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simdoc1 Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #1 · Iron Horse 2 I number of you have been kind enough to comment on Iron Horse 1 (http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/875314) so I thought I would share a problem with you. The images below are from the inside of the same building and I can't quite figure out the best way to present the interior. I'd appreciate knowing what you think of these three options and whether there is something else that you think would be better. Thanks!! Jeff #1 #2 #3 Mar 10, 2010 at 11:38 PM

KyleR. Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #2 · Iron Horse 2 TO me 2 doesn't compare to 1 and 3. I'm really liking the high contrast feel of 1 but 3 is nice too. Tough decision Mar 10, 2010 at 11:43 PM

Mister Bean Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #3 · Iron Horse 2 There's a lot going on here. I'm not sure what to look at. Mar 10, 2010 at 11:49 PM

who me Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #4 · Iron Horse 2 To me, #2 looks the most natural but I like the processing in #3. Unfortunately, because of the high contrast of the image, #1 almost looks like you did a high-key process on it. I looked at the other thread. Where is this place? Mar 11, 2010 at 12:17 AM

AuntiPode Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #5 · Iron Horse 2 The B & W version is good. There's something appropriate to expressing decay in B & W. However, I prefer the second because it's more natural. For a theme of decay, the glamorization of the third version seems contrary to the spirit. The second may benefit from some tweaks to contrast and yellow channel and blue channel Hue/Sat tweaks to emphasize the rust hues of decay: Mar 11, 2010 at 12:45 AM

sbeme Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #6 · Iron Horse 2 Jeff, If these are the outputs from a single RAW image, kudos to you! My thoughts: Its a very busy scene. So much to see makes it both intriguing and a bit overwhelming. I like the BW with its excellent detail and contrast. I was about to write that the BW simplifies the scene, reducing the perceived busy-ness, but when I look at the second, I'm not sure that's right. Instead the color seems to segment the image into floor, left vertical side, and the remaining, making the image more manageable to take in. And it looks pretty natural. Third is my least favorite. It gets busier again, especially with the pulled out textures and details in the floor. And it has that HDR look that some love, but isnt for me. Overall I think you did a wonderful job with each rendition. And what a great place! Scott Mar 11, 2010 at 01:18 AM

simdoc1 Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #7 · Iron Horse 2 AuntiPode wrote: The B & W version is good. There's something appropriate to expressing decay in B & W. However, I prefer the second because it's more natural. For a theme of decay, the glamorization of the third version seems contrary to the spirit. The second may benefit from some tweaks to contrast and yellow channel and blue channel Hue/Sat tweaks to emphasize the rust hues of decay: Thanks, AuntiPode! I like what you've done with enhancing the rust. I gives it a sense of depth, enhancing all the lines that run back towards the vanishing point (which I noticed after a comment from Tim over on B&W). Jeff Mar 11, 2010 at 02:19 AM

simdoc1 Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #8 · Iron Horse 2 sbeme wrote: Jeff, If these are the outputs from a single RAW image, kudos to you! My thoughts: Its a very busy scene. So much to see makes it both intriguing and a bit overwhelming. I like the BW with its excellent detail and contrast. I was about to write that the BW simplifies the scene, reducing the perceived busy-ness, but when I look at the second, I'm not sure that's right. Instead the color seems to segment the image into floor, left vertical side, and the remaining, making the image more manageable to take in. And it looks pretty natural. Third is my least favorite. It gets busier again, especially with the pulled out textures and details in the floor. And it has that HDR look that some love, but isnt for me. Overall I think you did a wonderful job with each rendition. And what a great place! Scott Thanks for the thoughtful observations, Scott. The B&W is really growing on me. As for the HDR, I do like that look at times but, in this case, it was actually your suggestion over in the Iron Horse 1 thread that gave me the idea. ! Jeff Mar 11, 2010 at 02:22 AM

simdoc1 Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #9 · Iron Horse 2 who me wrote: To me, #2 looks the most natural but I like the processing in #3. Unfortunately, because of the high contrast of the image, #1 almost looks like you did a high-key process on it. I looked at the other thread. Where is this place? Thanks, who me! This is located in Billerica, MA, and, as you might imagine, it is one of those "off-limits" places..... Jeff Mar 11, 2010 at 02:24 AM

simdoc1 Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #10 · Iron Horse 2 KyleR. wrote: TO me 2 doesn't compare to 1 and 3. I'm really liking the high contrast feel of 1 but 3 is nice too. Tough decision Thanks, Kyle. As I said above, the B&W is growing on me and I like AuntiPode's enhancement of #2. Jeff Mar 11, 2010 at 02:25 AM

