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60D and 3D

Jan 29, 2010 at 03:20 AM

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60D and 3D

3D would be great!

Jan 29, 2010 at 03:30 AM

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4D

Jan 29, 2010 at 03:33 AM

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Rumors are generally worth almost as much as you pay for them... ;-)

That said, several places have mentioned a "rebel" class DSLR and possibly a 60D. There has been some talk about a 1Ds4, but some speculation that it is too soon for that. Usually they announce less stuff than we think they'll announce.

Who knows?

Dan

dolina wrote:
I know the rumor sites are suspect as they speculate so much that they eventually hit something right. But there are reports that Canon will announce two new bodies and three new lenses.

I'm guessing the new bodies are product refreshes for either the 1Ds3, 50D or Rebel XS. While the lenses are something connected to the Winter Games & World Cup like the 70-200/2.8L II IS?

Your thoughts or wishes?

Jan 29, 2010 at 03:36 AM

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60D and 3D

And what is the 3D rumored to be?

Jan 29, 2010 at 04:18 AM

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Mike Mohrmann wrote:
digitalbug30d wrote:
60D and 3D

And what is the 3D rumored to be?

FF body in 3D

Jan 29, 2010 at 04:56 AM

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Sobax wrote:
Mike Mohrmann wrote:
digitalbug30d wrote:
60D and 3D

And what is the 3D rumored to be?

FF body in 3D

Really?? It is hard to imagine Canon attempting to straddle the line between the 5D2 and the 7D. That would be approaching the D700, which I would be quite happy with.

Looking forward to the 60D and a new DRebel in this announcement ...

Jan 29, 2010 at 05:06 AM

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60D no brainer 1.6 crop 15 mp digic5
3D a FF version of a 7D (16.7mp) digic4 x 2

Canon needs a 3D...but make it for 1999.99
in order that it wont interfere with 5Dmk3 sales at 2599.00

Jan 29, 2010 at 05:53 AM

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digitalbug30d wrote:
60D no brainer 1.6 crop 15 mp digic5
3D a FF version of a 7D (16.7mp) digic4 x 2

Canon needs a 3D...but make it for 1999.99
in order that it wont interfere with 5Dmk3 sales at 2599.00

A FF 7D for $300 extra, heck I'll take 2 at that price.

Now you need to stop smoking the wacky tobakky.

Jan 29, 2010 at 06:01 AM

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A 50D Replacement is due, I doubt we will see a 500D replacement till later this year since the 500D only went on sale last year.

Maybe Canon will announce a EF-S lens or two (EF-S 50-150 IS and a EF-S 30mm prime) along with the new camera?

Jan 29, 2010 at 06:06 AM

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p.2 #11 · Canon's February 9 Announcement?

Keep dreaming

Pixel Perfect wrote:

A FF 7D for $300 extra, heck I'll take 2 at that price.

Now you need to stop smoking the wacky tobakky.

Jan 29, 2010 at 06:13 AM

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Pixel Perfect wrote:
digitalbug30d wrote:
60D no brainer 1.6 crop 15 mp digic5
3D a FF version of a 7D (16.7mp) digic4 x 2

Canon needs a 3D...but make it for 1999.99
in order that it wont interfere with 5Dmk3 sales at 2599.00

A FF 7D for $300 extra, heck I'll take 2 at that price.

Now you need to stop smoking the wacky tobakky.

why not do a Sony an do a FF for under 2k..if Sony can so can Canon
Sony has done this with Blu-ray players and the PS3 build em and take a loss

Jan 29, 2010 at 06:51 AM

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digitalbug30d wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote:
digitalbug30d wrote:
60D no brainer 1.6 crop 15 mp digic5
3D a FF version of a 7D (16.7mp) digic4 x 2

Canon needs a 3D...but make it for 1999.99
in order that it wont interfere with 5Dmk3 sales at 2599.00

A FF 7D for $300 extra, heck I'll take 2 at that price.

Now you need to stop smoking the wacky tobakky.

why not do a Sony an do a FF for under 2k..if Sony can so can Canon
Sony has done this with Blu-ray players and the PS3 build em and take a loss

Yeah, but it won't be a 3D. The sony lacks some of the bells and whistles to get that price. No way a 7D with FF sensor would be under $2K. Maybe they'll confuse us and release a 9D that's FF and under $2K.

Jan 29, 2010 at 07:01 AM

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Sony can underprice because they have such *tiny* market share that they'll eat the loss just so that enough people will have bodies to use their lenses with.

There is no conceivable reason why Canon, being a DSLR market leader along with Nikon, should, or even could, do the same.

A lot of people seem to dream up absurd fantasies based on a complete misunderstanding of the technology and the market. Just because you *wish* it would happen doesn't mean it will, or even that it's possible. You may as well be wishing for a 500MP 35mm DSLR with 900 cross-type AF points all sensitive from f/1.0 to f/32, with zero noise, to go with your 100000mm f/0.7 super-duper telephoto that weighs only one pound and resolves 4000 lp/mm, all for $1. And the irony of this is that some people would still find reason to complain how it's not good enough or that it doesn't meet their needs.

Jan 29, 2010 at 07:10 AM

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Pixel Perfect wrote:
digitalbug30d wrote:
Pixel Perfect wrote:
digitalbug30d wrote:
60D no brainer 1.6 crop 15 mp digic5
3D a FF version of a 7D (16.7mp) digic4 x 2

Canon needs a 3D...but make it for 1999.99
in order that it wont interfere with 5Dmk3 sales at 2599.00

A FF 7D for $300 extra, heck I'll take 2 at that price.

