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p.1 #1 · Zeiss 21 Vs 24 TSE II Vs 24-70L


Lens Comparison:
Zeiss Distagon 21mm F2.8 ZE Vs Canon 24mm TSE L II F3.5 Vs Canon 24-70mm L F2.8

Obviously a high quality prime should be able to out perform a high quality zoom at the same focal length, but the idea was to see how big the difference is at 24mm. The Canon 24-70 was used @24mm, TSE was used unshifted, and of course the Zeiss at 21mm, all were tested at F3.5, 5.6 8.0. Indoor mages were shot during the day the length of my living room. Capture was with a 5DmkII in RAW and converted to JPEG (faithful and minimal sharpening) and cropped or viewed at 100% for review. Focusing for all lenses was using live view at 10X using the material covering the speakers in the center of the frame. The outdoor shots were captured in JPEG and represent very close to infinity focus, again 3 lenses at 3 f values. Other outdoor images on my deck were also systematically compared but not shown. None of the images were resized and thus the Zeiss 21 images are smaller than the 24mm crops.

F3.5
Center: The Zeiss and TSE were comparable in sharpness and both were sharper than the zoom. The more distant objects were sharper on the Zeiss.
Side: The TSE was sharper than the Zeiss! This may be due to the focal length difference between the center focus point and the placement of the side object. The Zeiss may have been back focused a bit, while the TSE has a curved focus plane and would do better with closer objects near the edges of the image. Comparatively, the zoom was rather blurry. The Zeiss has visible vignetting at this F value, which is gone by F 5.6. This is well documented in the reviews. In the outdoor shot, the Zeiss had slightly better contrast and sharpness over the TSE in the corners.

F5.6
Center: The Zeiss and TSE have comparable sharpness, while the zoom is now close in sharpness to the other two lenses. However, the Zeiss has the best contrast, followed closely by the TSE, which is better than the zoom.
Side: Again the Zeiss and TSE have comparable sharpness, while the zoom is less sharp than both the other two. Subjectively, it appears as if the zoom has the shallowest corner DOF at the same F stop. With the outdoor shot, the Zeiss has the best contrast, the zoom the worst.

F8.0
Center: The sharpness and contrast of all three lenses was quite comparable.
Side: The Zeiss and TSE have comparable sharpness and both were slightly better than the zoom. At this setting the Zeiss has slightly better corner contrast over the TSE in the outdoor shot.

Other:
The sharpness and contrast differences noted above were generally fairly small unless stated as more significant. All of the images were also sharpened a default 250, 0.3, 0 and compared. The image quality trends were identical to those noted above for the unsharpened counterparts, but usually to a lesser degree. When the unsharpened images were close in quality, the sharpened counterparts were even closer (or indistinguishable) in overall quality.
The barrel distortion of the Canon 24-70 f2.8 at 24mm was noticeable when switching between the zoom and TSE image. This would normally be partially corrected for by PT Lens during Raw conversion. The well known mustache distortion of the Zeiss was not evident in these shots. Both the Zeiss 21 f2.8 and Canon 24 TSE II have 82mm front threads and will take filters, but none used here.

Here is the album with a few of the test images. Make sure you are viewing at “original size”. For side by side comparison you may have to download the ones you want to study and move them around in PS.

http://www.fototime.com/inv/7B57A747906A721

I temporarily changed the permissions to allow viewers to download these images.

Summary:
Its not that the Zeiss compared poorly, its that the other two lens performed better than expected.
The Canon 24-70 at 24 mm did pretty well, and when stopped down to F8 was as good as the primes except a slightest softening at the edges on the FF image. At f5.6 the zoom was very sharp in the center, but again degraded at the edges. At f3.5 the zoom was clearly not as good as the other two lenses; don’t use it here when IQ is important.
The Canon 24 TSE II really did remarkably well, matching the legendary Zeiss at sharpness in almost all instances, and only dropping a bit in contrast at the edges. This trend suggests that full shift or significant tilt may compromise IQ somewhat as the edges of the image circle are used to a greater degree.
I will be using the Canon TSE as a 24mm prime even when TSE movements are not needed and don’t even remotely consider the Canon 24 f1.4 L II. For now I will keep the Zeiss as well, and see if I use the 3mm shorter focal length of the Zeiss Vs the TSE for compositional impact, corner sharpness, etc.
Mike K




Nov 22, 2009 at 08:35 PM
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Nov 22, 2009 at 10:35 PM
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p.1 #3 · Zeiss 21 Vs 24 TSE II Vs 24-70L


