p.1 #1 · HARTBLEI MC 2.8/80mm Shift Tilt Super Rotator
Hi
Does anyone have any experience with this lens?
I've seen it on the net, and I'm very curious how this lens compares to Canon TS-E lenses. The price of this lens is 499US on http://www.kievcamera.com, and if it's of the same quality (image/build) like Hartblei 45mm Michael Reichmann (of www.luminous-landscape.com) reviewed in his article (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/hartblei45.shtml), it might be a great bargain for EOS owners.
p.1 #2 · HARTBLEI MC 2.8/80mm Shift Tilt Super Rotator
Hi Mihovil,
It's a very cool lens, and you can do things with it that you can't do with the TS-E lenses because the planes of tilt and shift are rotatable.
The quality is pretty good, and I had considered selling my TS-E 90 and just keeping the Hartblei. But I recently tested the two against each other and it was no contest -- the TS-E 90 is MUCH sharper.
BTW you can get this lens for in the area of $300 on Ebay. --c
p.1 #3 · HARTBLEI MC 2.8/80mm Shift Tilt Super Rotator
There's an article online (can't find my bookmark) comparing this lens to the Canon 70-200/2.8L with pretty favorable results. I think you can get it cheaper than $499 US. Look an eBay.
p.1 #4 · HARTBLEI MC 2.8/80mm Shift Tilt Super Rotator
Hi,
Thank you both for the reply.
Charles, would it be to much trouble if I've asked you to send me few raw files done by Hartblei and TS-E 90 side by side? My problem is that I'm currently working in Africa, and as you can imagine it's impossible to test any of the equipment over here. So when I make a decision to buy it's final (usually some of my colleagues go to US and pick up the gear, which is the case with my current purchase (400L f/5.6), which I should receive at the end of this month).
p.1 #7 · HARTBLEI MC 2.8/80mm Shift Tilt Super Rotator
Hi,
I was on the road yesterday so I couldn't answer sooner.
Thanks for the link Joe, I'm reading it as I write this.
Charles, thanks for the offer and this is a reminder for you
p.1 #8 · HARTBLEI MC 2.8/80mm Shift Tilt Super Rotator
Okay I forced myself to stop being lazy.
I mounted both lenses on my pod and used my standard test target, a Cook's Illustrated magazine page with a lot of detail. I resized the TS-E 90 shots by 8/9s to compensate for the size differences.
Here are the two at f/8. They are not that far apart but the TS-E 90 is clearly sharper. --c
p.1 #14 · HARTBLEI MC 2.8/80mm Shift Tilt Super Rotator
i read on photo.net that you can't stopdown meter on the canon 20D if there's any tilt shift applied. is this true, and if so, how much does exposure change after tilting/shifting (hmmm, i guess that might be unanswerable....)
p.1 #15 · HARTBLEI MC 2.8/80mm Shift Tilt Super Rotator
riokid wrote:
Is that a prediction or do you have comparative proof
owned one before, and sold it because the flare that I cannot get rid of even with hood. (I think it's something to do with the lighting conditions), no problem with the TS-E 90mm f/2.8
As I said, it's related to particular lighting conditions, if the lens is pretty sharp.
p.1 #16 · HARTBLEI MC 2.8/80mm Shift Tilt Super Rotator
I'm curious about what sort of lighting conditions were producing the flare? Could it be the the interior of the lens is not properly finished with matte paint? Several Russian/Ukrainian cameras have required special flocking (done by Kiev Camera in Atlanta) to stop stray light from ruining images. Perhaps their lens suffer from similar problems.
p.1 #17 · HARTBLEI MC 2.8/80mm Shift Tilt Super Rotator
Ted wrote: how much does exposure change after tilting/shifting
Ted, My understanding is as such (someone please correct me if I am wrong). In Av mode, with a non EOS-mount lens attached, the 20D will automatically set the shutter speed to suit the light coming in - doesn't matter what appeture you use or if the lens is tilted, you should still get an average exposure. So I would focus with the lens wide open, then tilt as desired, shut down the aperture, then shoot. You can leave the metering up to the camera and set EC as needed. (This is the technique I use for my reversed FD 50mm attached directly to my 10D - except there is no tilt).
With the canon TS-E lenses, the camera controls the appeture. In this case the metering is done by the camera with the lens wide open and is most accurate with no tilt. You should meter before then tilt with these lenses.
See this link: http://www.photosafaris.com/Articles/TiltLenses.asp (see paragraph next to dune shot at bottom or page).
For those with the lens: This is a lens I have been considering for macro shots - flowers, bugs etc.
What is the magnification like compared with the TS-E 90?
Can they be used with TCs and Tubes to get in closer?
