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p.6 #1 · The word 'Organic' is really annoying!


RDKirk wrote:
Wouldn't that be all your British cousins from the left side of the pond?

Anyone remember the "Gong Show" or specifically a lady named JP Morgan - a comedienne? I was near Canada one time and watching a talk show and she was a guest - best damn show ever. Anyway he was talking about his and her "shedule" and she said "you mean schedule (skedule)?" The talk show host went into this long ass windy discourse on British pronunciation and spelling and how the yanks had bastardized it all. She sat through it with a level expression and when he finished she said " I think you're full of skit".



Jun 17, 2010 at 01:41 PM
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p.6 #2 · The word 'Organic' is really annoying!


PetKal wrote:
Now, walk away from the monitor slowly and observe how digitalness drops with distance while organicity improves. Which just goes to show that those image qualities are largely dependent on the reference point, or the observer coordinates, if you will, and do not hinge on gears used.
Here you go, yet another illustration of the Heisenberg's principle of photographic uncertainty.


This would be the funniest intellectual quote with organic taste that I have ever read.

Bravo, PetKal.



Jun 17, 2010 at 01:48 PM
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p.6 #3 · The word 'Organic' is really annoying!


RDKirk wrote:
Wouldn't that be all your British cousins from the left side of the pond?



hmmm. the left side of the pond... Are you talking about circumnavigating the globe to get to the UK?

Me thinks the proper orientation has always been facing the map, so the pond, sometimes quaintly referred to as the Atlantic, borders the eastern US on the "right coast", and the "left coast" is the west coast, or the pacific side.

This traditionally has nothing to do with the preponderance teabaggers though you might hear that on the news today.

There, now that we have that all cleared up, please carry on.



Jun 17, 2010 at 02:18 PM
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p.6 #4 · The word 'Organic' is really annoying!


jamesf99 wrote:
hmmm. the left side of the pond... Are you talking about circumnavigating the globe to get to the UK?

Me thinks the proper orientation has always been facing the map, so the pond, sometimes quaintly referred to as the Atlantic, borders the eastern US on the "right coast", and the "left coast" is the west coast, or the pacific side.

This traditionally has nothing to do with the preponderance teabaggers though you might hear that on the news today.

There, now that we have that all cleared up, please carry on.


Well, the speaker was in Canada, so if he is facing the US to respond to me, the UK would be to his left.

Okay, so I meant the other left.



Jun 17, 2010 at 04:09 PM
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p.6 #5 · The word 'Organic' is really annoying!


Ignoring photography-related subjects, and addressing language irksomenesses (I just made that up; it's unrelated to my point):

1) Journalists who mindlessly copy what some idiot first said a few decades ago: "Don't expect to see it anytime soon," as though "anytime" were a word like "anywhere" or "anyone". [Edit: It's more than that, though; it's the whole phrase. It would still be offensive even if they said "any time" clearly as two words; joining them is just the topspin. After someone said it, they all jumped on the bandwagon.]

B) Journalists who faithfully follow the formula of 'statement... but, question?'



Jun 17, 2010 at 05:23 PM
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p.6 #6 · The word 'Organic' is really annoying!


Ernie Aubert wrote:
Ignoring photography-related subjects, and addressing language irksomenesses (I just made that up; it's unrelated to my point):

1) Journalists who mindlessly copy what some idiot first said a few decades ago: "Don't expect to see it anytime soon," as though "anytime" were a word like "anywhere" or "anyone". [Edit: It's more than that, though; it's the whole phrase. It would still be offensive even if they said "any time" clearly as two words; joining them is just the topspin. After someone said it, they all jumped on the bandwagon.]

B) Journalists who faithfully follow the formula of 'statement... but, question?'



Anytime? Hadn't much thought of that one, but I think it's probably headed for idiomatic inclusion.

It's sad, but newspaper reporters (a dying breed I'm afraid) and newscasters (an increasingly annoying and illiterate bunch for the most part) are not paragons of virtue when it comes to speaking, writing, or even reading the English language. Unfortunately, most people get information from these people.Note: I'm discounting "bloggers" because 95%+ of the time they are simply parrots of what they've heard or read from a "real" news source.

I'm thankful that those misusing "awesome" is decreasing, but those that don't understand the words affect and impact are increasing. You can't win I guess.




Jun 18, 2010 at 07:20 AM
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p.6 #7 · The word 'Organic' is really annoying!


jamesf99 wrote:
It's sad, but newspaper reporters (a dying breed I'm afraid) and newscasters (an increasingly annoying and illiterate bunch for the most part) are not paragons of virtue when it comes to speaking, writing, or even reading the English language.


Or anything else for that matter...

