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p.15 #1 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

ruimleal wrote:
Here lies all the blurriness of the images...

Well... no. Probably not. Read the entire thread, which mostly concludes that part of the article is almost certainly wrong.

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Mar 16, 2010 at 01:43 AM

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p.15 #2 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

A must see Dick Lyon's video, it is 1hr and 38 min so you may want to watch it later.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5655850487750051532#

Mar 16, 2010 at 02:05 AM

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p.15 #3 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Fair enough... that's probably about how long it will take you to work your way through that whole thread. ;-)

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Mar 16, 2010 at 02:31 AM

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p.15 #4 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Nill,

thank you for the thread it was very helpful concerning that I had to experiment all that when I bought the MarkIII.

At least now I know,scientifically, what causes the blur. And for many months I was thinking it was Superman

Let's hope Canon have a say on this, maybe some in camera stabilization. I'm expecting the 70-200 USM L IS II this week and let's see what the new stabilizer would bring.

Keep you posted.

Mar 16, 2010 at 02:41 AM

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p.15 #5 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

There is another firmware, do you think they may fix other problems that they maybe have not admitted to?

Check out http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/firm-e/eos1dm4/firmware.html

Jul 07, 2010 at 10:53 AM

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p.15 #6 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

luckyjon, thank you for the link I will test this one out for focus accuracy compared to 1.0.4 (that I currently have) and post feedback later on.

Jul 07, 2010 at 04:22 PM

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p.15 #7 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Nill Toulme wrote:
Fair enough... that's probably about how long it will take you to work your way through that whole thread. ;-)

Nill

AND wrap your head around all the information? Longer.

Jul 07, 2010 at 04:27 PM

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p.15 #8 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

luckyjon, just install it and one noticeable thing was how faster the start up of the camera is, now it's instantaneously available to shoot when switch on.

Will try to see how focus work later on has I have a good low light assignment and post my findings here. I will also try to downgrade it to 1.0.4 again to see if Canon is not fooling us out on the not so downgrade to 1.0.6 unless they have changed a lot of things with this firmware. Will try to check it out with Canon Germany.

Jul 07, 2010 at 04:55 PM

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p.15 #9 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Presumably 1.0.7 was just as stealthy as 1.0.5

Jul 08, 2010 at 10:13 AM

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p.15 #10 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Installed the software yesterday and what I noticed it's a much faster switch on and ready camera. It goes instantly ready. Also noticed that the flash sync speed is up to 1/300s maybe this has to do with the new flash coming out in August.

Try and downgrade to version 1.0.4 and reinstall 1.0.8 with no problem.

Currently on version 1.0.8 I will make some more tests today with a different environment to see how the lock focus issues are going but from what I tested yesterday with almost no light on the concert it looked much better on acquiring focus and stay in with the subject, but this is just a first quick analysis. Will have to make a better testing today.

Will keep you guys posted.

Jul 08, 2010 at 02:22 PM

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p.15 #11 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

ruimleal

I have also added the firmware and will see if I have any better captures on my birding trip tomorrow.
With I.0.6 it seemed much slowing locking on to a BIF than my 1Dmk 11 N

But my biggest problem so far is when using centre focus I get a lot of background noise.

Sorry my mine photos are birds.

John

Jul 08, 2010 at 03:14 PM

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p.15 #12 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

John thank you for the reply.

I think the focus issues addresses all of us. BIF, Concerts, Fashion,Sports. What I believe is that Canon needs to make a change on the sensors cause that's what causing the "blurred" and not in complete focus of some of the photos.

Maybe next generation. Keep us posted on this.

Thks for taking the time to test it out.

Rui

Jul 08, 2010 at 03:19 PM

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p.15 #13 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

ruimleal wrote:
A must see Dick Lyon's video, it is 1hr and 38 min so you may want to watch it later.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5655850487750051532#

WOW. A long video. Watched it all. The first 35 minutes are a timeline of the word "Pixel" Kinda boring.
But was very intrigued on how much these old timers know.

If you bumped into these guys on the street you'd think they would NOT have a clue about what a pixel was let alone bayer array etc.
And these guys are the ones who gave it to us!

The more you use these new gadgets etc, you get the feeling that technology has run off and left all the old guys behind and that every new I-phone or new camera or sensor was a brain child of some 24 yr old guy in college somewhere or a room full of young braniac 26 yr old fresh engineers.....
when in fact its still these old guys bringing us all the goodies.

It was absolutely refreshing to see this video. To see how smart these guys really are and how much the younger generation stands to learn from them.
I'll say this and I've always felt this way, but we(younger generation) need to become a spounge around these guys today....right now before they are all dead and gone.

