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What gear would you take? I am planning a trip this summer. We are driving into the park each day so I will be able to take the whole kitchen sink. I have the following

sigma 10-20
Tam 17-50
Tam 28-75
Can 85 1.8

I don't have a tripod or something to go long w/. What would be your suggestions?


May 01, 2007 at 11:54 PM
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RMNP = Rocky Mountain National Park ???


May 02, 2007 at 12:02 AM
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I was in RMNP last fall and had a great time. This was late September during the elk rut so my guess is that the elk were a bit more accessible vs the summer, but they still should be pretty easy to find. I would recommend bringing a Canon 100-400 IS if you can afford it. The flexibility is great and if you stop it down just a bit, the quality is very good. If that is more than you want to spend then the Canon 70-300 IS might be a good choice since it too has IS. I highly recommend IS for handheld shooting.

Good luck and have a great trip!


May 02, 2007 at 12:09 AM
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I second what Patrick recommended: you need a longer lens for many of the animals, and one with image stabilization will be hand-holdable in most of the lighting situations that you will encounter.

May 02, 2007 at 12:46 AM
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I live about 25 miles from RMNP, and spend A LOT of time there so I've got some recommendations for you.

For simplicity, I'd take the Tamron 17-50 and 85 1.8. I've got the Tamron 28-75, and it works great but just isn't wide enough for the landscape shots that are mandatory. I think the best two lens setup would be a 17-50 and a 70-200 (you'll need reach for wildlife often), but if you don't have a big lens you can get buy.

I use the wide a lot more than the bigger zoom, but the big zooms are nice to have when the opportunities arrive.

But my biggest suggestion to you would be to get out on the trails and see the "off the road" stuff in the park. RMNP is, in my opinion, somewhat underwhelming from the road but really shows its true beauty when you get into the backcountry stuff.

I'd recommend Mills Lake, Bear/Dream/Nymph (one trip) and Chasm Lake (if you are up for a stringent hike).


May 02, 2007 at 12:46 AM
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Did I mention my wife will be 5 mo pregnant? So it is main road stuff and little excursions. I have $1500 to spend, but that would be for everything (ie tripod, tc, etc)

May 02, 2007 at 01:06 AM
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I live next door too. Bear Lake, Dream Lake, Alberta Falls ARE short hikes from the trailhead, your looking at 1/3 -2 miles maybe. They now have shuttle buses that leave from a parking lot (Glacier Basin) so you can't work from your car for the most part... be prepared to get on a bus with your kit. Sometimes crowded, sometimes almost empty, depends. You CAN drive to Moraine Park and thence hike the Fern Lake trail, flat and dusty.

Bear Lake trail is easy, flat and even paved. But it is at 9000+ feet and you will tire easily unless you live above sea level. Most trails are VERY dusty. The humidity is low, except sometimes in summer. So be prepared for sensor dust if wind picks up while lens changing on a trail.

When you get to Bear Lake elevation or higher do not use a laptop or a PSD. Hard drives are not rated to work above 9000-10000 feet...they use air as a bearing when spinning.

Here is an alternative I might suggest and you can use your car the whole way and get great views...go over Trail Ridge Road instead. .head straight for the road that goes right over the Divide, goes up to 12,182 feet and is the only place in 48 states AFAIK that has tundra (bring your Macro). Descend through Tundra Curves and Rock Cut, see the 5000 foot drop off at Rainbow Curve, Many Peaks Curve, rest at the Alpine Visitor center, then go down to where the Colorado River starts, the Divide, and then to Grand Lake. If you go farther you come to Lake Granby which is Colorado's largest lake.

If you take this route you will see drop off vistas, tundra, tops of mountains, a glacier or two maybe, twisted gnarled dwarf trees near treeline, Marmots if you're patient, chipmonks begging for food everywhere, Elk farther on down (you can even find those in Estes Park the nearest town to RMNP), Beaver maybe 8500 feet or so.

You will have to drive carefully around the curves. If you get dizzy above 10000 feet descend quickly. Have lots of water. Walk slowly. The weather can change in a minute no exageration, so bring a jacket, rain pants, etc even in summer.

Do not get close to the Elk. I see people standing 15 feet away from them with p&s cameras...they can damage you easily if frighted.

And please do not walk on the tundra, it takes 100 years for it to recover- stay on the paved paths.

I always type too much info...anyway, have a good time and have some of that wonderful taffy in Estes Park.


May 02, 2007 at 02:28 AM
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You could always rent some big glass in Denver for the week up in RMNP like a 400 f2.8 or 600 f4.

Take old fall river road up to trail ridge road and stop along the way. A couple good waterfalls right off the road. Should be a good year for wildflowers in late June & July.


May 02, 2007 at 02:56 AM
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The typical scenics can be done from 20mm -> ~65mm full frame. The 10-20 & 17-50 you have will be fine. You might consider a tripod if you want to shoot at sunrise. If you want to shoot wildlife buy as long a lens as you can. 70-300 IS is good and cheap but the extra reach of the 100-400 may be worth it.

May 02, 2007 at 03:20 AM
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Trail Ridge Road will be undergoing some construction this Summer. Not closed but possible delays.

http://www.nps.gov/romo/index.htm


May 02, 2007 at 03:29 AM
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I spend a ton of time in RMNP. There's a bunch of stuff accessible from the road, but a lot of the hikes are where you're going to really see the beauty. Explore a lot. PM me and I'll tell you where there's an old indian village (with some teepee's still standing).

Go get yourself a Bogen tripod and a Sigma 70-200 2.8 with a 1.4x or 2x adapter. I own it and love it. I didn't want to spend the money on the Canon L and I'm really happy with the Sigma.