Just to share a laugh, I printed this out for my mother in law who hates the use of bad English, anyone else notice the mistake?

www.studio-beni.net/like.jpg



Jun 20, 2010 at 01:25 PM
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Beni wrote:
Or anything else for that matter...

Just to share a laugh, I printed this out for my mother in law who hates the use of bad English, anyone else notice the mistake?

www.studio-beni.net/like.jpg


Like what mistake? looked like, pretty good, like, to me.



Jun 20, 2010 at 05:12 PM
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p.6 #9 · The word 'Organic' is really annoying!


Acadamy ... Awarness

EBH



Jun 20, 2010 at 05:54 PM
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p.6 #10 · The word 'Organic' is really annoying!


What amazes me is that young people actually write all those "likes" in their academic writing. Someone told them at some point, "Write the way you speak" (which is probably the worst writing advice ever given), and they took it literally "literally."


Jun 20, 2010 at 06:38 PM
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p.6 #11 · The word 'Organic' is really annoying!


EB-1 wrote:
Acadamy ... Awarness

EBH


Good eye EB...

Omar



Jun 20, 2010 at 09:59 PM
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p.6 #12 · The word 'Organic' is really annoying!


cogitech wrote:
Indeed. Furthermore, "micro-contrast" is an objective, measurable term. Somebody didn't just make that shit up. It is also referred to as "local contrast" and it is exactly what you are modifying when you adjust the "clarity" slider (or similar) in your RAW app. The "3D" aspect is a combination of many things; some measurable, some more subjective. None of it is BS.

It's like all the terms people use to discuss wine. Until you really make an effort, it all sounds like BS. I know for a fact that it isn't, just like I know that these so-called "colorful terms" are
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What you're talking about resembles the concept of bounded rationality, except geared less toward decision-making and more toward description-making. Describing a photograph requires a whole lot of information processing. Often, people are unable to break down what they are seeing into processable, communicable bits, thus they oversimplify a series of complex characteristics into a single buzz word, i.e., "organic."

I don't know a whole lot about "micro-contrast," but just because it is associated with a set of values that can be tweaked using a slider in a computer program, doesn't mean it's quantifiable by the human brain. Well, at least not in a way people can articulate properly. When the brain is able to process something you can't articulate meaningfully through language, you try to express how you "feel" about the subject.

Feelings are the issue at hand here. You see, the brain is awesome (have I identified myself as a moron? ) at processing data even while you may not necessarily be aware of the computations. It's something we've come to label as intuition. When Warren Buffett has a gut feeling that it would be an excellent investment in company X, it's not a baseless judgment. Buffett's spent years making these calculations based on available data and at his level intuition is likely due to the brain processing large amounts of data in a short amount of time. But I doubt he, or any other stakeholders, would make a decision based on a gut feeling.

Buffett presenting a possible investment move to a set of shareholders based on a gut feeling would lead to the same type of scenario as we're seeing here with certain people getting irritated with buzz words. His gut feeling derives from his brain taking a pool of data, simplifying or possibly oversimplifying the data, then making a calculation based on that processed data. It all makes sense to him when he feels what he feels, but to anyone else, they can't understand what he's talking about. People who are annoyed at buzz words used to describe photographs have good reason to be irritated. It's only natural - they have no idea what that person is talking about because of the phenomena I've described above. In sum: people "feel" a certain way about a photograph because it's the way the brain downconverts information resulting from complex processing, but conveying this feeling to someone else is difficult because these calculations have not occurred in their brains.

"Organic" is extremely vague and based on this type of intuition. "3-D" is in the same category, except that's based on your brain processing a whole heap of data collected by your eyes in a certain way which has been well studied by psychologists at this point, so that's more easily explained. In fact, you could probably just ask an expert 3-D animator to tell you how this works. Jump into any modern video game on the Xbox 360 and you'll see thousands of examples of how illusion is used to create the perception of 3-D on a 2-D plane: motion parallax, perspective, texture gradients, lighting, etc. are all manipulated toward this goal. Your brain processes all of this information too quickly for you to break down through reasoning, unless you sit down and study it for a long, long time.





Jun 21, 2010 at 01:05 AM
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p.6 #13 · The word 'Organic' is really annoying!


EB-1 wrote:
Acadamy ... Awarness

EBH


You win a coconut sir!



Jun 21, 2010 at 02:21 AM
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p.6 #14 · The word 'Organic' is really annoying!


"3-D" is in the same category, except that's based on your brain processing a whole heap of data collected by your eyes in a certain way which has been well studied by psychologists at this point, so that's more easily explained. In fact, you could probably just ask an expert 3-D animator to tell you how this works.

Anyone who has taken a year of drawing from life should be able to tell you.



Jun 21, 2010 at 06:25 AM
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