See how many of those guys on his papers are now dead. Sure hope we have new upcomers that can "try" to fill the shoes.
Cause it sure seems they have all the answers.
Great link, thanks.

Jul 08, 2010 at 06:42 PM

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p.15 #14 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

ruimleal wrote:
... Also noticed that the flash sync speed is up to 1/300s maybe this has to do with the new flash coming out in August....

I'm pretty sure it was already 1/300.

luckyjon wrote:
...But my biggest problem so far is when using centre focus I get a lot of background noise. ...

What do you mean by this?

Nill

Jul 08, 2010 at 06:55 PM

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p.15 #15 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Hi Nill Give me 24 hours or so and I will try to post a example, with the exif info.

John

Jul 10, 2010 at 10:30 AM

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p.15 #16 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

I should have added the problem is only in certain shooting locations, otherwise the camera returns impressive low noise results

A location for example a bird on the ground with a lot of clutter around it, as for example stones.

Neat image is unable to clean it as it softens the subject also.

I will need to check if I kept any, I trashed most as non keepers.

John

Jul 10, 2010 at 10:41 AM

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p.15 #17 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

have you tryed lightroom3 ive managed to rescue images i had previously marked as trash
i am very impressed with the noise reduction not sure it fits with my workflow but thats an other story

Jul 10, 2010 at 10:46 AM

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p.15 #18 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

ruimleal wrote:
Installed the software yesterday and what I noticed it's a much faster switch on and ready camera. It goes instantly ready. Also noticed that the flash sync speed is up to 1/300s maybe this has to do with the new flash coming out in August.

Try and downgrade to version 1.0.4 and reinstall 1.0.8 with no problem.

Currently on version 1.0.8 I will make some more tests today with a different environment to see how the lock focus issues are going but from what I tested yesterday with almost no light on the concert it looked much better on acquiring focus and stay in with the subject, but this is just a first quick analysis. Will have to make a better testing today.

Will keep you guys posted.

I know people here try to find a lot of new things and specs everytime a new firmware is out

But,

1. The start up time is about the same as before

2. And it takes the same time as before to get ready for the first shot.

3. The flash sync time is also the same as before

4. And AF focus lock is the same also

Jul 10, 2010 at 10:52 AM

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p.15 #19 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Lars Johnsson. wow there's a name from the past. I spent many hours enjoying you work, I need to see where you were posting, after a computer crash I lost many favorites

Jul 10, 2010 at 12:23 PM

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p.15 #20 · Mark IV Firmware 1.0.6 problems

Lars,

in fact maybe you are right. It's the same of everything, except this time I can focus, lock and track subjects on a much darker environment which with 1.0.6 I could not and that I'm pretty sure. Maybe the rest I did not pay much attention as I never sync at faster than 1/200 and I can tell you that I'm not trying to find new things to report on.

I just wish canon would not have made this new sensors where at flash sync speed 1/160 with apertures around f11 you could not freeze the subjects very well

and this is a common issue with the 5D MarkII. I've been using Canon for quite some time since the release of the 10D's so I'm know what I'm talking about here. It's insane to try and using speed of 1/400 and above in every conditions to keep things sharp lately I find myself using high ISO's where I would never used them on my previous 1D MarkII and 1D MarkIIn only after the release of the MarkIII this started to happen.

Don't know you but I feel a little disappointing on spending thousands of euros on Canon gear only to find out that sometimes you get the pictures in complete sharpness and some other times not so in sharpness and I'm not talking on sequences� Just the typical point focus recompose shoot situation.

Not trying to go into the Canon/Nikon war here and that was never y intention, just saying that for a 4.500 euros camera it should performed much better on focus acquisition and overall sharpness. I see myself erasing a lot of pictures because of the "blur" thing. And now comparing that with the old sensors of the 1D MarkII man that sucks completely.

Just want to let you guys know that I find that the focus is much more stable than the previous 1.0.6 and I can now lock on successfully on a much darker environment. Been testing the 1.0.8 to exhaustion this previous 2 days under low concert lights and it locks much better than my previous 1.0.4 (I never updated to the 1.0.6 and in fact I did return in back to 1.0.4 after updating because of bad lock focus issues on servo mode) either on Servo and 1 shot mode. Not saying it's a real wonderful thing... but I feel it's much better in getting consistent sharp pictures.

If anyone has updated please let me know your thoughts on this matter and on other fields. as football season is starting in August I will keep you posted on my findings on servo mode under stressed football conditions, but for now I'm much happier with this 1.0.8 firm.

Jul 10, 2010 at 02:44 PM


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