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p.1 #1 · Completely unable to make a website


Is there anyone else out there who is so incredibly unable to make any kind of website? I may be able to use my camera on manual regularly, but when it comes to trying to make a website, anything past flickr is completely beyond me.

I am so frustrated. Smugmug was another universe of complexity, and while zenfolio is a little better, I can't grasp even that. Perhaps I'm fated to be just another good photographer whose work nobody ever saw because I can't figure out how to display it.

Has anyone else been there and gotten past it?



Jun 13, 2010 at 12:08 PM
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p.1 #2 · Completely unable to make a website


I use Exposure Manager, and no, it's really not much easier than any of the others. Took me forever to figure out how to ad an image to my header and footer.
I found this site particularly useful for the html scripts/tags you need to use;
http://www.webmonkey.com/cheat-sheets/

But, like you, that was all I was able to figure out. Your a much better photographer than me, and I'm going to "lurk" to see what others may suggest.
I would like to have my own stand-alone website, with shopping cart, so I can pick the lab I want, to have my prints made. Exposure Manager has their own labs, and so far, they do an outstanding job. But, the website itself is a little clunky and boring. I can now add Youtube video slideshows that I make though, so that jazzed it up a bit;
http://www.havasuphoto.net/g/2010_djsa_race_series

And, it took me forever to figure out how to embed the Youtube video onto the web page. But, if I can figure it out, ANYONE can figure it out.



Jun 13, 2010 at 12:15 PM
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p.1 #3 · Completely unable to make a website


I can't even figure out how to turn the goddamn slideshow OFF. I don't know if zenfolio just has poorly designed help sections or chose not to include information on it, but I just don't get it.

I wish I'd never turned it on, but of course I didn't know it would be so difficult. I feel as though I'm just smart enough to know how dumb I am.



Jun 13, 2010 at 12:30 PM
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p.1 #4 · Completely unable to make a website


You might take a look at www.photium.com.


Jun 13, 2010 at 12:33 PM
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p.1 #5 · Completely unable to make a website


When I first started photography 5 years ago, I was faced with the same question. My personal solution was to join Lynda.com and spend about a week watching videos to learn how to use Adobe GoLive. It was a pain, but I designed my own site (and got my own hosting account), and all was good. Shortly thereafter, Adobe bought Macromedia and retired GoLive, so I got Dreamweaver (just as easy to learn, if not easier).

I actually evolved from there, learned CSS and other technologies, and now I design and host sites professionally for others )I no longer use a WYSIWYG editor, and just design from a text editor, which I find better, and in all honesty even easier than trying to customize some of the available services out there). It fits into my photo business well, actually, and fills the gaps during slow times. Maybe this is beyond the scope of what you want to embark on.

I will say this depends in large part on what you want your site to do for you. For many uses, WordPress is a great platform, and free, and very customizable. In some cases, though, you'll want something very custom. If you are trying to bring in new clients, using a hosted service (Flickr, SMugMug, etc) can sometimes appear unprofessional (before anyone gets up in arms about this, I'm not saying that's always the case, and there are some pros who use exclusively hosted sites with success). But it also detracts severely from your SEO. So I generally recommend getting your own domain and host, then figuring out what kind of site will serve you best. Flash templates are bad for multiple reasons.

If you're making money with your work, it's often best to bite the bullet and spend money for a professional design.



Jun 13, 2010 at 12:34 PM
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p.1 #6 · Completely unable to make a website


I used Yahoo site builder. It is great for beginners. Just download it to your computer and learn how to build your site. There are templates and lots of extra stuff to make it easier.ITS FREE until you set up the site and web name, address and publish it to yahoo.. Give it a try.. easy and free to learn.

JZaun



Jun 13, 2010 at 01:22 PM
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p.1 #7 · Completely unable to make a website


yeah, hire a professional.


Jun 13, 2010 at 01:31 PM
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p.1 #8 · Completely unable to make a website


While very basic, iWeb makes putting a site together easy. I used dreamweaver years ago and was able to hack through building a site. I created a site for my fiance and I recently, using iWeb. It's good for simple, straightforward sites. I wouldn't try to use it professionally. I also learned a lot through dreamweaver because of the split screen option. I was able to insert items in the top half and watch dreamweaver encode it in HTML in the bottom half. After a while, it started to make a little sense, until something does work and you try to fix it. Then I end up cussing and throwing shit across the room, as if that helps.


Jun 13, 2010 at 01:33 PM
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umapati wrote:
You might take a look at www.photium.com.

Wow...they're kinda pricey.
I own my domain name, so in my case, I was looking for a low maintenance, turnkey, operation. This would have a secure shopping cart, and I could opt to self-fulfill, or use their lab services. It freed me from having to do all the work myself, and, for $99/year, plus around 2%, it was well worth it. My EM site has more than paid for itself, many times over.

