF. The LCD on my RX1 is absolutely useless outdoors. Again, it may just be my copy. I got it from Amazon's warehouse deals. They claimed 'like new', but I disagree. I might go to Samy's and compare my copy to theirs.

I disagree on the importance of IQ over ergonomics. For me, they are both equal. For a mirrorless camera, it's the best IQ out there, but if you're willing to go beyond mirrorless, then you have the D800(E) and medium format. They have great IQ but terrible ergonomics due to weight and size. If you can't feel good about using the camera, then you're thinking about the handling instead of thinking about the shot.



Jochenb
Registered: May 25, 2010
Total Posts: 1819
Country: Belgium

The dim LCD screen doesn't sound normal. Mine is very bright.



Asimo
Registered: Oct 27, 2004
Total Posts: 185
Country: Canada

mine is bright also , had no problem with RX1 LCD



Tariq Gibran
Registered: Oct 01, 2006
Total Posts: 10840
Country: United States

sflxn wrote:
Muizen wrote:
sflxn wrote:
After 2 days of using this camera, I hate to say I am not gelling with it. The ergonomics of the camera is really bugging me. There is nothing to grip on. Plus, the lens cap is so small, I find it a little tricky to be sure it's on tight sometimes. I have compared the image quality with that of the 24/1.8 for NEX and can attest to the lens' quality, but I'm not sure I can be happy with this camera. I was using it along with my NEX-7 and Ricoh GR, and the difference in ergonomic was too glaring. I know I can get a grip for it, but man, the NEX-7 and GR are so great ergonomically. I don't believe any grip will ever bring it up to those cameras' ergonomics.

Also, the LCD is extremely dim outside. I have the brightness to max, and I can hardly see anything on it. I have no trouble with the NEX-7's LCD.

As I wrote earlier I have a half case made by Gariz (type XS-CHRX1M) that improves the grip and use of the RX1 considerably. This quality case makes it possible to change cards and battery without removing it.

I also have the EVF permanently attached. It is excellent in viewing quality and there is no need at all to use the LCD when outside. It doesn't add much size to the camera because it is small.

This is a digital camera with the highest image quality on the market and that is the first and most important property a camera should offer. Ergonomics can be improved, a lack of image quality can not!


I've heard mixed reviews of the Gariz case for the RX1. This is specific to the RX1 case. Something about scraping the bottom of the camera or something. Anyway, lack of grip isn't my only ergonomic complaint. The lens cap needs a redesign. I'm not sure if it's just my copy, but the push button on the scroll wheel is unnervingly squishy. If I end up keeping it, I will likely get the EVF. The LCD on my RX1 is absolutely useless outdoors. Again, it may just be my copy. I got it from Amazon's warehouse deals. They claimed 'like new', but I disagree. I might go to Samy's and compare my copy to theirs.

I disagree on the importance of IQ over ergonomics. For me, they are both equal. For a mirrorless camera, it's the best IQ out there, but if you're willing to go beyond mirrorless, then you have the D800(E) and medium format. They have great IQ but terrible ergonomics due to weight and size. If you can't feel good about using the camera, then you're thinking about the handling instead of thinking about the shot.


I agree about the lens cap and ergonomics at eye level IF you are trying to handle the RX1 like other cameras that are larger/ have better grips. With the lens cap, I found the best solution was to either just use a high quality UV filter at all times and/ or use a hood so the front element is not vulnerable. For ergonomics, I found a two handed grip with the left hand underneath supporting the camera the best (with the EVF or a finder atop). Such a grip is both secure and adds stability. I do think you should compare your copy of the RX1 to another as some of the other issues don't sound normal.



rsolti13
Registered: Aug 31, 2009
Total Posts: 3587
Country: United States

I have found the best enhancement to gripping the RX1 is actually a Gordy's wrist strap. A wrist strap gives me the grip I need. I tried the Gariz case and it doesn't come close to using a simple wrist strap.



Jochenb
Registered: May 25, 2010
Total Posts: 1819
Country: Belgium

I also use a Gordy's wrist strap on my RX1 and I like it.



douglasf13
Registered: Apr 09, 2008
Total Posts: 6107
Country: United States

I have a few Gordy's wrist straps, but I find them too thick. I often just use a cheap P&S wrist strap.

slfxn, why not just buy another lens cap?



Tariq Gibran
Registered: Oct 01, 2006
Total Posts: 10840
Country: United States

douglasf13 wrote:
I have a few Gordy's wrist straps, but I find them too thick. I often just use a cheap P&S wrist strap.

slfxn, why not just buy another lens cap?


I just tried a few various style 49mm plastic lens caps - both side and center spring type - and it does not appear they will work on the front of the RX1 bare lens. With a filter on, no issue but without filter, the spring mechanism seems to interfere with the inner ring around the RX1 front lens element. Perhaps there is a specific cap that will work? I don't know.

First thing I tried with the RX1 was a wrist strap but found I much preferred a normal neck strap due to the way I hold the camera (my left hand provides the major support while my right hand needs to be free for operating the controls - just like with certain MF cameras). I think even at eye level, gripping the camera with the left hand from underneath is more comfortable/ natural (for me at least).



ricardovaste
Registered: Jan 25, 2010
Total Posts: 3877
Country: United Kingdom

Muizen wrote:Ergonomics can be improved, a lack of image quality can not!

I think one can easily make an argument either way, and that it just comes down to personal preferences .

For me, absolute "technical image quality" has not been very important to me for a long time. Simply because as an artist, I need to put a lot more into creating an image for it to have value, technical elements almost become irrelevant as long as they're communicative enough. So once a reasonable standard is met, it's almost all about ease of use, enjoyment, ergonomics - which if way below par from the beginning, can only be tweaked so much. If, for example, a camera is terribly small, missing some basic buttons for direct input, makes handling difficult (maybe even painful after some time!), then it would be too much for some and unable to 'improve'. Of course, what we call a reasonable standard in image quality is entirely subjective - but my point is that the creator can always improve (or strive to improve) his vision, technique, timing etc. But the creator cannot physically add buttons, stretch cameras, etc. They can adapt a different technique of sorts, much like a new vision, but for me one is clearly holding back the end goal more than the other .

Just IMO of course.

FWIW this is a general opinion, not specifically about the RX1, for which I haven't handled.



douglasf13
Registered: Apr 09, 2008
Total Posts: 6107
Country: United States

Tariq, I used a couple of different generic caps on my RX1 before my UV filter arrived, and I didn't have any issues.



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