Camperjim wrote:
The idea of faking that can then become cheating.
Yeah, I pretty much feel the same about my \"trophy shots\" ... they gotta be real or they don\'t count.
It just isn\'t the same thing to go over land & stream to find Bambi nestled in a bed of grass, or a Bald Eagle gliding along a ridge, as it is to use a picture from the petting zoo or bird sanctuary to PS into the scene. Judiciously and skillfully adding in an insignificant/mundane element like a couple of blackbirds or white fluffy\'s (no trophy there) to an empty sky to help balance it for our viewer (non-trophy message) ... two very different things for me.
+1 @ subtle distinction
+1 @ the effort doesn\'t always translate / transfer to the viewer.
Camperjim wrote:I send a message to the viewer that I was at a nice place and made a nice image. Instead I should be creating an image which invites the viewer in and makes them feel like they want to be a part of viewing the scene. That is a subtle distinction but a distinction that seems to be very important.
In both regards, there is a message being sent to the viewer ... nicely presented.
I wouldn\'t necessarily say that we {i}SHOULD be doing the latter moreover than the former. But, as you\'ve mentioned, it is a subtle distinction and one that I think we need to be honest with ourselves at what our true objectives are. I think we cause ourselves some angst when we do one, then expect an outcome as though we had done the other. So, if our objective is more for the latter, then it probably is reasonable to approach it as such ... and if it happens to be that a viewer (self or others) is able to see BOTH messages, those are the really special ones.
Camperjim wrote:
The idea of faking that can then become cheating.
Yeah, I pretty much feel the same about my \"trophy shots\" ... they gotta be real or they don\'t count.
It just isn\'t the same thing to go over land & stream to find Bambi nestled in a bed of grass, or a Bald Eagle gliding along a ridge, as it is to use a picture from the petting zoo or bird sanctuary to PS into the scene. Adding in an insignificant/mundane element like a couple blackbirds or white fluffy\'s (no trophy there) to an empty sky to help balance it for our viewer (non-trophy message) ... two very different things for me.
+1 @ subtle distinction
+1 @ the effort doesn\'t always translate / transfer to the viewer.
Camperjim wrote:I send a message to the viewer that I was at a nice place and made a nice image. Instead I should be creating an image which invites the viewer in and makes them feel like they want to be a part of viewing the scene. That is a subtle distinction but a distinction that seems to be very important.
In both regards, there is a message being sent to the viewer ... nicely presented.
I wouldn\'t necessarily say that we {i}SHOULD be doing the latter moreover than the former. But, as you\'ve mentioned, it is a subtle distinction and one that I think we need to be honest with ourselves at what our true objectives are. I think we cause ourselves some angst when we do one, then expect an outcome as though we had done the other. So, if our objective is more for the latter, then it probably is reasonable to approach it as such ... and if it happens to be that a viewer (self or others) is able to see BOTH messages, those are the really special ones.
Dec 14, 2012 at 10:34 AM
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