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Kit Laughlin
Registered: Mar 08, 2004
Total Posts: 3520
Country: Australia

Carsten wrote:

I went back to the Sony store and specifically tested the NEX-6 and NEX-7 viewfinders side by side, and the NEX-6 EVF is significantly better, primarily because it has a much higher refresh rate. The NEX-7 EVF couldn't keep up with people's legs while walking, and had a kind of strobe effect (not much light may have exacerbated this). The NEX-6 was fluid.

This is completely accurate in my personal experience; I sent my first NEX 7 back because it was absurdly sensitive to eye placement and I was not able to obtain a sharp view through the EVF no matter what I tried with the diopter and jpeg settings. When I say "sensitive" I mean one had to position one's shooting eye in the absolute centre of the EVF to get a clear picture. The second one was identical, and I was never able to look comfortably through its EVF and this was the reason I sold it.

Now, I am using a pair of NEX 6s, and their EVFs are excellent. I tend to ignore specs and use a camera until I either like it overall, or sell it (like many others here!). I was concerned about the NEX 6 EVF for exactly the reasons others have offered, that it was the same specs as the NEX 7; they may be on paper, but in use are substantially different.

If anyone is interested in how I use the NEX 6 bodies for stills and video (I need both capacities when working on the road, which is most of the time now; just back from Vancouver yesterday), I have been blogging on this. I saw that someone was criticised for just posting a link to their blog, so please ignore the links below if you are in that camp!

Cheers, KL

Why the NEX 6 is the best compromise stills/video camera presently (http://wp.me/p1QR8D-3B)

and

Revisiting the Sony NEX 6 as a dual function (stills and video) device (http://wp.me/p1QR8D-6m)



teraflame
Registered: Nov 17, 2008
Total Posts: 190
Country: United States

I bought the 5n EVF recently but there is a big problem with it. The eyepiece is atrociously useless, lots of purple reflections; I can see more clearly taking it off. Is there a replacement eyepiece that would be better? Or diy solution?



Phillip Reeve
Registered: Sep 17, 2011
Total Posts: 1482
Country: Germany

teraflame wrote:
I bought the 5n EVF recently but there is a big problem with it. The eyepiece is atrociously useless, lots of purple reflections; I can see more clearly taking it off. Is there a replacement eyepiece that would be better? Or diy solution?

There is a much nicer one for the RX1 "ET Eye Cup Soft RX1 X25859391" which reportedly fits nicely for the 5n's EVF as well. The problem seems to be to buy one.



mortyb
Registered: Feb 15, 2009
Total Posts: 1361
Country: Norway

Jacob D wrote:
Anyone here find a fisheye lens that you like for the NEX? I've been considering the Rokinon. The size is the only hold up for me right now.


Samyang/Rokinon 8/2.8 is brilliant. Utterly impressed with its IQ, esp. clarity.



lumis beans
Registered: Mar 15, 2007
Total Posts: 211
Country: United States

teraflame wrote:
I bought the 5n EVF recently but there is a big problem with it. The eyepiece is atrociously useless, lots of purple reflections; I can see more clearly taking it off. Is there a replacement eyepiece that would be better? Or diy solution?


This guy seriously gets into it. Part 1 of 5:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6PL-ZSU6e4

How is the 5n EVF compared to the NEX-6? Any appreciable difference?



mawz
Registered: Sep 11, 2005
Total Posts: 7710
Country: Canada

lumis beans wrote:
How is the 5n EVF compared to the NEX-6? Any appreciable difference?


Whole new world when you go to the 6. Better refresh, less sensitive to eye position, far less issues with shadow blocking or excessive contrast. The 5n shares the 7's EVF optics and support electronics which means that the 6 is a whole lot better despite using the same basic panel.



lumis beans
Registered: Mar 15, 2007
Total Posts: 211
Country: United States

The NEX-6 body dropped by $100 at all the majors (Amazon, Adorama, and B&H) overnight.

B&H's note claims the $100 saving end on June 22.

