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p.1 #1 · Let's not forget the 1Ds Mark 1 ....

I recently sold my 1Ds II, but I couldn't be without a 1-Series body. You know how it is. 1-Series cameras are very addictive beasts. So I purchased a 1Ds Mark 1 from FMer mdraege. Near-mint. Less than 15,000 clicks. This is my 3rd 1Ds Mark 1 body.

This past weekend I took it out for a test drive. I didn't realize I'd had the camera accidentally set to the smallest JPEG size, around 2.7MP. No RAW files were shot that day. The images below were upsized from those tiny JPEGs to a little over 10MP, then resized for viewing here. The 1Ds Mark 1 remains a very impressive camera ... quirks, warts and all.

I've see one posted on the B&S board for $999. A bargain.

- Steve

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Nov 20, 2009 at 05:16 PM

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p.1 #2 · Let's not forget the 1Ds Mark 1 ....

Looks pretty good, especially considering they were upsized from 2.7mp files!

Nov 20, 2009 at 07:00 PM

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michael49 wrote:
Looks pretty good, especially considering they were upsized from 2.7mp files!

Well for the purpose of what's posted here, they were still _down_sized from the original. The fact that they did a stopover at 10MP doesn't matter much.

But yes I agree, I loved the 1Ds with my whole heart and my best photography was with it, too.

Nov 20, 2009 at 07:06 PM

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p.1 #4 · Let's not forget the 1Ds Mark 1 ....

I also recently purchased a used 1Ds ($1100). Since I also purchased a 7D around the same time, I haven't used it as much as I'd like.

The 7D is far sexier, the but the 1Ds is one solid piece of high-quality machinery. It's a bit slower to operate, but the build quality is top-notch. Focusing is spot on and image quality is great. It can be a bit noisy at higher ISO settings, but a properly exposed image will yield wonderful results.

Many regard the original 1Ds (circa 2002) as the first full-frame digital camera to largely usurp 35mm film with respect to overall IQ. I'm keeping mine for shooting, and as a collectors item.

It's a classic, for sure.

Nov 20, 2009 at 07:31 PM

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p.1 #5 · Let's not forget the 1Ds Mark 1 ....

I picked one up last year from a fellow FM'er to go with my classic 1D. Both cameras still turn out exceptional Images. I have no regrets at all.

Hal

Nov 20, 2009 at 09:14 PM

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p.1 #6 · Let's not forget the 1Ds Mark 1 ....

Nice pictures.I will have my first fullframe 1Ds in next week

Nov 20, 2009 at 09:45 PM

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p.1 #7 · Let's not forget the 1Ds Mark 1 ....

Nice shots Steve, somehow I thought there might be another 1Ds in your future, old habits die hard. As you look at shots from FF bodies, 1Ds, D700, D3, 5D, 12mp somehow does seem to be a sweet spot. Love the new high res sensors like the 5D2 but the 12mp images are sweet.

Dave:

Nov 20, 2009 at 09:55 PM

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davenfl wrote:
Nice shots Steve, somehow I thought there might be another 1Ds in your future, old habits die hard. As you look at shots from FF bodies, 1Ds, D700, D3, 5D, 12mp somehow does seem to be a sweet spot. Love the new high res sensors like the 5D2 but the 12mp images are sweet.
Dave:

Dave: I agree, and I've been thinking about this for quite a while. There seems to be an optimum balance between pixel size and sensor size when it's 11-12MP full frame and 8-10MP crop camera. (Point-and-shoots are another matter entirely.)

I had a long conversation with a fellow from Mamiya about this. His point of view is similar. He believes that a pixel size between 5.8 and 7.2 microns is ideal for a 35mm-sized sensor and that cramming more pixels into the same area, while it does provide superior detail and other benefits, trades off a certain photographic integrity for the sake of resolution ... in other words, the increased resolution may very well give up the "sweetness" you refer to. Perhaps this is why Nikon's first full-frame cameras were 12MP.

On the other hand, digital is still in its infancy. Lots of improvements to look forward to ....

- Steve

Nov 20, 2009 at 10:47 PM

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p.1 #9 · Let's not forget the 1Ds Mark 1 ....

That image quality is fantastic, what lens did you use for these?

Nov 21, 2009 at 12:45 AM

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Jkan2001 wrote:
That image quality is fantastic, what lens did you use for these?

