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p.15 #1 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems


The sky is falling.


Feb 07, 2010 at 04:33 AM
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Yamil R. Sued wrote
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IMHO, MA is a cheap fix for bad QC!!
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+1 This is called Kai Zen in the Japanese production-process; cut out the expensive handling (without loosing quality actually)

Best regards,

Bas



Feb 07, 2010 at 04:44 AM
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p.15 #3 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems


If you try holding the focus button down on other Canon 1 series models you get the same focusing noise in AI servo when focused on a stationary target. It is easier to hear on a non-USM lens. I tried it on a 1DMK3 with a Tamron 28-75 which has a noisier focus motor. I think it is the way the 1 series AF (at least in the 3 and 4) works. Forget about and go make some great images!





Feb 07, 2010 at 10:05 AM
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p.15 #4 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems


Got my gear back from canon due to MK4 FF issues.. sent body 300 & 500. Got it back from Jamesburg... Same FF issues.

Sigh...............



Feb 07, 2010 at 12:10 PM
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p.15 #5 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems


LouB wrote:
Got my gear back from canon due to MK4 FF issues.. sent body 300 & 500. Got it back from Jamesburg... Same FF issues.

Sigh...............


What is "FF"?



Feb 07, 2010 at 12:42 PM
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p.15 #6 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems


rd4tile wrote:
What is "FF"?


Front Focus



Feb 07, 2010 at 12:56 PM
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p.15 #7 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems


"Doctor, it hurts when I do this."

"Don't do that."

Why would anyone put a camera on a tripod and then hold down the shutter button continuously in AI servo mode while focusing on a static object?

Nill



Feb 07, 2010 at 01:21 PM
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Nill Toulme wrote:
"Doctor, it hurts when I do this."

"Don't do that."

Why would anyone put a camera on a tripod and then hold down the shutter button continuously in AI servo mode while focusing on a static object?

Nill


The opposite of that would be trying to shoot flying birds in one shot with a burst, that don't seem right does it?



Feb 07, 2010 at 01:28 PM
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Yes, I once (unintentionally) shot an entire soccer match that way, and no, it wasn't right.

Nill



Feb 07, 2010 at 01:45 PM
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p.15 #10 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems


kazman442 wrote:
The opposite of that would be trying to shoot flying birds in one shot with a burst, that don't seem right does it?


It will be worse than shooting the static object @ AI SERVO mode...



Feb 07, 2010 at 01:47 PM
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p.15 #11 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems


FretNoMore wrote:
The sky is falling.


, obviously the sky isn't falling ... and I didn't imply that it was.

Look, it should be obvious to everybody that all (both new and old) lenses are primarily a mechanical device and continuously wear out. If a new camera is designed, optimized, and tested by Canon's engineering staff using only factory calibrated perfect lenses and for some reason chattering and/or oscillations occur when using a few (not all) older lenses then Canon would not be aware of the issue and the Geritol lens population will subsequently wear out at a higher rate.

According to posts I've followed most of the folks (and there are only a few of them) that are having problems with the 1DmkIV and/or 1DmkIV+1.06F/W are having issues with older tried-and-true lenses that have worked well for years. Who knows for sure but perhaps Canon didn't adequately test using older lenses whose elements have a little slop (hysteresis) in their movement; of course this is just speculation on my part.

What is not speculation is the issue of vibrations. If you can hear an out-of-place vibration then you can bet the house that your lens is wearing out at a high rate.

The only lens I own that vibrates is my 28-135; the IS servo is chattering only when I make a dramatic move (i.e. a new composition) from one part of the scene to another. Once the camera settles on the new scene the IS vibration comes to a halt (thank goodness). My IS vibration of my 28-135 has been getting much worse over the last three years and eventually I'll have buy a replacement (sob, sniff, it's my favorite walk-about). I'm truly fortunate that the AF mechanism of the 28-135 has no vibration issues, only the IS mechanism has an issue.

Regards,

Joe Kurkjian



Feb 07, 2010 at 01:53 PM
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p.15 #12 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems


I frequently shoot static objects in AI servo, but I use the * button to AF and don't hold it down...

Nill



Feb 07, 2010 at 01:54 PM
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p.15 #13 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems


I use AI Servo for everything and just lift the thumb to stop focusing. With the Mark II and now with the Mark IV I don't see any difference. The Mark III was a different story and I had to use One shot to get reliable focusing on still targets with that one.


Feb 07, 2010 at 02:00 PM
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p.15 #14 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems


Joe,

Was this speculation?

"No, when IS is turned OFF and you are on a tripod with AI Servo AF enabled there should be zero hunting (after initial acquisition) if you keep the shutter button depressed; note, this is true only if both the lens and camera body don't have hardware issues."

Because "guaranteed" was the term you used.

I have my own suspicions regarding all these "problems" with F/W 1.06 but I wouldn't care to speculate about anything at this point (and I own one).







Feb 07, 2010 at 02:28 PM
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p.15 #15 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems


Nill Toulme wrote:
"Doctor, it hurts when I do this."

"Don't do that."

Nill





That sums it up nicely!



Feb 07, 2010 at 02:29 PM
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p.15 #16 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems


Nill Toulme wrote:
"Doctor, it hurts when I do this."

"Don't do that."

Nill


"... when I use Canon"

"Don't use Canon"








Feb 07, 2010 at 03:22 PM
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rd4tile wrote:
Joe,

Was this speculation?

"No, when IS is turned OFF and you are on a tripod with AI Servo AF enabled there should be zero hunting (after initial acquisition) if you keep the shutter button depressed; note, this is true only if both the lens and camera body don't have hardware issues."



No, that (above) is not speculation on my part; it has been confirmed by tests of many camera/lens combinations.

BTW, just so you know ... when I said "guarantee" I really meant it (and I don't use that term lightly). Also, like everybody else I take my turn at speculating but typically try to point out that I am speculating (as versus making a statement of fact).

Regards,

Joe Kurkjian



Feb 07, 2010 at 05:37 PM
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p.15 #18 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems


jkurkjia wrote:
"No, when IS is turned OFF and you are on a tripod with AI Servo AF enabled there should be zero hunting (after initial acquisition) if you keep the shutter button depressed; note, this is true only if both the lens and camera body don't have hardware issues."

No, that (above) is not speculation on my part; it has been confirmed by tests of many camera/lens combinations.

OK where are these MKIV tests?

The MKII is a different camera and no longer relevant.




Feb 08, 2010 at 12:37 AM
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p.15 #19 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems


Is anyone still having fw 1.06 issues?
Thanks!
Dan



Feb 08, 2010 at 09:53 AM
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p.15 #20 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems


Yesterday I did a shoot, outside, about 250 images, with 16-35/2.8II and 70-200/2.8IS.
AI servo.
it was very cloudy and foggy, but 99% pin sharp.

I couldn't use a 300 and 500mm, but I hope the results will be the same in a next shoot as yesterday.
the result of yesterday made me smile.



Feb 08, 2010 at 10:09 AM
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