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najibs Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Aug 24, 2003 Total Posts: 782 Country: Canada Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... Ok, so here's the speculation that should be announced soon I hear...As for my source...well, it's someone that doesn't want to give out their source. Anyways...only time will tell... "Canon EOS 20D will be available in September. 8.0 MP 1.6x Digic 2 circuit 9 point AF 5 FPS 0.2s starting time 1/8000s Compatible with EF-S lens interface which digital rebel is using now. Almost same exterior design as 10D but adding a joy sitck at the center of the control wheel and two new lenses: EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM DC EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM DC" Edited by najibs on Aug 13, 2004 at 07:54 PM GMT Aug 14, 2004 at 12:49 AM

justruss Online Image Upload: Off Registered: Jul 05, 2004 Total Posts: 1969 Country: United States Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... Hmmm. That 10-22 would be quite something else... huh. Hope it's open to mod'ing like the 18-55 and just as cheap! speculation speculation speculation Aug 14, 2004 at 12:53 AM

Wiseman Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Jun 18, 2004 Total Posts: 1236 Country: N/A Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... What's the point of EF-S mount? Why don't they just make them EF like Sigma did to their DC lenses? There are just some extra plastic at the end of EF-S. What's the point? Aug 14, 2004 at 12:55 AM

najibs Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Aug 24, 2003 Total Posts: 782 Country: Canada Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... And if you think about the EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM DC, it does sorta make sense, because you've got IS to deal with the fact that it's a slower lens at f/4-5.6. Then again, wouldn't it be cheaper to make it f/3.5-4.5 and leave out the IS??? Speculation continues... Aug 14, 2004 at 12:57 AM

Jay S Offline Image Upload: On Registered: Feb 13, 2004 Total Posts: 551 Country: N/A Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... Hmm! Any info on the size of the buffer? Will it remain 9 shots? Hopefully it will be larger. The 17-85 EF-S IS lens would be a great carry around lens for casual shooting and the IS will be useful to low-light indoor shots. IS aside, I hope image quality is better than the 18-55! Aug 14, 2004 at 12:57 AM

najibs Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Aug 24, 2003 Total Posts: 782 Country: Canada Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... Wiseman wrote: What's the point of EF-S mount? Why don't they just make them EF like Sigma did to their DC lenses? There are just some extra plastic at the end of EF-S. What's the point? I beleive it's the fact that it wouldn't work well with full frame cameras. Kinda like Nikon's "DX" line of lenses, it's specially designed for Digital. The Rebel came out AFTER the 10D, hence the incompatibility with the 10D (unless modded). Aug 14, 2004 at 01:00 AM

petermendelson Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Sep 02, 2003 Total Posts: 2294 Country: United States Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... Can any assumption be made that if it is 8mp with the Digic II circuit, the sensor will behave like the 1DmkII sensor in terms of low-noise and resolution? Peter M Aug 14, 2004 at 01:52 AM

EB-1 Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Jan 09, 2003 Total Posts: 8258 Country: United States Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... Well, the pixels are much smaller than on the 1D MKII, so the inherent noise should be more if all else is equal. Of course that can be compensated for by more denoising. The overall image resolution would be less though. Is anyone else waiting for some new good lenses from Canon? The last couple of years have seen mostly the cheap stuff. There are no new high end teles in sight. Maybe at Photokina? EB Aug 14, 2004 at 02:11 AM

StevenPA Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Jan 05, 2004 Total Posts: 2273 Country: Korea, South Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... I guess people want zooms these days, and while I like mine just fine, it would be nice to see a wide prime (wide on a 1.6, like 15mm or thereabouts) in there. And one that doesn't cost the same price as a used car. Rant off. :) Aug 14, 2004 at 02:19 AM

EugeneD Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Oct 23, 2003 Total Posts: 462 Country: Canada Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... The 10-22 would be sweet, if it's reasonably priced. It would be tough enough to fork over cash for a lens that wouldn't work with full frame down the road; more so if it was expensive. Aug 14, 2004 at 02:44 AM

Ben Horne Offline Image Upload: On Registered: Jan 10, 2002 Total Posts: 7588 Country: United States Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... 9MP 5FPS is dreaming. Aug 14, 2004 at 03:25 AM

Dwight ® Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: May 26, 2003 Total Posts: 3842 Country: United States Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... StevenPA wrote: I guess people want zooms these days, and while I like mine just fine, it would be nice to see a wide prime (wide on a 1.6, like 15mm or thereabouts) in there. And one that doesn't cost the same price as a used car. Rant off. :) I would LOVE to see a rectilinear 16mm-17mm L (preferably f2.8, but a f4 would be O.K). Just don't hold your breath on any new primes in general and more specifically wide angle primes for quite some time. Canon is making loads of money on their zooms and they have seemingly abandoned any thought of new primes. If I remember correctly you can count on two fingers the number of new primes released since January 1, 2000; the 100 Macro and the 400 DO I think. Aug 14, 2004 at 03:35 AM

Gochugogi Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Jun 25, 2003 Total Posts: 3752 Country: United States Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... Why would it be called the 20D? That sounds like the number of a lower or down graded model. The progression is usually lower numbers for deluxe/pro models and higher numbers for low end or budget models: EOS 3000, 300, 30, 3, 1, etc. This class of DSLR has been a little wacky: D30, D60 & 10D. EOS 5D makes more sense if it's a major upgrade. If a mere tweak, EOS 10DN or 10D MKII seems more likely. Aug 14, 2004 at 03:57 AM