I believe this applies to the kit, too.



freaklikeme
Registered: Apr 08, 2005
Total Posts: 5659
Country: United States

Is anyone using the 5r? I'm in possession of one (however temporarily) and can't find the display screen that has the meter on it. I found the histogram, but you can't use that and the level at the same time.

I was looking forward to using this camera because of the addition of the nav wheel, but after thirty minutes of menu diving and a thorough reading of the manual, in which it's pointed out that the nav wheel and multi-d pad control aperture and shutter depending on which shooting mode you're in but failing to point out which mode has them set which way, I figured out that shutter priority moves the shutter speed to the nav dial. Otherwise, it's aperture. Why are we not allowed to control that assignment? Ridiculous. I also seem to remember the 5n buttons being much more configurable. On the r, you can assign certain menu-driven items like shooting mode, AF mode, metering mode to the function button, and on the lower soft key, you can assign one of a few functions (like MF assist). Maybe I'm just remembering the customization nightmare of setting up the 7, but I thought the 5n was pretty flexible too. The r needs a firmware fix. Or do I have to buy an app?

That said, the files are just as great as those from the 5n. Unfortunately, being just as great, adding a wheel but dictating how it gets used, flaky wifi, and removing options doesn't make for much of an upgrade.



freaklikeme
Registered: Apr 08, 2005
Total Posts: 5659
Country: United States

I've been looking into getting an NEX converted for monochrome and have gotten responses from LifePixel and Maxmax, so I thought I'd share in case anyone else is interested.

Lifepixel has no interest in trying it, stating that they consider the Bayer filter to be part of the sensor itself, but they'll happily remove the AA filter for you on an NEX-7.

Maxmax's response was much more positive. They've already converted an NEX-5 successfully and will likely try a 7 when they get time. The only downside is that, if they move forward with it, you will have to buy the camera from them. They won't taking the risk of trying to convert a user's camera.



sebboh
Registered: Nov 02, 2009
Total Posts: 10299
Country: United States

freaklikeme wrote:
I've been looking into getting an NEX converted for monochrome and have gotten responses from LifePixel and Maxmax, so I thought I'd share in case anyone else is interested.

Lifepixel has no interest in trying it, stating that they consider the Bayer filter to be part of the sensor itself, but they'll happily remove the AA filter for you on an NEX-7.

Maxmax's response was much more positive. They've already converted an NEX-5 successfully and will likely try a 7 when they get time. The only downside is that, if they move forward with it, you will have to buy the camera from them. They won't taking the risk of trying to convert a user's camera.


interesting, did they give you an estimate on how much they would charge? i was just going to for IR conversion to get my b&w only camera, i'm honestly not sure which i'd prefer.



freaklikeme
Registered: Apr 08, 2005
Total Posts: 5659
Country: United States

sebboh wrote:
freaklikeme wrote:
I've been looking into getting an NEX converted for monochrome and have gotten responses from LifePixel and Maxmax, so I thought I'd share in case anyone else is interested.

Lifepixel has no interest in trying it, stating that they consider the Bayer filter to be part of the sensor itself, but they'll happily remove the AA filter for you on an NEX-7.

Maxmax's response was much more positive. They've already converted an NEX-5 successfully and will likely try a 7 when they get time. The only downside is that, if they move forward with it, you will have to buy the camera from them. They won't taking the risk of trying to convert a user's camera.


interesting, did they give you an estimate on how much they would charge? i was just going to for IR conversion to get my b&w only camera, i'm honestly not sure which i'd prefer.


No mention of potential price in the e-mail. I don't think they've gotten that far, but I'm guessing it won't be cheap. They're selling converted 3Ti's and 4Ti's for over 4x's the market value and a little less than 3x's what they retailed for at launch. A 5D3 will run you $6550, or you can get a 5D2 for a grand less. So it's kind of hard to tell where the NEX-7 will land if they decide to produce it. 1.8-3k, maybe?

Maxmax does offer all of the above in visible light, IR, or UV only configs, or you can have all three (or you can get them with an H-Alpha filter for astro) so I assume the product offering would be the same for the 7.

