And from the Tokina ATX 80-200mm f4, which really needs a hood - it suffers from CA and loses contrast if there's any bright light (even sky) - but can be sharp-ish & produce rich colours throughout its range:
Just finished up with an engagement session this morning. I am still struggling a bit while shooting people with the Nex system. At least on the Nex 6, trying to adjust shutter speed is a huge pain in the rear. I continually push the dial too hard and end up adjusting the ISO. Huge pain. I really, really wish we could swap the aperture dial with the shutter dial. I hardly ever use the top dial. Any one else wish for this?
photoomaha wrote:
Just finished up with an engagement session this morning. I am still struggling a bit while shooting people with the Nex system. At least on the Nex 6, trying to adjust shutter speed is a huge pain in the rear. I continually push the dial too hard and end up adjusting the ISO. Huge pain. I really, really wish we could swap the aperture dial with the shutter dial. I hardly ever use the top dial. Any one else wish for this?
Oh yes indeed. If it weren't for what you're describing I would have upgraded from my 5n in a heartbeat. For legacy lenses it just doesn't seem worth it. Bummer.
photoomaha wrote:
Just finished up with an engagement session this morning. I am still struggling a bit while shooting people with the Nex system. At least on the Nex 6, trying to adjust shutter speed is a huge pain in the rear. I continually push the dial too hard and end up adjusting the ISO. Huge pain. I really, really wish we could swap the aperture dial with the shutter dial. I hardly ever use the top dial. Any one else wish for this?
This is why I bought the NEX-7 instead of NEX-6 last month. For the controls. I use aperture mode 90% of the time so the top dial is pretty wasted for me. I would have liked better high ISO and the PDAF focusing, but the controls were a show stopper for me.
I am diggin' high ISO on this camera as a snapshooter. I'm coming from a T2i. Not that it's a terrible camera, but ISO-wise, it's like being let out of a newspaper-lined cage.
bcaslis wrote:
This is why I bought the NEX-7 instead of NEX-6 last month. For the controls. I use aperture mode 90% of the time so the top dial is pretty wasted for me. I would have liked better high ISO and the PDAF focusing, but the controls were a show stopper for me.
Maybe you should have looked a little closer before you made that choice. On the NEX-6, the thumb dial underneath the mode knob shifts function depending on whether it's in Aperture priority or Shutter priority mode. In aperture mode, it adjusts the aperture. In shutter mode, it adjusts the shutter speed. The problem that photoomaha had would only happen in Manual mode. Even then, with a reasonably gentle touch, the problem he had would not occur. Having had all three bodies, I would rank them as follows:
Ergonomics:
1. NEX-6
2. NEX-7
3. NEX-5N
Imager noise:
1. NEX-5N
2. NEX-6
3. NEX-7
The NEX-7 obviously wins the resolution ranking but do you really need 24 MP when you suffer with high ISO noise and problems with wide angle edge color issues?
Overall:
1. NEX-6
2. NEX-5N
3. NEX-7
IMO, the NEX-7 is overrated and suffers because Sony let the marketing department convince them that a big resolution number was more important than high ISO performance. If Sony comes out with a a FF NEX and the high ISO performance isn't comparable with cameras like the Canon 6D or Pentax K-5, they will be making a huge mistake and they won't sell one to me.
I have a NEX 7 and NEX 5N and I prefer the sensor on the 7.
Per pixel noise is higher on the 7, but when I downsize the NEX 7 files to be equivalent to the NEX 5N files, I barely see any noise advantage to the 5N files. This was discussed at great length in these forums when the NEX 7 came out. Dynamic range is better on the 7.
I have a NEX 7 and NEX 5N and I prefer the sensor on the 7.
Per pixel noise is higher on the 7, but when I downsize the NEX 7 files to be equivalent to the NEX 5N files, I barely see any noise advantage to the 5N files. This was discussed at great length in these forums when the NEX 7 came out. Dynamic range is better on the 7.
yeah, i prefer the dynamic range and color of the 7s sensor. i also like having 24mp for landscapes.
I have a NEX 7 and NEX 5N and I prefer the sensor on the 7.
Per pixel noise is higher on the 7, but when I downsize the NEX 7 files to be equivalent to the NEX 5N files, I barely see any noise advantage to the 5N files. This was discussed at great length in these forums when the NEX 7 came out. Dynamic range is better on the 7.