However, if you are just looking for a site to host your images, and are not interested in sales, Flickr works pretty well.

I looked at all the hosting sites(except photium-never saw that one), and tried them all out. I did like Smugmug, but became kinda frustrated with some of the features, which I thought detracted from my images, and made the site a little more difficult to use.

I've seen some beautifully designed photo sites out there. In fact, some just blow me away, they are that beautiful. But then what??
I also don't like Flash. If I open a site, and it starts playing music, or doing something on it's own, I'm outta there...see ya. I want to push the buttons....I want to look at the pictures, and I don't want to have to figure out how to do that. The site should be intuitive, not gawdy, over the top, and in your face.

I'm not saying Exposure Manager is perfect, by any means. It serves my purpose. I found other sites that were equal, or better than EM. However, usually it was there fee's that I found to be a bit much.

I can hire a teenage kid locally, who probably has forgotten more about html, java, and all that other stuff, than I will ever learn. But, if I do that, then I have to pay for the "shopping cart"(credit card fee's, and usually a monthly fee), and I have to send the digital to a lab for printing(which I already do). The end result would not net me anymore sales, or profit.

So basically, there is no "one size fits all" solution out there. Some require zero "coding experience", but most require some, at least to "jazz it up" a bit.

I found countless places that allowed me to copy and paste scripts(I guess that's what you call that html stuff), to allow me to get to where I am on my site(which really isn't very far).
But like you, I have zero patience for this kinda stuff(coding), and have next to no experience. I'd rather just be outside taking pictures.

Edit; while I was typing my message, two other people posted. I guess we really need to know if you intend to sell you pictures, or just display them??

Also, I can empathize with this quote;
Then I end up cussing and throwing shit across the room, as if that helps. ....I do that..a lot, when trying to figure this stuff out.



Jun 13, 2010 at 01:34 PM
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luminosity wroteHas anyone else been there and gotten past it?

Absolutely! It's amazing how frustrating it can be. You can struggle with the most basic problems and have poor google results just because you don't know the terminology. I would recommend downloading a freebie web page and modifying the source code to fit your needs, you would be surprised how looking at the source code can be fairly intuitive.



Jun 13, 2010 at 02:45 PM
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p.1 #11 · Completely unable to make a website


If you're using a Mac have a look at Sandvox.
Easy to use, the basic version (enough for me) cost $57,00 and there are a lot of templates available and you can buy others for a small price.
It's all drag-and-drop.
I'm busy setting up my website (it's online but not completely finished yet).



Jun 13, 2010 at 03:16 PM
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p.1 #12 · Completely unable to make a website


If you're having this much trouble, a professional may be the way to go. Even if you get something working, it's probably not going to look or work very well.


Jun 13, 2010 at 03:39 PM
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p.1 #13 · Completely unable to make a website


I also use Zenfolio
Took me about a week and a 1/2 but now I fly around in there
Also check out the forms, they can be very helpful



Jun 13, 2010 at 04:10 PM
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p.1 #14 · Completely unable to make a website


I'm quite the opposite. I have a successful website, I do web design for a company, but all my shots are blurry and unprofessional. Stupid 51 point auto focus system, why can't everything just in be in focus all day all the time grrr!!!!


Jun 13, 2010 at 09:31 PM
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p.1 #15 · Completely unable to make a website


Smugmug has been very good to me and there are a couple different ways to go about designing it. I am anything but a pro at web design so I used the simple template designer but you have options for a lot more than I came up with. There are tutorials right on the website.

I feel your pain though. Might be worth hiring (or borrowing) someone with more experience to run you through it... but good luck regardless!



Jun 13, 2010 at 09:53 PM
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p.1 #16 · Completely unable to make a website


Try Jalbum:

http://jalbum.net/




Jun 13, 2010 at 10:32 PM
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p.1 #17 · Completely unable to make a website


Luminosity - I use Smugmug and really like it. It is actually quite user friendly after using it a while.


Jun 13, 2010 at 10:50 PM
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p.1 #18 · Completely unable to make a website


do same what you think people needing good photographer should do...


Jun 13, 2010 at 10:51 PM
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p.1 #19 · Completely unable to make a website


Another vote for smugmug here. It is really quite easy to build a site there and believe me, I'm no expert when it comes to HTML. There are plenty of templates for you to use too. My experience with tech support has been pretty good too.

Good luck.

Henrik



Jun 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM
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p.1 #20 · Completely unable to make a website


Kittyk wrote:
do same what you think people needing good photographer should do...





Jun 13, 2010 at 11:23 PM
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