simdoc1 Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #11 · Iron Horse 2 Mister Bean wrote: There's a lot going on here. I'm not sure what to look at. Your reaction was exactly me problem in printing this image! I think I've come to appreciate the value of the converging linear elements as the key to holding all the details together. Thanks for the comment! Jeff Mar 11, 2010 at 02:26 AM

sbeme Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #12 · Iron Horse 2 Hey, wait a minute! Actually, thinking HDR predominantly as a technique to draw out as much detail from an image with so much dynamic range. But, for me, most of the time I prefer HDR that doenst look like HDR. Most of the time. Scott simdoc1 wrote: sbeme wrote: Jeff, If these are the outputs from a single RAW image, kudos to you! My thoughts: Its a very busy scene. So much to see makes it both intriguing and a bit overwhelming. I like the BW with its excellent detail and contrast. I was about to write that the BW simplifies the scene, reducing the perceived busy-ness, but when I look at the second, I'm not sure that's right. Instead the color seems to segment the image into floor, left vertical side, and the remaining, making the image more manageable to take in. And it looks pretty natural. Third is my least favorite. It gets busier again, especially with the pulled out textures and details in the floor. And it has that HDR look that some love, but isnt for me. Overall I think you did a wonderful job with each rendition. And what a great place! Scott Thanks for the thoughtful observations, Scott. The B&W is really growing on me. As for the HDR, I do like that look at times but, in this case, it was actually your suggestion over in the Iron Horse 1 thread that gave me the idea. ! Jeff Mar 11, 2010 at 02:27 AM

simdoc1 Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #13 · Iron Horse 2 sbeme wrote: Hey, wait a minute! Actually, thinking HDR predominantly as a technique to draw out as much detail from an image with so much dynamic range. But, for me, most of the time I prefer HDR that doenst look like HDR. Most of the time. Scott sbeme wrote Understood! Jeff Mar 11, 2010 at 03:02 AM

Rick Schump Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #14 · Iron Horse 2 Jeff, looking at this, it does appear to have a lot of things to draw your attention. It is a long building, maybe some vinyetting, to direct your gaze down the building instead of so wide, might help. I don't know if it will help or just subtract from the feeling you want. Good luck. Rick Mar 11, 2010 at 03:18 AM

who me Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #15 · Iron Horse 2 simdoc1 wrote: Thanks, who me! This is located in Billerica, MA, and, as you might imagine, it is one of those "off-limits" places..... Jeff No doubt this is 'off limits'. I am actually surprised that place is still standing... Unfortunately, many of those cool places are that way. Thanks again for sharing those cool shots. For those interested, I found a couple of links on the history of that place: http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=62746 http://sery2831.smugmug.com/gallery/1578737#76445017_gEzdQ Mar 11, 2010 at 04:39 PM

lylejk Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #16 · Iron Horse 2 Sort of a fan of the tonemapped look (some aren't; to each's own). Decreased Contrast and then applied GIMP's ACE and set that result to Value. Super-enhanced color/sat afterwards. Mar 11, 2010 at 06:06 PM

simdoc1 Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #17 · Iron Horse 2 who me wrote: simdoc1 wrote: Thanks, who me! This is located in Billerica, MA, and, as you might imagine, it is one of those "off-limits" places..... Jeff No doubt this is 'off limits'. I am actually surprised that place is still standing... Unfortunately, many of those cool places are that way. Thanks again for sharing those cool shots. For those interested, I found a couple of links on the history of that place: http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=62746 http://sery2831.smugmug.com/gallery/1578737#76445017_gEzdQ Thanks for the links to history and images. I was hoping to find an old train but it seems like those are long gone. Jeff Mar 11, 2010 at 09:55 PM

simdoc1 Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #18 · Iron Horse 2 lylejk wrote: Sort of a fan of the tonemapped look (some aren't; to each's own). Decreased Contrast and then applied GIMP's ACE and set that result to Value. Super-enhanced color/sat afterwards. It's amazing how many different presentations there are for the same image! Yours is a little overcooked even for me but it does give it an almost cartoon-like quality. Thanks for giving it a go! Jeff Mar 11, 2010 at 09:58 PM

lylejk Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #19 · Iron Horse 2 Guess I could have "toned" down the result. lol Mar 12, 2010 at 12:30 AM

Kaden K. Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #20 · Iron Horse 2 Phenomenal images. Mar 12, 2010 at 12:45 AM

simdoc1 Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #21 · Iron Horse 2 Kaden K. wrote: Phenomenal images. Thanks very much, Kaden! Jeff Mar 12, 2010 at 02:21 AM

moody_blue Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #22 · Iron Horse 2 nice striking images, although i really wish you had taken a symetrical shot, by standing in the middle of the building. A high contrast processing to such a shot might overcome the inherent business of the scene and create something nice? Mar 12, 2010 at 04:46 AM

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