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Jim_Escalante
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A few years ago, I decided to take photos to sell off some items on ebay. After reading a bunch about light tents, I decided to build one. I got a bit too interested in constructing the tent. I used pvc 1/2 inch pipe and lots and lots of couplers, T joints and other type of elbow joints. As mentioned earlier, no single approach solves all photo challenges. Since I was taking photos of a range of items, from shinny mirror like objects to dull surfaces, I quickly realized that I needed to add flags and some boards to keep the camera's reflection from showing up in the image. I also stretched some rip stop nylon on a few pvc frames to add to the sides for the times that I wanted some diffusion. It was a bit more expensive when I decided to cut pvc pipe into 4 inch pieces and join all of them with couplers so that I could customize the tent to different sizes. I thought of this as a modular design experiment. Or maybe a lego set for guys who spend too much time in their man caves. If you want to see a Rube Goldberg version of a light tent. This link will display them on my flickr steram. I had fun making it, but honestly, I think I could have built a simpler tent. I did sell enough on ebay to recouped my money! I was using old sunpak 611 handle mount flash guns from the grand old 1970's. I took these photos to remind me how to set it up. I never intended to share them on the net. ha!

Feb 10, 2010 at 10:51 PM
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Greg Feldman wrote: ...An analogy: ...A new guy comes in and says "Hi everyone. I want to improve my winter-driving skills, so I'm looking for instructions on building a snow plow for my car." Some people might point him to plow instructions, but it would benefit him more to recognize that he's going down the wrong road.

Sophistic analogy.

The correct analogy would be that a guy comes in and says "Hi everyone. I'm looking for instructions on building a snow plow for my car."


Feb 11, 2010 at 05:25 AM
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I can't understand why some guys get their knickers in a twist about the advice others give, attempting to moderate the discussion by editorializing about what is appropriate or not about the advice of others. Third-party editorializing, not broadening the context of the question in the response, is what derails threads into non-productive tangents. If you don't agree with a suggestion or comment I have posted, contribute one which you feel is more effective, sans editorials about the appropriateness of my advice. You are not the moderator and if you stop trying to police what I and others do by editorializing about it you might not get so upset or indignant, thinking others arrogant for painting outside the lines you define. If you didn't ask the question, give the person who did credit for sorting out the advice offered to determine what works for him, even if you don't agree with it.

As I read the full context of the question Carfur didn't just ask how to build a light tent, he asked how to build a light tent to photograph orchids. He also mentioned the desire to do it with minimal outlay of cash. While it is true Catfur didn't ask how best to illuminate orchids, I don't think broadening discussion of whether using a light tent to photograph flowers is effective is out of context, especially when someone is looking for the least expensive solutions. Its like someone asking "What size hammer do I need?" when the best tool is a screwdriver they already have not buying a new hammer.

Light tent and similar reflective strategies are ideal for photographing objects like metal jewelry, glass and automobiles where broad areas of white reflections are used to create the illusion of shape, but its not a effective strategy, in general, for flowers, even waxy ones like the example he posted. A small light tent with small light sources outside of it would likely produce similar highlights in places which don't reveal the natural 3D shape as effectively as other strategies not requiring construction of a tent.

That's not to say a tent wouldn't be effective in some cases, only that there are simpler and more effective strategies he might want to try before going to the trouble and expense of constructing a tent:

1) Bouncing light off wall and ceiling behind the camera combined with rim lighting from behind -- a strategy which mimics the natural model of sun as backlight and sky as fill. Mimicking natural light character and direction is good starting baseline whenever natural looking lighting is desired. What a three-sided tent strategy lacks is a diffuse source of frontal fill, provided by the sky outdoors and mimicked by bouncing off a large wall behind the camera as suggested above.

2) Bare bulb fill in a small white room combined with rim lighting from behind -- This is similar to the strategy above but adds a point-source frontal component and specular catchlights to the mix. Set up in a small, white room like a tiled bathroom with white walls or spare bedroom with any dark objects covered with a white sheet. Place a bare bulb source or hot-shoe flash with a StoFen cap over the camera to bounce fill around the room and create a small specular highlight on the front of the flower. Change the position of the light relative to the camera to control where on the flower the catchlights appear. Natural lighting puts them on the upper surfaces, so raising the light above the flower will produce more natural modeling. Add the rim-lighting from behind or side to create background separation and enhance the illusion of 3D.

Ultimately only Catfur can decide what works best for him. Worst case in offering alternatives to a tent is taking a few minutes of his time to try the various alternate suggestions to see if they produces the results he desires before heading out to the fabric and hardware store to buy rip-stop nylon and PVC pipe. Best case he finds a way to get the results he is looking for without spending any money. Either way he'll likely learn more about lighting.

