n0b0 wrote:
Mescalamba wrote:
1) learn to read - "certain" doesnt mean "all", and point was more in fact that its stupidly placed button which is in obvious same stupid place on three different cameras from different manufacturers, which means they copied.. and on top of that bad design.

2) http://www.flickr.com/groups/canon_7d_digital_slr/discuss/72157623496964841/

Suuure no banding. DPP is quite decent in covering tracks, but not all want to use it, its decent SW, but lacks quite a lot of stuff that other RAW developers have.

3) Yea EVF will come.. probably as fast as Canon mirrorless came? Sure give it few years.. Only fanboys and stupid ppl will buy this. So Canon can just pray that theres enough of both. Nikon tried same.. it doesnt seem as great success for them either. Tho truth is that x2.7 crop sensor didnt exactly help it either..

1. I can only read so much into a poorly written post. What button are you talking about? Did you mean all their buttons? See how the lack of plural form can throw someone off? As for copying, it's called design convention. Most buttons are placed on the right hand side because cameras are designed for right handed people. If you're left handed, that's too bad.

2. I already showed you the shot from my 7D. Since you can't do the same, I can only assume that you don't have a 7D and you're just parroting what the internet says.

3. You already said Nikon 1 series has a much smaller sensor and yet you also said that Nikon "tried the same"? Epic fail.

To be honest with you, I also think the lack of pop up flash, articulating screen and EVF a turn off, so I won't be buying it either. But that doesn't mean "only fanboys and stupid people" would buy it. I know people have different needs and wants so if this camera does it for them then there's nothing wrong in buying it.

I'll wait until there's at least an EVF and hopefully Canon would sell it soon, just so I can point and laugh at you if nothing else.

Nice example of selective reading. Just read what you want and ignore rest, right? Well, you are obviously lost case of Canon fanboy. Grats to that.

Good luck with waiting for EVF, I think it would be hilarious if they really did that. EVF bolted on hotshoe (= no flash at all) with cable running to that miniHDMI connector. Yea neat solution.

Dont bother with response, cause seriously I dont care if you have something to say or not from now on.

Pixel Perfect wrote:
Mescalamba wrote:

And that wont happen. Cause Canon is late to the party and cause it really doesnt offer anything that competition wouldnt (and havent better). Except that its Canon, but if I dont mind some Canon fanboys, ppl that really wanted mirrorless already have one.. or two or more.

You always say Canon won't do this and that, but you are never usually right. They take their time, too long sometimes, but usually get around to giving us what we want. I get you hate Canon with a vengeance, so why get worked up over it if they never give you what you want, and you never expect them to give you what they want, why not ignore Canon altogether and go with Sony or m4/3?

Example please? Only thing I was wrong so far is that Canon wont make mirrorless in near future. Another might be that I expected them to make something nice, serious and worth it.

I dont hate Canon at all. Im disappointed with them lately a lot, thats all. Recently I was accused that I "push 5DMK3" too much against other cam (D800). Kinda funny how it changes over various parts of this forum.

Ignoring some camera maker is stupid. I dont do that, unfortunately lots of other ppl do, otherwise Canon sales would be much much lower if selling cameras was just about real performance and not brand loyalty (or in some cases blind fanboyism).

Mescalamba wrote:
n0b0 wrote:
Mescalamba wrote:
I want just two things from this.

1) EVF
2) good sensor

And Im pretty sure it wont have it.

Well, my crystal ball says it'll have an EVF mounted on the hotshoe and a pretty good sensor. Let's see whose crystal ball is more accurate.

Seems my crystal ball was correct.

No EVF. No focus peaking (just hope it has at least magnification). No built-in flash (these things are not that useful for flash itself, but can be used for activating another flash). Slow AF. Not exactly great ergonomics (that movie button is serious WTF, like in NEX-7 or NX20 etc. is apparent that certain asian companies cant do anything else than "copy this"). Crappy old sensor (sure same is in 7D, but 7D has quite a bit better AA and CFA, this wont have..).

And costs almost 800 USD.

Good riddance Canon.. Mwhaahaha.



Sounds like you were only half right on this one and the no EVF was obvious from the pics and rumor specs. Nice selective reading on your part. Or are you going to say that the sensor being apsc from the newest canon dslr is a bad sensor?

jctriguy wrote:
Mescalamba wrote:
n0b0 wrote:
Mescalamba wrote:
I want just two things from this.

1) EVF
2) good sensor

And Im pretty sure it wont have it.

