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deshojo Offline Image Upload: On Registered: Dec 02, 2005 Total Posts: 251 Country: United Kingdom Re: 85mm vs 85mm Oh dear me, what happened to everyone's sense of humour? "cheap Christmas turkey it is (cue Dr.Evil type laughter)." Maybe I should have included a big smiley face to further emphasise that I wasn't actually being serious. Ah well... Dec 05, 2007 at 10:36 PM

cogitech Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Apr 20, 2005 Total Posts: 6758 Country: Canada Re: 85mm vs 85mm I did get a chuckle out of your wording earlier, but then I realized that the lens itself is not funny in any way and the only thing cheap about it is the price. The turkey reference is funny in a Monty Python sort of way. I don't think anyone is really offended or anything. Dec 05, 2007 at 11:03 PM

Tariq Gibran Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Oct 01, 2006 Total Posts: 1498 Country: United States Re: 85mm vs 85mm It must be that dry English humor, which I'm actually very fond of. It just sneaks up on you before you know it. I must pay more attention I guess. Dec 06, 2007 at 12:56 AM

deshojo Offline Image Upload: On Registered: Dec 02, 2005 Total Posts: 251 Country: United Kingdom Re: 85mm vs 85mm Well, quite often even English people don't realise I'm joking about something unless they know me well, so I suppose I should be a bit more obvious when posting on forums where you can't see my smile. I didn't mean to upset anyone, I was just teasing. Anyway, I've actually read so many good reports about the 85mm f1.8 that I've nearly bought one myself on a couple of ocassions. It would be nice to have fast AF in a light and compact portrait lens, and it seems the combination of good IQ, lightening fast AF and bargain price, make it an almost "must have" lens. Maybe I'll give it a go. Dec 06, 2007 at 11:07 AM

phuang3 Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Feb 09, 2005 Total Posts: 392 Country: United States Re: 85mm vs 85mm Tariq Gibran wrote: I would put my sample of the Canon 1.8 up against the Cantax 1.4 any day. I did so against a Leica 90mm Elmarit R and the Leica surprisingly was outlassed by my cheap Christmas turkey of a lens. Color rendition was the same, the Canon was sharper with better Bokeh. The two areas the Leica was obviously better was in distortion and of course build. I'm sure against the Contax, the Contax would have more contrast and punchier color but loose out in the creamy Bokeh department and actual resolution. A good sample of the Canon 85 1.8 is a very fine lens. I goy my cheap christmas turkey for only three month, then I sold it. All I can remember is that Canon may be sharp but has low micro contrast and strong purple fringing. 85L, on the other hand, is more contrasy and better CA control as the 90 Elmarit. The later is one of the best 90mm Leica ever produced, next to 90 APO. Dec 06, 2007 at 11:27 AM

Airborne_ Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: May 20, 2006 Total Posts: 127 Country: Germany Re: 85mm vs 85mm Tariq Gibran wrote: I think I need to invest in the Hasselblad-Canon adapter myself to see just what my 80mm 2.8 CF planar looks like on my 5D per your earlier remark. I am very interested in the results too. Has this already been tested on other bodies? Hubsand may be? Dec 06, 2007 at 12:00 PM

Tariq Gibran Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Oct 01, 2006 Total Posts: 1498 Country: United States Re: 85mm vs 85mm Unfortunately, that may be the infamous Canon sample variation at work. I have read about the CA issue with the 85 1.8 but it just does not show up with mine, even in the backlit situations that reportedly it should show up. Micro contrast is not at the Zeiss level but then what other brands are. I did expect the Leica Elmarit to show improved micro contrast over the Canon and it did not to my surprise. phuang3 wrote: Tariq Gibran wrote: I would put my sample of the Canon 1.8 up against the Cantax 1.4 any day. I did so against a Leica 90mm Elmarit R and the Leica surprisingly was outlassed by my cheap Christmas turkey of a lens. Color rendition was the same, the Canon was sharper with better Bokeh. The two areas the Leica was obviously better was in distortion and of course build. I'm sure against the Contax, the Contax would have more contrast and punchier color but loose out in the creamy Bokeh department and actual resolution. A good sample of the Canon 85 1.8 is a very fine lens. I goy my cheap christmas turkey for only three month, then I sold it. All I can remember is that Canon may be sharp but has low micro contrast and strong purple fringing. 85L, on the other hand, is more contrasy and better CA control as the 90 Elmarit. The later is one of the best 90mm Leica ever produced, next to 90 APO. Dec 06, 2007 at 01:08 PM

Tariq Gibran Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Oct 01, 2006 Total Posts: 1498 Country: United States Re: 85mm vs 85mm I have never seen an actual test but have seen images with this combination posted in the Alternative Images Forum which looked impressive. Airborne_ wrote: Tariq Gibran wrote: I think I need to invest in the Hasselblad-Canon adapter myself to see just what my 80mm 2.8 CF planar looks like on my 5D per your earlier remark. I am very interested in the results too. Has this already been tested on other bodies? Hubsand may be? Dec 06, 2007 at 01:10 PM

StevenPA Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Jan 05, 2004 Total Posts: 2181 Country: Korea, South Re: 85mm vs 85mm phuang3 wrote: I goy my cheap christmas turkey for only three month, then I sold it. All I can remember is that Canon may be sharp but has low micro contrast and strong purple fringing. I was hoping someone would bring this up. The 85/1.8 does everything so well, fast USM focus, small size, bright aperture, everything except produce pleasing results. I've never had huge problems with the purple fringing, but the contrast stinks and I can't get the lens to produce pleasing tones or gradations, like the softness of skin or anything else with fine gradations and subtle tones. It's just flat. But the resolution is there, so people (if that's what I'm shooting) end up looking very artificial: flat skin tones and razor sharp jaw lines. But I still keep it. Why I don't know. Probably because it's good at everything else, and when you need fast AF and brightness, it's really a nice lens to use. I've never owned the 85L, but I've used it in shops, and it seems to have the resolution *and* the contrast. Dec 06, 2007 at 01:29 PM

jay tieger Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Oct 11, 2006 Total Posts: 618 Country: United States Re: 85mm vs 85mm Any thoughts on the 85mm Nikkors?,,,the 1.8 is supposed to be even sharper than the F:2 which I have and like. Dec 07, 2007 at 02:39 AM

EltonTeng Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Mar 21, 2005 Total Posts: 1812 Country: United States Re: 85mm vs 85mm StevenPA wrote: phuang3 wrote: I goy my cheap christmas turkey for only three month, then I sold it. All I can remember is that Canon may be sharp but has low micro contrast and strong purple fringing. I was hoping someone would bring this up. The 85/1.8 does everything so well, fast USM focus, small size, bright aperture, everything except produce pleasing results. I've never had huge problems with the purple fringing, but the contrast stinks and I can't get the lens to produce pleasing tones or gradations, like the softness of skin or anything else with fine gradations and subtle tones. It's just flat. But the resolution is there, so people (if that's what I'm shooting) end up looking very artificial: flat skin tones and razor sharp jaw lines. But I still keep it. Why I don't know. Probably because it's good at everything else, and when you need fast AF and brightness, it's really a nice lens to use. I've never owned the 85L, but I've used it in shops, and it seems to have the resolution *and* the contrast. Steven I agree with you on the 85/1.8. The term I've used is "sterile" images with this lens - not at all disparaging it. Dec 07, 2007 at 03:30 AM

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