Isn't that the broader goal of the exercise here







Feb 11, 2010 at 02:18 PM
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This image is copyrighted by the owner

Feb 11, 2010 at 05:17 PM
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cgardner wrote:
As I read the full context of the question Carfur didn't just ask how to build a light tent, he asked how to build a light tent to photograph orchids. He also mentioned the desire to do it with minimal outlay of cash. While it is true Catfur didn't ask how best to illuminate orchids, I don't think broadening discussion of whether using a light tent to photograph flowers is effective is out of context, especially when someone is looking for the least expensive solutions. Its like someone asking "What size hammer do I need?" when the best tool is a screwdriver they already have not buying a new hammer.


Thank you.


Feb 11, 2010 at 05:40 PM
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cgardner wrote: ...While it is true Catfur didn't ask how best to illuminate orchids, I don't think broadening discussion of whether using a light tent to photograph flowers is effective is out of context, especially when someone is looking for the least expensive solutions.

True enough, except for one thing; it wasn't just an expansion of the topic. There was a definite undercurrent of "I know better than you what you need," "you're thowing equipment at a problem you don't understand," etc.

I wouldn't get my knickers in such a twist if t was an isolated incident, but it's not.


Feb 11, 2010 at 07:15 PM
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Imagine if Sergio Motola had entered the discussion, I reckon we'd be at 5 pages already and all with the original poster wondring "hey, all I wanted to know is how to build a light tent?"...... haha

OT.
Chuck: I've often wondered why don't we have one or 2 of your threads on lighting pinned at the top for the forum for the noobs to digest.
It could be called "You want the rub on lighting, read THE TOWEL". I'm not having a dig, just would make sense with the seemingly similar questions that get asked and the punters could make their mind up if they want another slant on a problem/solutions.

You do offer a lot of great/technical advice but I reckon those in the know do get fed up reading the towel, seeing the girl and horse, the hall, the pots 'n' pans, the party, the A3 sized response, which is what usually happens about now. Hey, as I said, I'm not having a go at you. You blokes on the Nothern Hemisphere do seem to be rattier than usual, must be that you're all snowed in???? .......

Oh yeah, hate light tents! ha

Cheers Gaz


Feb 11, 2010 at 07:34 PM
 



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I will dig out my old home made one in a little bit

look at this link

http://digital-photography-school.com/how-to-make-a-inexpensive-light-tent

best

steve


Feb 12, 2010 at 03:37 AM
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BrianO wrote:
I wouldn't get my knickers in such a twist if t was an isolated incident, but it's not.


The part you aren't getting here is that YOU ARE NOT THE MODERATOR who gets to decide what is appropriate. If you simply stop trying to assume that role by editorializing about the advice and analogies of others and trying to set boundaries on the discussion based on what you think is appropriate, your blood pressure will be lower and threads will stay on the topic of lighting.

As for it being not being an "isolated incident"? I was addressing my comment to the poster, who I don't recall ever interacting with.



Feb 12, 2010 at 01:46 PM
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cgardner wrote:
BrianO wrote:
I wouldn't get my knickers in such a twist if t was an isolated incident, but it's not.


The part you aren't getting here is that YOU ARE NOT THE MODERATOR who gets to decide what is appropriate. If you simply stop trying to assume that role by editorializing about the advice and analogies of others and trying to set boundaries on the discussion based on what you think is appropriate, your blood pressure will be lower and threads will stay on the topic of lighting.

As for it being not being an "isolated incident"? I was addressing my comment to the poster, who I don't recall ever interacting with.


But neither are you the moderator who gets to tell him not to complain about it. He has just as much right to complain about things as you have the right to post. So why are you telling him not to complain


Feb 13, 2010 at 02:12 PM
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A comment to the OP, if he is still following this flame war:

With the pop up light tents on eBay so cheap, why build your own?

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As for light tents, or not light tents; they have their uses. But there are a lot of experts around who figure that anything everybody else is using is crap (Look at the idea that a 50mm lens on 35mm was crap, for an example.)

I made the mistake of commenting that you can do some creative lighting with a light tent and even posted examples, that got me some of the above expert opinion too. If someone does not know how to use a light tent, when it is appropriate, and when it is not, they do not have anything useful to say about them. It's sort of like telling a carpenter he should never use a framing hammer; a light tent, like a framing hammer, is a tool, that's all it is.



Feb 13, 2010 at 10:31 PM
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I am thinking of how I will build one to photograph a variety of objects here soon.

I am thinking the frame will be pvc tubing with plexiglass or those large light panels for the sides and a fabric drape that goes from the top rear rod to the front lower rod that also drapes with a radius so there is no seam to remove. The rest of the seams should never show any way just the lower rear seam needs to be hidden or arched. I then would use my existing speedlights to light the subject through the white diffusion panels I can even light the bottom if desired and a clear piece of plexi for reflection if desired.

if and when I begin this project I will take photos and and show you all.


Feb 14, 2010 at 03:01 AM
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If you need a black backdrop that photographs as black, not grey (or gray...)...

Go to the fabric store and get real velvet (black, of course). Way better than flock paper. Do not accept velveteen; it doesn't work.....

Good luck with your tent.


Feb 14, 2010 at 08:01 PM
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