Well, my crystal ball says it'll have an EVF mounted on the hotshoe and a pretty good sensor. Let's see whose crystal ball is more accurate.

Seems my crystal ball was correct.

No EVF. No focus peaking (just hope it has at least magnification). No built-in flash (these things are not that useful for flash itself, but can be used for activating another flash). Slow AF. Not exactly great ergonomics (that movie button is serious WTF, like in NEX-7 or NX20 etc. is apparent that certain asian companies cant do anything else than "copy this"). Crappy old sensor (sure same is in 7D, but 7D has quite a bit better AA and CFA, this wont have..).

And costs almost 800 USD.

Good riddance Canon.. Mwhaahaha.



Sounds like you were only half right on this one and the no EVF was obvious from the pics and rumor specs. Nice selective reading on your part. Or are you going to say that the sensor being apsc from the newest canon dslr is a bad sensor?


And only half-right here also: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1134140/0

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/review/digital_cameras/canon/eos_m_interchangeable_lens_camera_preview/431375

kewlcanon wrote:
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/review/digital_cameras/canon/eos_m_interchangeable_lens_camera_preview/431375

That gives a totally different view of the AF system. Curious to see if they were using a different mode compared to the tap to focus that the other previewers are using.

chez wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote:
digitalbug30d wrote:

Canon has their optics to offer...which may very well be better than the compitition,also their sensor prob be more than good enough for most of the target audience...they are aiming directly at Nikon.


I disagree. This shows Nikon is not even a consideration for their competition. Sony is the target this time. Nikon has made a dire mistake with their attempt, but Sony has a very good system. This is a direct competitor to NEX 5N/F3 IMO.

My understanding is the Nikon offering is a great success. Where do you get your info that Nikon made a mistake?

Probably biased by sentiment on these boards, where the paper-specs of the Nikon 1 are undesirable for 'enthusiast photographers' who are oblivious to the needs of the general snap-shooter market, which the Nikon addresses nicely with good picture quality in a very compact system. But I think the Nikon 1 is vulnerable to cameras such as the Sony RX100, assuming it's only the first of its kind.

Mescalamba wrote:
Slow AF.

You should read more: http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/review/digital_cameras/canon/eos_m_interchangeable_lens_camera_preview/431375

An image of the EOS-M attached to an 800L. Lots of other images from outside of the studio settings.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news-gallery/46625/canon-eos-m-review-hands-on/34#image

And the full review as well. http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/46625/canon-eos-m-review-hands-on

rscheffler wrote:
chez wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote:
digitalbug30d wrote:

Canon has their optics to offer...which may very well be better than the compitition,also their sensor prob be more than good enough for most of the target audience...they are aiming directly at Nikon.


I disagree. This shows Nikon is not even a consideration for their competition. Sony is the target this time. Nikon has made a dire mistake with their attempt, but Sony has a very good system. This is a direct competitor to NEX 5N/F3 IMO.

My understanding is the Nikon offering is a great success. Where do you get your info that Nikon made a mistake?

Probably biased by sentiment on these boards, where the paper-specs of the Nikon 1 are undesirable for 'enthusiast photographers' who are oblivious to the needs of the general snap-shooter market, which the Nikon addresses nicely with good picture quality in a very compact system. But I think the Nikon 1 is vulnerable to cameras such as the Sony RX100, assuming it's only the first of its kind.

Not at all, based on what I've gathered from a number of different sites. I personally think it a poor system and grossly overpriced. Maybe at half the price it'd make some sense. I do not see a long term future for it, but that's just my opinion.

Mescalamba wrote: [...]
n0b0 wrote: [...]
Mescalamba wrote: [...] you are obviously lost case of Canon fanboy.[...]

When you have no cogent arguments left you descend to the level of attempted personal insults.

Pixel Perfect wrote:
rscheffler wrote:
chez wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote:
digitalbug30d wrote:

Canon has their optics to offer...which may very well be better than the compitition,also their sensor prob be more than good enough for most of the target audience...they are aiming directly at Nikon.


I disagree. This shows Nikon is not even a consideration for their competition. Sony is the target this time. Nikon has made a dire mistake with their attempt, but Sony has a very good system. This is a direct competitor to NEX 5N/F3 IMO.

My understanding is the Nikon offering is a great success. Where do you get your info that Nikon made a mistake?