Jeff,
I've read all those opinions and I tried it myself, both downsizing the 7 and upsizing the 5N and I could still see a significant difference either way. Go out and shoot them at ISO 6400 in low enough light that requires that ISO to get a reasonable shutter speed and it becomes very clear.
sebboh wrote:
yeah, i prefer the dynamic range and color of the 7s sensor. i also like having 24mp for landscapes.
If you're making very large prints and you're able to shoot at lower ISO's, I would agree. Your primary usage is definitely a key factor but for if you shoot much low light and you rarely make very large prints, the 6 is a better choice IMO.
zombii wrote:
Jeff,
I've read all those opinions and I tried it myself, both downsizing the 7 and upsizing the 5N and I could still see a significant difference either way. Go out and shoot them at ISO 6400 in low enough light that requires that ISO to get a reasonable shutter speed and it becomes very clear.
Rod
i'd agree with this, i have trouble making the 24mp sensor match the 16mp sensor for high iso. perhaps i just need to use different downsizing/noise reduction algorithms though. i've not spent much time perfecting that.
zombii wrote:
Maybe you should have looked a little closer before you made that choice. On the NEX-6, the thumb dial underneath the mode knob shifts function depending on whether it's in Aperture priority or Shutter priority mode. In aperture mode, it adjusts the aperture. In shutter mode, it adjusts the shutter speed. The problem that photoomaha had would only happen in Manual mode. Even then, with a reasonably gentle touch, the problem he had would not occur. Having had all three bodies, I would rank them as follows:
Ergonomics:
1. NEX-6
2. NEX-7
3. NEX-5N
Imager noise:
1. NEX-5N
2. NEX-6
3. NEX-7
The NEX-7 obviously wins the resolution ranking but do you really need 24 MP when you suffer with high ISO noise and problems with wide angle edge color issues?
Overall:
1. NEX-6
2. NEX-5N
3. NEX-7
IMO, the NEX-7 is overrated and suffers because Sony let the marketing department convince them that a big resolution number was more important than high ISO performance. If Sony comes out with a a FF NEX and the high ISO performance isn't comparable with cameras like the Canon 6D or Pentax K-5, they will be making a huge mistake and they won't sell one to me....Show more →
Actually, I did look very close and for me the NEX-7 was better. It's fine if you prefer something else, but please don't tell me what is good for me. I don't have very wide rangefinder lenses so I have no color issues. I prefer to not shoot at ISO 6400, so the low ISO performance of the sensor easily outshines the other NEX cameras. I know exactly how the NEX-6 works. I love how you can press the AF/MF button and switch to manual focusing. Oops, you can't, only have these buttons on the NEX-7.
I have a NEX 7 and NEX 5N and I prefer the sensor on the 7.
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Dynamic range is better on the 7.
Yes indeed, dynamic range on the Nex-7 is amazing, you instantly notice it when you use it. Big difference to the Nex-5N and of course to the Canon 5d and such. It also seems to be a real useable DR, not just a reserve that it hidden in the deepest shadows. High ISO noise is not something very important to me, I generally find this to be quite overrated these days. I also think that optimizing cameras for ultra high ISOs will have an impact on low ISO quality and colour reproduction.
bcaslis wrote:
Actually, I did look very close and for me the NEX-7 was better. It's fine if you prefer something else, but please don't tell me what is good for me. I don't have very wide rangefinder lenses so I have no color issues. I prefer to not shoot at ISO 6400, so the low ISO performance of the sensor easily outshines the other NEX cameras. I know exactly how the NEX-6 works. I love how you can press the AF/MF button and switch to manual focusing. Oops, you can't, only have these buttons on the NEX-7.
That's fine but your post sounded like your decision was based on photoomaha's experience. If you actually handled a NEX-6 and you prefer the 7, that's fine. Oh, if you set up the Fn button options on the NEX-6, you can make the AF/MF switch in two button presses.
alba63 wrote:
Yes indeed, dynamic range on the Nex-7 is amazing, you instantly notice it when you use it. Big difference to the Nex-5N and of course to the Canon 5d and such. It also seems to be a real useable DR, not just a reserve that it hidden in the deepest shadows. High ISO noise is not something very important to me, I generally find this to be quite overrated these days. I also think that optimizing cameras for ultra high ISOs will have an impact on low ISO quality and colour reproduction.
Cheers
Bernie
Please post comparison images that demonstrate the DR differences to a meaningful degree.