StevenPA Offline Buy and Sell: On Registered: Jan 05, 2004 Total Posts: 2273 Country: Korea, South Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... Dwight ® wrote: ...you can count on two fingers the number of new primes released since January 1, 2000... So, how many primes is that? LOL I see great primes from standard to tele, but next to nothing at the wide end. And with the crop factor sensors, the ultra-wide prime makes all the more sense. To me anyway... Aug 14, 2004 at 04:35 AM

Tim Speciale Online Image Upload: Off Registered: Jul 21, 2004 Total Posts: 5119 Country: United States Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... These are pretty much the kind of specs i was especting (pun intended) and wanted. If this is indeed the case i may have to buy this camera a few months from now. But the truth is, it's all a matter of time. I cant afford a new camera right now anyways. Aug 14, 2004 at 05:19 AM

Ricardo Maui Offline [ X ] Registered: Feb 11, 2002 Total Posts: 6847 Country: United States Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... najibs wrote: Ok, so here's the speculation that should be announced soon I hear...As for my source...well, it's someone that doesn't want to give out their source. Anyways...only time will tell... "Canon EOS 20D will be available in September. 8.0 MP 1.6x Digic 2 circuit 9 point AF 5 FPS 0.2s starting time 1/8000s Compatible with EF-S lens interface which digital rebel is using now. Almost same exterior design as 10D but adding a joy sitck at the center of the control wheel and two new lenses: EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM DC EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM DC" Edited by najibs on Aug 13, 2004 at 07:54 PM GMT I love it.................about the 20D! Aug 14, 2004 at 06:44 AM

Sunny Sra Offline Image Upload: On Registered: Sep 16, 2002 Total Posts: 16057 Country: United States Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... 20D or 50D...MKII for me !!! F#(*$&#(*# Aug 14, 2004 at 07:06 AM

EugeneD Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Oct 23, 2003 Total Posts: 462 Country: Canada Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... Najib, any hints on prices for any of these items? Aug 14, 2004 at 09:07 AM

Lars Johnsson Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Jun 29, 2003 Total Posts: 19068 Country: Sweden Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... najibs wrote: As for my source...well, it's someone that doesn't want to give out their source. Anyways...only time will tell... LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL :D :D LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL Aug 14, 2004 at 09:49 AM

Keith Wong Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Dec 26, 2003 Total Posts: 1049 Country: Australia Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... People, I can confirm that this rumour is 99.8% true. I went to the camera store today and spoke to the owner. I asked if he knew anything about the 20D. He said yes, he heard about it on Friday. I asked him to tell me about it. He said, "if I tell you, will you buy it?". I replied, if it's as good as what i've heard, then yes i'll buy it. Then I told him what I heard. His reply: "yes, you are correct. We were briefed about it on Friday by Canon." I will divulge my source, but only to people who PM me. Aug 14, 2004 at 11:13 AM

Lars Johnsson Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Jun 29, 2003 Total Posts: 19068 Country: Sweden Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... "People, I can confirm that this rumour is 99.8% true." "I will divulge my source, but only to people who PM me" :D :D LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL Aug 14, 2004 at 11:43 AM

stevei Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Feb 20, 2004 Total Posts: 947 Country: United Kingdom Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... Wiseman wrote: What's the point of EF-S mount? Why don't they just make them EF like Sigma did to their DC lenses? There are just some extra plastic at the end of EF-S. What's the point? The EF-S mount is designed to allow the lens to extend further into the camera body, giving the ability to design a lens with a shorter back-focus distance, which is helpful for wide angles. If such a lens were fitted to a camera with a bigger mirror than the 10D and 300D have, the mirror would hit the lens when the shutter is fired. This is why the 18-55 can be modified to fit the 10D, because the 10D is 1.6 crop like the 300D, so has a similarly smaller than normal mirror. Having said that, I know some people have fitted a modified 18-55 to film cameras, and it's supposed to clear the mirror provided you don't zoom wider than 22mm, but I don't think I'd want to risk it myself. I've even heard of people using it at 18mm by using mirror lock-up to keep the mirror out of the way before putting the lens on. Steve Aug 14, 2004 at 11:53 AM

Keith Wong Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Dec 26, 2003 Total Posts: 1049 Country: Australia Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... Lars Johnsson wrote: "People, I can confirm that this rumour is 99.8% true." "I will divulge my source, but only to people who PM me" :D :D LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL So what are you laughing about? PM me and I will tell you. It's a local camera shop. You just have to promise that you won't post it on this forum. Aug 14, 2004 at 11:55 AM

Lars Johnsson Offline Image Upload: Off Registered: Jun 29, 2003 Total Posts: 19068 Country: Sweden Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... Amfibius wrote: Lars Johnsson wrote: "People, I can confirm that this rumour is 99.8% true." "I will divulge my source, but only to people who PM me" :D :D LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL So what are you laughing about? PM me and I will tell you. It's a local camera shop. You just have to promise that you won't post it on this forum. If you can confirm it why do you say it's 99,8% true. And why can you tell anyone but not this forum ??? Aug 14, 2004 at 11:59 AM

Tim Speciale Online Image Upload: Off Registered: Jul 21, 2004 Total Posts: 5119 Country: United States Re: Canon 20D & 2 new EF-S lenses... Amfibius wrote: People, I can confirm that this rumour is 99.8% true. I went to the camera store today and spoke to the owner. I asked if he knew anything about the 20D. He said yes, he heard about it on Friday. I asked him to tell me about it. He said, "if I tell you, will you buy it?". I replied, if it's as good as what i've heard, then yes i'll buy it. Then I told him what I heard. His reply: "yes, you are correct. We were briefed about it on Friday by Canon." I will divulge my source, but only to people who PM me. Considering it's a local camera shop, what makes you think his source is differnt then ours, say a message board? Aug 14, 2004 at 12:02 PM

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