Now you need to stop smoking the wacky tobakky.

why not do a Sony an do a FF for under 2k..if Sony can so can Canon
Sony has done this with Blu-ray players and the PS3 build em and take a loss

Yeah, but it won't be a 3D. The sony lacks some of the bells and whistles to get that price. No way a 7D with FF sensor would be under $2K. Maybe they'll confuse us and release a 9D that's FF and under $2K.
well why not a no frills FF that does the intended job...pictures no video ect

I look at the old EOS3 just a downgraded version of a 1v...Canon doesnt have this in their line-up the 5Dmk2 isnt it....like I refered back a 16.7 mp FF,with same metering and A/F as a the 1 series,no live view ect plain jane camera

Jan 29, 2010 at 07:15 AM

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I'm setting my sights a bit higher.

Jan 29, 2010 at 07:23 AM

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I think there is a misconception that removing features to create "no frills" or "basic functionality" cameras means companies can sell cameras for less. I think it goes the other way. Here's an example.

Before video, DSLR's already had the hardware necessary to do video. They just needed the software. Once that is written, it is probably largely portable to all camera tiers. So in this instance, the camera manufacturers take current HW, add a SW feature, then charge more for the camera. That's how you add value to charge more.

So, removing features like video and charging less would negatively impact profit, because the camera manufactures can't 'take anything out' of the camera to make them cheaper to produce. It's "just" software at that point.

Know what I mean? I've had some Mai Tai's so maybe I wasn't as eloquent in print as I sounded in my mind

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Jan 29, 2010 at 07:30 AM

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p.2 #18 · Canon's February 9 Announcement?

Bought a 5DII at Calumet this week. Salesman said Canon recently dropped its price $200. The store discount came to $100. Canon picked up the sales tax. Something afoot.

Jan 29, 2010 at 07:31 AM

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dwweiche wrote:
I think there is a misconception that removing features to create "no frills" or "basic functionality" cameras means companies can sell cameras for less. I think it goes the other way. Here's an example.

Before video, DSLR's already had the hardware necessary to do video. They just needed the software. Once that is written, it is probably largely portable to all camera tiers. So in this instance, the camera manufacturers take current HW, add a SW feature, then charge more for the camera. That's how you add value to charge more.

So, removing features like video and charging less would negatively impact profit, because the camera manufactures can't 'take anything out' of the camera to make them cheaper to produce. It's "just" software at that point.

Know what I mean? I've had some Mai Tai's so maybe I wasn't as eloquent in print as I sounded in my mind

well explain the 1v and EOS3
the problem is that people are driven by frills instead of functionality...
so if Canon choose to make a no frills camera like the Sony a850
there still other options for people who value frills over function

Jan 29, 2010 at 08:54 AM

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Yes, Canon can make an A850-like camera. I just suspect it doesn't make economic sense for them to do so.

I can't explain the 1v vs. EOS3 because I don't know them and never shot film SLR's, so you have me at at disadvantage. However I do know consumer electronics, which are what today's DSLR's really are I think. Companies make money by adding value via SW features. Product life-cycles are too short to gain much in cost-reducing the HW over time. Companies that don't realize this are usually in trouble.

I think it was explained above that we need to accept to a large degree that companies make products that are profitable, not necessarily what we always want. The exception are those instances where a company is willing to eat money to ship a product for some other strategic business reason. Maybe this is what Sony is doing. Don't know, I can only speculate on their gross margin (or loss) with the A850.

Jan 29, 2010 at 09:24 AM

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I see you also mentioned Live View as an example of a feature to remove. Again, this is similar to the video feature I used as an example. I am reasonably sure the 40D has everything needed in hardware to do Live View. There's just no SW in the 40D to do so. Canon adds the SW to add value to the 50D, and they can charge for it. Taking it out of the 50D doesn't make the camera cheaper to produce.

Things that might make the camera actually cheaper would be putting in an older Digic, older AF module, smaller sensor, smaller LCD, less cache for the buffer, etc... generally these aren't the things people most want removed from their ideal no-frills camera.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. Just having a conversation.

Jan 29, 2010 at 09:37 AM

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On the other hand, a cheaper and older AF module like the one in the 5D mkII is certainly a cost cutting measure. Now that the 7D's AF has been developed and I assume is as cheap to actually produce, there would be no economic reason to hold back on the 5D mkIII for example other than bloody mindedness.

Jan 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM

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Canon need to do something to rejuvenate their DSLR line, where they are lagging Nikon/Sony. Some of their stuff is so old hat that I can hardly wait until Feb. 9. The first camera they absolutely need to release is 7D MkII. I have no idea what the specs or IQ will be like, but I just pre-ordered one.

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Jan 29, 2010 at 11:15 AM

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philber wrote:
Canon need to do something to rejuvenate their DSLR line, where they are lagging Nikon/Sony. Some of their stuff is so old hat that I can hardly wait until Feb. 9. The first camera they absolutely need to release is 7D MkII. I have no ida what the specs or IQ will be like, but I just pre-ordered one.

I'm hoping for the 1D Mark V and an EF1000L IS F4 at 7 lbs.

Jan 29, 2010 at 11:30 AM

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Psychic1 wrote:
EF500L IS F4 with 5 stop IS at 7.5 lbs.
We have similar goals.

But what I want is a long white lens
- between 400-600
- f/4 or faster
- lightest of the three at under 3.9kg (7.5 lbs would be nice)
- 6 stops of IS (200/2L IS has 5, may as well ask for 6)
- $6,000 or cheaper.

But I'll bet it'll sell for around $8,000

Though unlikely a 180mm Macro with Hybrid IS.

After that I am so so done in this rat race unless Canon comes out with something longer than an 800.

Jan 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM


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