Maybe we should get a e-mail campaign going to Sony asking them to produce a Bayer-less, AA-less special edition of the 7. Two people asking for that should be enough, right?



ken.vs.ryu
Registered: Apr 24, 2005
Total Posts: 3468
Country: N/A

Anyone else sticking with the nex-7 series and avoiding any nex-ff thread? Not sure if I can justify the 4x premium + new lenses.



ulrikft2
Registered: Oct 21, 2009
Total Posts: 2097
Country: Norway

ken.vs.ryu wrote:
Anyone else sticking with the nex-7 series and avoiding any nex-ff thread? Not sure if I can justify the 4x premium + new lenses.


I'm going to jump on the (or, back to the) FF-circus as soon as it arrives. But I'll keep my nex-7.



fracas
Registered: Nov 07, 2010
Total Posts: 375
Country: Italy

ulrikft2 wrote:

I'm going to jump on the (or, back to the) FF-circus as soon as it arrives.

same for me...and I will keep my NEX-6.

One question for you about NEX-6 AF. After I focus and release the shutter button, I noticed the AF refocus automatically every few secs even in AF-S mode... is there a way to stop this behaviour?

Thanks
francesco



morpheus2891
Registered: Feb 05, 2006
Total Posts: 800
Country: United States

+1 will keep the NEX-6 for tele work and a backup but I'll get the FF body as soon as I've got enough $$ saved up and it's at the top of my savings list


ulrikft2 wrote:
ken.vs.ryu wrote:
Anyone else sticking with the nex-7 series and avoiding any nex-ff thread? Not sure if I can justify the 4x premium + new lenses.


I'm going to jump on the (or, back to the) FF-circus as soon as it arrives. But I'll keep my nex-7.



sebboh
Registered: Nov 02, 2009
Total Posts: 10299
Country: United States

ken.vs.ryu wrote:
Anyone else sticking with the nex-7 series and avoiding any nex-ff thread? Not sure if I can justify the 4x premium + new lenses.


keep your old lenses and wait 6 months to a year to get a used camera from one of the early adopters.

i love my nex-7, but the idea of using my lenses on their native format is too enticing to pass up. for what it's worth, the sensor in the rx1 blows away the one in the nex-7 as far as noise goes at both high and low iso. dynamic range and color wise the difference is smaller, but still there.



Taylor Sherman
Registered: Mar 26, 2012
Total Posts: 1088
Country: United States

Yep. Native format is why I want FF; the lower noise floor will help me get over the cost.



joekraft
Registered: Apr 19, 2006
Total Posts: 3105
Country: United States

It's funny how opinions change over time. I think the image quality of the nex-6 is usually at least as good if not better in many regards than what comes out of my 1DsII, at least as far as noise etc. is concerned. I am not a pro in any regard, but also won't be clamoring for a FF nex to address my unhappiness with noise in my humble 6. Maybe if I was using a newer DSLR I'd feel differently.



morpheus2891
Registered: Feb 05, 2006
Total Posts: 800
Country: United States

At least for me, noise isn't the reason to get an FF NEX. The reason for me would be to have a small camera that is (fairly) easily compatible with many lenses and which gives the FF look to my lenses which were designed for FF (like the 35/1.4 distagon). If I was unhappy with the NEX-6 I wouldn't plan on keeping it after getting the FF NEX



Jeff Kott
Registered: Oct 12, 2008
Total Posts: 1156
Country: United States

A big part of my decision whether to get a FF Nex will be based on size and ergonomics of the new camera and lenses. I originally moved from Nikon and Pentax to Nex in an effort to have a more compact system. I won't mind large lenses for the FF Nex if it works well with my compact RF lenses, but if the native lenses are large and I can't adapt RF lenses, I'll probably stick with APS-C Nexs or maybe consider a GXR replacement if it ever comes out.

I guess a more succinct way to say it is that I'd love to have the advantages of the FF sensor, but not if I have to pay too much of a penalty in size and portability of the system.



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