Second - I really hope they make a 60D or that 7D price drops very significantly. New rebel specs are nice, but I am not upgrading my 40D to a smaller, less ergonomic body...
paulfeng wrote:
Some 60D predictions from me:
Same AF as 50D, maybe with minor improvements. Viewfinder might have some LCD features?
Onboard wireless flash command, like the 7D. This adds real value (no need to buy a master flash or ST-E2) and takes away a Nikon Dx0 selling point.
How about an articulating rear LCD screen...could be another distinguishing feature to seperate it from the just announced T2i. You know it's coming sooner or later...the 7D, 1DIV, & now the T2i didn't incorporate the articulating screen so maybe the 60D?
nads wrote:
You do realize that this list is simple to the point that the whole statement is rediculous.
First of all, Toyota makes what, 16 models?
Second if you look at the available trim versions of the three you listed you will find there are 5 corollas, 5 camrys and 3 avalons. Each of which have 5 or more sub trim levels. You can literally pick from over 100 individual price points with unique feature sets.
You can do the same with DSLR with lenses, flashes, and other accessories. In the end, a 7D is still a 7D and a Corolla is still a Corolla. Doesn't matter the trim level, the engine choices are the same.
omarlyn wrote:
How about an articulating rear LCD screen...could be another distinguishing feature to seperate it from the just announced T2i. You know it's coming sooner or later...the 7D, 1DIV, & now the T2i didn't incorporate the articulating screen so maybe the 60D?
Omar
Articilating screens don't belong on mid level DSLRs. They are a gimmick for entry level DSLRs to entice people from point and shoots. Articilating screens are more fragile and cover less areas.
omarlyn wrote:
How about an articulating rear LCD screen...could be another distinguishing feature to seperate it from the just announced T2i. You know it's coming sooner or later...the 7D, 1DIV, & now the T2i didn't incorporate the articulating screen so maybe the 60D?
Omar
Canongarcon wrote:
Articilating screens don't belong on mid level DSLRs. They are a gimmick for entry level DSLRs to entice people from point and shoots. Articilating screens are more fragile and cover less areas.
Well, while I partially agree with you that articulating screens are (sometimes) gimmicky & (often) more fragile, my point was regardless whether you think articulating screens are good or not, they are definately coming...Olympus, Sony, & Nikon all have them so it's only a matter of time before Canon places one on a DSLR too. Just like video has been incorporated (whether or not you want it) so too will the articulating screen come to pass...I don't know which Canon will be the first but it will happen.
The Canon service guy posting to that thread (on another website) that someone linked recently said this:
"I would definitely suggest you upgrade to the 50D, but wait a couple months as its rumored that the newer 60D will be coming out and the 50D will see a price drop."
Canongarcon wrote:
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Articilating screens don't belong on mid level DSLRs. They are a gimmick for entry level DSLRs to entice people from point and shoots. Articilating screens are more fragile and cover less areas.
I'm not sure that I agree with this. Shooting on a tripod using Liveview while being able to tilt the screen would be a huge advantage at times.
rhorta wrote:
I'm still convinced that Canon has decided to add another segment to its line up
1Ds/1D pro
xD/7D pro-sumer high end (new segment)
5D/XXD pro-sumer
Ruy
If we consider the 5DII pro-sumer / non high end , then what's going to differ the high-end xD from the 1Ds series ?
Only the integrated battery grip and the 100% viewfinder ?
Unless they keep the 21mp sensor and just add a couple fps , i don't think that's possible
michael49 wrote:
I'm not sure that I agree with this. Shooting on a tripod using Liveview while being able to tilt the screen would be a huge advantage at times.
Nikons lineup of D3000, D5000, D90, D300s looks just as overcrowded. I expect if you look at sales volumes there's a lot of scope for small price differentials in this part of the market. A lot more buyers will be choosing between a 1000D and a 450/500/550D than will be decising on a 7D or 5DII.
Canongarcon wrote:
You can do the same with DSLR with lenses, flashes, and other accessories. In the end, a 7D is still a 7D and a Corolla is still a Corolla. Doesn't matter the trim level, the engine choices are the same.
This is absurd. The multiple engines (which ARE available), transmissions, and options like leather seats, navigation, and sunroofs are in no way similar to accesories like lenses or flashes. They are as integral to the original purchase as control wheels, viewfinders and burst rates because once the product is purchased the buyer cannot change these features.
A fully loaded, 2.4L corolla is to the 1.8L automatic corolla and the 1.8L manual corolla what the 50d is to the 500d and 1000d.
They may all say corolla on the back, however if they offer different features at different price points then they are not the same product.
Orestis.Ch wrote:
If we consider the 5DII pro-sumer / non high end , then what's going to differ the high-end xD from the 1Ds series ?
Only the integrated battery grip and the 100% viewfinder ?
Unless they keep the 21mp sensor and just add a couple fps , i don't think that's possible
The AF-system, perhaps speed, Custom functions.
So yes, basically a baby 1Ds
I have to admit, the logistics of a 60d coming out aren't favorable, but Canon consistently does strange things, so you never know. From where I stand, the perfect camera lineup that sits within what they're coming up with is:
T2i (7D without the pro features or build)
7D (1.6 crop, 18mp, some pro features including weather sealing and focus).
Addition of a 3D (or call it whatever)(FF, 16mp [so as to leave the 1Ds4 king], some pro features including weather sealing and focus). The event camera masterpiece.
5D2 (High res multi-media do it all blitzcam). The Indy film camera.
1D4 (1.3 crop, full pro features, high FPS). The photoj camera.
1Ds4 (32mp, full pro features, resolution monster). The advertising camera.
There may just be room for a 60d in this lineup, as there could be a price point between the T2i and 7D that's too vast for the consumer market for Canon to ignore.
Canongarcon wrote:
You can do the same with DSLR with lenses, flashes, and other accessories. In the end, a 7D is still a 7D and a Corolla is still a Corolla. Doesn't matter the trim level, the engine choices are the same.
Engine choices? Lets see, the Camry has three at the least; a 4 cylinder, a 6 cylinder, and a hybrid. There is space for a 60D.
Also, to everyone hoping for a 3D, I'm fairly certain there is a much higher probability we will see a 60D before a 3D. Unless the 3D replaces the XXD line, as in, it is not the FF the 3D hopefuls are praying for.
cineski wrote:
...There may just be room for a 60d in this lineup, as there could be a price point between the T2i and 7D that's too vast for the consumer market for Canon to ignore.
I'll do you one better...not only do I believe the market will support a 60D but there's no reason not to have a 'noo-b' entry level Rebel kit priced at $400-$500. There probably aren't many (if any) members here on FM that would be interested in an entry level Rebel but (IMO) I believe there's a market that's being missed in between the bridge P&S cameras and a bottom-entry level DSLR that costs less than the current Canon Rebel.
omarlyn wrote:
I'll do you one better...not only do I believe the market will support a 60D but there's no reason not to have a 'noo-b' entry level Rebel kit priced at $400-$500. There probably aren't many (if any) members here on FM that would be interested in an entry level Rebel but (IMO) I believe there's a market that's being missed in between the bridge P&S cameras and a bottom-entry level DSLR that costs less than the current Canon Rebel.