Just remember in the Summer the Elk and Moose are up high, go over trail ridge and you're sure to see some beautiful animals. Head into Granby and you'll probably see moose and maybe a bear. Also, take the back park entrance (out of Estes Park). There is usually a group of bulls that hang out in the trees right off the road. You're going to want the low light lense and the distance for the elk.

f you play golf the course is beautiful and there's a ton of animals along the course.

One more recommendation and then I'll stop rambling. Buy yourself a good backpack to put your equipment in. PM me if you have any questions


May 02, 2007 at 03:59 AM
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The Canon 300mm f/4L IS USM is super SHARP goes down to 4-5ft for macro . and has IS and 2 Modes of IS one for panning. Around $1100. This Wolf is from 75ft away at f/4 mode 1 wide open WOLF This 50 yards. This is Mode 2 Canadian Goose

May 02, 2007 at 06:21 AM
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I'd leave one of the Tamrons at home.

May 02, 2007 at 11:15 AM
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Take the 10-22, 17-50, 85, and look into getting a used 100-400IS or even renting one. Used prices are in the $1200- $1250 range, and you can probably rent for about $60 a week (rentglass.com). You could get by without the tripod because of the IS, but you should have enough for a bogen 3021 and 486RC2 ballhead (~ $200).

You might also consider letting one of the tammys go, that is a lot of overlap and you've got cash tied up in them. I had both for a while, and eventually let the 28-75 go. It was a sad day, but it allowed me to upgrade to my 400/5.6. My 400 makes me happy enough that I am not sad any more about letting the 28-75 go.


May 02, 2007 at 12:20 PM
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I'll echo some comments made earlier. Get a tripod and rent or buy a 100-400 IS. Check out www.rentglass.com for rentals and also their used glass for sale. They've got a couple of used 100-400 and 300 F4 IS lenses for sales at a good price. They have a good return policy. I've bought a couple of their used lenses and the actual condition was much better than I expected and the price was right.

I don't live next door to RMNP but try to make it thru the plains of Kansas once each year (that is one looooooooooooooooooooooong drive....) and I find that I enjoy doing landscapes with the longer lenses (120-300 F2.8 and 2X or the 100-400 if I'm out walking around). You'll want a tripod so you extend your shooting times. I don't use the wide angles much (70-200 is usually the smallest lens), of course it just depends on what you like. I like details.

Here's a shot from last fall's elkfest. The times I was out early, there were no clouds so I would focus on morning colors on the mountain peaks and at one such place I happend to glance behind me and this guy was on a rise just as the sun was starting to barrel down the valley. Packed it up and went home right after this shot. For me, it made the ride thru Kansas bearable. Anyway, enjoy the trip and the comments on locations are good. Be sure to take a polarizer (I like the warming type best) and some neutral density filters for the waterfalls. Enjoy.



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May 02, 2007 at 05:52 PM
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You didn't mention whether wildlife was your purpose. If so, like everyone else has mentioned, you'll need longer glass. If not your current glass is fine. The 70-300 IS is nice for the price, but the 100-400L IS would give you really good reach on a crop body without getting too expensive. A 70-200 is NOT long enough for wildlife, but is very nice for telephoto landscape work.

As far as elk go, I have seen large numbers in the meadows on the west side of the park going toward Granby every time I've been there in the summer.

If you want to shoot sunrise/sunset (you WANT to shoot sunrise/sunset!), you need a tripod. Exposures are often longer than 1 second. The cable release for your model camera is nice to have too.

As for the general purpose lenses, the 10-20 and 17-50 are all you will need. Leave the 28-75 at home, and I'd leave the 85mm too. I just don't think there is much where these focal lengths will be what you are looking for. In many places you'll need to blend exposures or use rectangular GND filters, so if you don't already have these filters, you might want to add at least a 2 stop soft grad to your bag. A 2 stop and 3 stop soft will cover anything you need to do.


May 02, 2007 at 05:53 PM
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I'd agree with everyone saying you'd be best off buying a 100-400. Alternatively, it looks the shop below has 300s and 400s to rent (unfortunately, no super-teles; I read somewhere else that they had a break-in recently and those got stolen.) You are going to go up Mt. Evans, aren't you? 20 minutes west of Denver on Interstate 70, take the road south out of Georgetown. It goes up to about 14,000 feet and you should have a good chance of seeing mountain goats and sheep (as well as great scenery.)


http://www.mikescamera.com/services/services.rentals.cfm


May 02, 2007 at 09:29 PM
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Careful with that pregnant wife--my wife was pregnant last trip and it SEVERELY dampened the amount of time I got to higher elevations. She got sick easily with all the winding curves and steep drop-offs. I wanted to spend a lot of time above tree-line and...well...no. My 3 year old and 1.5 year old also kept the hikes low.

Family is more important than a few shots. Que sera, sera.

I had plenty of fun down at the lower elevations, I was practically engulfed in Elk even though I was near the car once. Bear lake was probably the nicest hike for all of us.

Edit: Forgot the lenses. I used the 70-200 f4L and 1.4x much of the time, could have done with longer easily. Keep your camera nearby when driving! There's some shots I would have missed being stuck in or near the car most of the time. Coming into Estes Park with a rain storm and sun pouring through...handed the camera to my wife and told her to shoot away. Going through some gorges, no many places to stop...plenty available.


May 02, 2007 at 09:45 PM
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I would get a good Tamrac photoback and take everything wide and super wide, long any and everything. I carry all my gear in mine ,all that is listed except the extra 70-200 f/4L:

May 03, 2007 at 02:47 AM

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