Fujifilm X-mount Image Thread
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tardegardo
Registered: Jan 26, 2013
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Yes. That seemed strange to me too. I did more tests. Same result. On my 'old' e-p3 it shines...
I might think it's the adapter, but, don't know, I'm skeptic about it.



tardegardo
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He's got also a 24mm fd 2.8 I could try on both cameras.
Same result. Micro4/3 wins hands down.



sebboh
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tardegardo wrote:
He's got also a 24mm fd 2.8 I could try on both cameras.
Same result. Micro4/3 wins hands down.


in the center? that's super weird, are you sure you're nailing focus with the fuji?

otherwise i guess it must be down to sensor toppings and maybe the non-bayer array.



tardegardo
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I have no idea of the bayer array is. But I am pretty sure I nailed focus. I cannot have missed it all the times...
The kit lens is super sharp of course...



carstenw
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How are you focusing adapted lenses?



turbodude
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carstenw wrote:
How are you focusing adapted lenses?



Manual focus only



naturephoto1
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turbodude wrote:
carstenw wrote:
How are you focusing adapted lenses?



Manual focus only


I think what Carsten may be asking is are you using the magnification set at maximum of 10X to check focus on the X-E1 and preferably for the camera to be mounted on a tripod to assure no movement.

Rich



BokehBeauty
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Well, nothing sensational. I just wanted to share my surprise how well the built-in panorama function of the X-E1 works. The function on the X100 gave me vertical banding - even on manual exposure if I remember right.







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carstenw
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naturephoto1 wrote:
turbodude wrote:
carstenw wrote:
How are you focusing adapted lenses?



Manual focus only


I think what Carsten may be asking is are you using the magnification set at maximum of 10X to check focus on the X-E1 and preferably for the camera to be mounted on a tripod to assure no movement.

Rich


Yes, I mean do you use live view, zoom, peaking, sliding images, or what feature?



turbodude
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carstenw wrote:
naturephoto1 wrote:
turbodude wrote:
carstenw wrote:
How are you focusing adapted lenses?



Manual focus only


I think what Carsten may be asking is are you using the magnification set at maximum of 10X to check focus on the X-E1 and preferably for the camera to be mounted on a tripod to assure no movement.

Rich


Yes, I mean do you use live view, zoom, peaking, sliding images, or what feature?


i use my eye to the EVF.

i used to shoot film so i can generally see when something is in focus. hand held. my xe1 is my personal cam, not really used too much for work, so i get to experiment alot.



tardegardo
Registered: Jan 26, 2013
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turbodude wrote:
carstenw wrote:
naturephoto1 wrote:
turbodude wrote:
carstenw wrote:
How are you focusing adapted lenses?



Manual focus only


I think what Carsten may be asking is are you using the magnification set at maximum of 10X to check focus on the X-E1 and preferably for the camera to be mounted on a tripod to assure no movement.

Rich


Yes, I mean do you use live view, zoom, peaking, sliding images, or what feature?


i use my eye to the EVF.

i used to shoot film so i can generally see when something is in focus. hand held. my xe1 is my personal cam, not really used too much for work, so i get to experiment alot.


Turbo, the question was for me I guess…
Yes, I use live view and max magnification; no tripod though since I don't have one.
But I doubt that I missed focus all the times i tested the lenses on x-e1.
And always nailed it on e-p3….



carstenw
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I know it doesn't sound likely, but the E-P3 has a higher pixel density in the centre than the X-E1, so if the lens can be sharp on the E-P3, it should also be sharp on the Fuji. And you say that the Fuji kit lens is very sharp on the X-E1, so the camera itself has no problems with sharpness.

It seems that the problem *must* be focus, somehow. Have you tried focus bracketing?

Or it could be processing. Maybe the E-P3 processes stronger than the Fuji?



justruss
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Is sharpness being tested w/ sensor size/resolution normalized? You know, the whole debate about comparing different sensor sizes/resolutions at 100%-- or not, depending on application.

That said, some lens-camera-sensor combinations don't necessarily shine. I've stopped using my Tammy SP 17mm on my XE because I didn't like the look, and it seemed mushy/watercolor heavy compared to everything else-- though this lens is great on my 5d2. And my FL 55 1.2 is like magic on the XE.



tardegardo
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carstenw wrote:
I know it doesn't sound likely, but the E-P3 has a higher pixel density in the centre than the X-E1, so if the lens can be sharp on the E-P3, it should also be sharp on the Fuji. And you say that the Fuji kit lens is very sharp on the X-E1, so the camera itself has no problems with sharpness.

It seems that the problem *must* be focus, somehow. Have you tried focus bracketing?

Or it could be processing. Maybe the E-P3 processes stronger than the Fuji?



I don't honestly think it's about processing, cameras are both set at standard processing levels;
and I never tried focus bracketing (don't even know how to get it yet).
I'll try it later on.



tardegardo
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justruss wrote:
Is sharpness being tested w/ sensor size/resolution normalized? You know, the whole debate about comparing different sensor sizes/resolutions at 100%-- or not, depending on application.

That said, some lens-camera-sensor combinations don't necessarily shine. I've stopped using my Tammy SP 17mm on my XE because I didn't like the look, and it seemed mushy/watercolor heavy compared to everything else-- though this lens is great on my 5d2. And my FL 55 1.2 is like magic on the XE.


What do you mean with "normalized".
I shot them both super fine jpegs (or how they call it).



tardegardo
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here is a very quick and rudimentary test, placed camera on table, and focus zone varies too,
first one is a 100% crop shot with e-p3 iso 200:

first shot

second one is our fuji, same iso, same speed I guess, same aperture.

second

Please note that e-p3 was hand held, but it has some in body image stabilization.
Note also that I've had to get closer with fuji camera in order to get similar FOV as e-p3, of course,
and I don't know if this actually affects resolution and sharpness.

E-p3 shot seems pretty much sharper to me….



Jman13
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Well, the Fuji shot will have a stop less depth of field dut to the closer distance.



tardegardo
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Jman13 wrote:
Well, the Fuji shot will have a stop less depth of field dut to the closer distance.


Yes, of course…
have you seen the shots?
Isn't the e-p3's pretty sharper?



Jman13
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I'm looking on my iPad right now, so it may be hard to definitively say, but they look similar, but with higher contrast on the EP3. What are the JPEG sharpening settings?



Velu01
Registered: Aug 24, 2003
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ddjohns1 wrote:
Brody LeBlanc wrote:
f.hayek wrote:
Funny, I tried the XE-1 yesterday for the first time and it didn't seem that the EVF without focus peaking or other focus assist would lend itself to accurate MF. Do elaborate, please, if you don't mind...


I was specifically referring to the XE-1 being better for alt. glass over the X-Pro1 due to the higher resolution EVF.
With the 3x focus peaking, using manual focus glass is a breeze. At least for me it is.



With an additional click turn on the dial the EVF goes to 10x magnification, which is fantastic. (They should do a version that goes to 11 for Spinal Tap fans.)


10x magnification results in a rather shaky image, especially with longer lenses but off course it helps.

But being unable to lock your exposure while using manual lenses is an issue. The only way to lock exposure is by pressing the shutter button halfway but that enables the 3X/10X focus peaking !



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