Probably biased by sentiment on these boards, where the paper-specs of the Nikon 1 are undesirable for 'enthusiast photographers' who are oblivious to the needs of the general snap-shooter market, which the Nikon addresses nicely with good picture quality in a very compact system. But I think the Nikon 1 is vulnerable to cameras such as the Sony RX100, assuming it's only the first of its kind.

Not at all, based on what I've gathered from a number of different sites. I personally think it a poor system and grossly overpriced. Maybe at half the price it'd make some sense. I do not see a long term future for it, but that's just my opinion.

From Nikon's annual reports they say the Nikon 1 system saved their year that was severely hit by the flooding in Taiwan. It might not be what we Canon folk look for, but I've seen many people out with them when I travel. Seems to deliver a very nice image and focus is lightening fast. I think people moving up from their P&S would be very happy with a Nikon 1.

chez wrote:

From Nikon's annual reports they say the Nikon 1 system saved their year that was severely hit by the flooding in Taiwan. It might not be what we Canon folk look for, but I've seen many people out with them when I travel. Seems to deliver a very nice image and focus is lightening fast. I think people moving up from their P&S would be very happy with a Nikon 1.


I've not seen a single Nikon J1/V1 in public and the discounting is heavy already. Maybe Aussies are the only ones that don't buy them, but all the chatter I hear is m4/3 or NEX and they are the only mirrorless cameras I've noticed and I am always curious to see what people are shooting with. However, for those not using P&S I still see 10x as many people with DSLR's as mirrorless.

All mirrorless cameras get discounted quickly, since they're dirt-cheap to make (they're essentially SLRs with all the expensive bits removed).

The Nikon J1 seems to be doing well at Amazon.co.uk and Amazon.fr. Much less so at Amazon.com, but you'd expect that.

There's a definite market for high-quality cameras that are simple, stylish, and easy to use. Micro Four Thirds and NEX are aimed at people like us, not the market targeted by the Nikon 1 System and Canon EOS M. Nikon and Canon are protecting their SLRs too, of course, but that's only possible because people keep buying them.

What No direct print button

I think some guys will enjoy a better life if they press the "Hide Me" button.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

From TDP:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-M-Camera-Review.aspx

The sensor should be easy to get at and clean.

Pixel Perfect wrote:
chez wrote:

From Nikon's annual reports they say the Nikon 1 system saved their year that was severely hit by the flooding in Taiwan. It might not be what we Canon folk look for, but I've seen many people out with them when I travel. Seems to deliver a very nice image and focus is lightening fast. I think people moving up from their P&S would be very happy with a Nikon 1.


I've not seen a single Nikon J1/V1 in public and the discounting is heavy already. Maybe Aussies are the only ones that don't buy them, but all the chatter I hear is m4/3 or NEX and they are the only mirrorless cameras I've noticed and I am always curious to see what people are shooting with. However, for those not using P&S I still see 10x as many people with DSLR's as mirrorless.

I haven't seen anyone shooting with the Nikon 1's either. Your right about the heavy discounting, you can pick up a J1 10-30 kit for $10 more then a S100 through the HK ebay sellers at the moment! Maybe Nikon will be releasing the predecessors to the V1 and J1 in the coming months.

jctriguy wrote:
Mescalamba wrote:
n0b0 wrote:
Mescalamba wrote:
I want just two things from this.

1) EVF
2) good sensor

And Im pretty sure it wont have it.

Well, my crystal ball says it'll have an EVF mounted on the hotshoe and a pretty good sensor. Let's see whose crystal ball is more accurate.

Seems my crystal ball was correct.

No EVF. No focus peaking (just hope it has at least magnification). No built-in flash (these things are not that useful for flash itself, but can be used for activating another flash). Slow AF. Not exactly great ergonomics (that movie button is serious WTF, like in NEX-7 or NX20 etc. is apparent that certain asian companies cant do anything else than "copy this"). Crappy old sensor (sure same is in 7D, but 7D has quite a bit better AA and CFA, this wont have..).

And costs almost 800 USD.

Good riddance Canon.. Mwhaahaha.



Sounds like you were only half right on this one and the no EVF was obvious from the pics and rumor specs. Nice selective reading on your part. Or are you going to say that the sensor being apsc from the newest canon dslr is a bad sensor?


Kidding right? Its 3 years old sensor from 2009, first used in 7D (tho that one in EOS-M pretty surely doesnt have that good CFA or AA). Not exactly competition to Sony 16 mpix APS-C .. or even that m4/3 in OM-D EM-5.