Thanks for all the work involved in this comparison. It is hard for me to pass judgement on the pictures, which, at less than 300Ko, are no more than 15% of the original 5D MkII RAW file size. The differences I see between Canon and Zeiss lenses are not primarily in terms of sharpness, but in terms of colour, contrast, vibrancy, and what Zeiss owners call the "3D effect". Such differences, should they matter, and that is a personal choice, affect each and every portion of every picture, unlike what happens in 100% crops of corners wide open.
There is a slight element of this visible in the chair shot (centre, f:5.6), and I suspect that there is much more difference in the full-resolution picture.
From there it is a matter of individual preference; I am clearly in the Zeiss camp, but that does not detract from the fact that the Canon TS-E is clearly a very good lens indeed. Plus, it shifts and tilts, whereas the Zeiss does not, but is 3mm wider.
Canon owners have gone in 2 years from not having really strong options in UWA to being spoilt for choice, and the OP is not the only one in choosing to keep more than one such lens for his needs. Member Bobu has the same two, plus 17 TS-E and Nikon 14-24....



Nov 23, 2009 at 03:18 AM
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p.1 #4 · Zeiss 21 Vs 24 TSE II Vs 24-70L


Not sure about colour, contrast, vibrancy, 3D effect, but I think the Canon is significantly better with respect to distortion and vignetting (wide open).

Not too long back people used to pan Canon's wide angle offerings, now there is a Canon wide that can hold it's own against the legendary 21 Distagon.

Kudos to Canon!!



Nov 23, 2009 at 03:52 AM
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p.1 #5 · Zeiss 21 Vs 24 TSE II Vs 24-70L


But where are the 16-35/2.8 II and 14-24/2.8?

Happy shooting,
Yakim.




Nov 23, 2009 at 04:25 AM
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p.1 #6 · Zeiss 21 Vs 24 TSE II Vs 24-70L


Yakim Peled wrote:
But where are the 16-35/2.8 II and 14-24/2.8?


And the 24f1.4L II?



Nov 23, 2009 at 04:48 AM
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p.1 #7 · Zeiss 21 Vs 24 TSE II Vs 24-70L


SKumar25 wrote:
Not too long back people used to pan Canon's wide angle offerings, now there is a Canon wide that can hold it's own against the legendary 21 Distagon.


More than one, in my experience, and only two of them tested here.

I'd never take anything away from the alt lens crowd, but one of the reasons I shoot Canon is for the lenses.



Nov 23, 2009 at 09:57 AM
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p.1 #8 · Zeiss 21 Vs 24 TSE II Vs 24-70L


I just retuned my 21 ZE I did not see enough in the prints I did to keep it. I will have to pick up one of the 24TSII and try it.
thanks charles354



Nov 23, 2009 at 11:07 AM
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p.1 #9 · Zeiss 21 Vs 24 TSE II Vs 24-70L


SKumar25 wrote:
Not sure about colour, contrast, vibrancy, 3D effect, but I think the Canon is significantly better with respect to distortion and vignetting (wide open).

Not too long back people used to pan Canon's wide angle offerings, now there is a Canon wide that can hold it's own against the legendary 21 Distagon.

Kudos to Canon!!


Fully agreed to all of your points. It is very difficult to evaluate with a few images (especially full frame of my living room) the vibrancy and 3D effect, etc. I did try to evaluate micro contrast and commented upon that. The Zeiss 21 seems a bit better than the TSE 24 in this regard. That is why I elected to keep the Zeiss for awhile and see how it appeals to me. After all, I have been waiting many years to give the legendary Zeiss a workout. I have several images from the TSE to already confirm it is an outstanding less that can yield images of emotional impact, and the lens movements are a big bonus.

Vignetting on the Zeiss is visible at 2.8-3.5 but it is gone soon after that. Perhaps due to the enhanced corner sharpness, lenses like this seem to provide more DOF than a comparable focal length lens (17-40 @ 21) would and provide an opportunity to use a bit wider aperture.
Incidently I did test the Canon 17-40 f4 @ 24 against the TSE 24 before I sold it to fund the Zeiss purchase. The corner softness and distortions were much worse than the 24-70 @ 24. I am keeping the 24-70, as a zoom its a workhorse for me, I just never use it wide open.
Mike K



Nov 23, 2009 at 01:08 PM
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p.1 #10 · Zeiss 21 Vs 24 TSE II Vs 24-70L


Does anyone know how well the Zeiss 21mm is dust/weather sealed? Particularly for use in dusty environments such as the Southwest.


Nov 23, 2009 at 01:27 PM
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p.1 #11 · Zeiss 21 Vs 24 TSE II Vs 24-70L


It's not weather sealed at all. I'm sure it's well built enough that dust won't be a HUGE problem, but it'd be nowhere near a 24LII.


Nov 23, 2009 at 01:44 PM





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