Can we turn this into a guessing game? My guess is the 28-300L

Nov 21, 2009 at 12:51 AM

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reno.peterson wrote:
Jkan2001 wrote:
That image quality is fantastic, what lens did you use for these?

Can we turn this into a guessing game? My guess is the 28-300L

Lens was the 24-105L. No way I'd carry around a 1-Series with a 28-300. Been there. Done that. During the course of a shooting day, that's way too much weight for me.

- Steve

Nov 21, 2009 at 01:16 AM

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Take a look at this page:
http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArtistDetailAct&artistID=304&imageID=1407
Out of the four or five cameras used, two were the 1Ds.

- Steve

Nov 21, 2009 at 01:18 AM

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p.1 #13 · Let's not forget the 1Ds Mark 1 ....

how is the 1Ds compared to the 5D or 5D mkII ?

i have a 20d now, but would love to try a cheaper variant of full frame (5d mkI or 1Ds classic).

any comments/comparisons? etc?

Nov 21, 2009 at 01:21 AM

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stanj wrote:
Well for the purpose of what's posted here, they were still down sized from the original. The fact that they did a stopover at 10MP doesn't matter much. But yes I agree, I loved the 1Ds with my whole heart and my best photography was with it, too.

You are quite right. The resize downward doesn't provide an indication of how well the files moved upward to 10MP from 2.7MP. I only mentioned the resizing for information purposes. I'll upload some 100% crops of the upsized 10MP images to show you how far you can push the pixels of the 1Ds. To my eyes, it's iimpressive.

- Steve

Nov 21, 2009 at 01:33 AM

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veroman wrote:
reno.peterson wrote:
Jkan2001 wrote:
That image quality is fantastic, what lens did you use for these?

Can we turn this into a guessing game? My guess is the 28-300L

Lens was the 24-105L. No way I'd carry around a 1-Series with a 28-300. Been there. Done that. During the course of a shooting day, that's way too much weight for me.

- Steve

I had actually guessed the 24-105L and then in "jest" decided to play with the Kahuna Zoom...Nice combo....

Nov 21, 2009 at 01:45 AM

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veroman wrote:
Lens was the 24-105L. No way I'd carry around a 1-Series with a 28-300. Been there. Done that. During the course of a shooting day, that's way too much weight for me.

You have actually carried a 1-series body with a 28-300? I really think that with such a categorical statement you're seriously limiting yourself. There were a number of cases where having the 28-300 on the camera was deciding between shot and no / bad shot.

Nov 21, 2009 at 03:53 AM

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SYN ACK wrote:
how is the 1Ds compared to the 5D or 5D mkII ?

i have a 20d now, but would love to try a cheaper variant of full frame (5d mkI or 1Ds classic).

any comments/comparisons? etc?

For low ISO stuff I'd take the 1Ds over the 5D in a heartbeat. Against the 5D2, the IQ question is a whole different one - the 1Ds image seems sharper, in part because the 1Ds has a much weaker AA filter, but mostly because there's simply less resolution and lenses "look better". Then again, the 5D2 AF is still pathetic compared to the 1Ds. So, pick your poison.

Yes I've had them all.

Nov 21, 2009 at 03:55 AM

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veroman wrote:
Take a look at this page:
http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArtistDetailAct&artistID=304&imageID=1407
Out of the four or five cameras used, two were the 1Ds.

- Steve
and three were the 24-TSE ! =D (and i bet a 4th was too

Nov 21, 2009 at 04:18 AM

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p.1 #19 · Let's not forget the 1Ds Mark 1 ....

Wow, way oversharpened for my eyes - it hurts...... Can you post the pics without the over-processing?

Nov 21, 2009 at 02:58 PM

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stanj wrote:
You have actually carried a 1-series body with a 28-300? I really think that with such a categorical statement you're seriously limiting yourself .....

Not following you. What do you mean?

- Steve

Nov 21, 2009 at 03:17 PM

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laupi wrote:
Wow, way oversharpened for my eyes - it hurts...... Can you post the pics without the over-processing?
To my eyes, they're just sharp ... not oversharpened. USM was Amount 300, Radius 0.3, which is what Canon recommends for the 1Ds. It's not very much.

- Steve

Nov 21, 2009 at 03:22 PM

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veroman wrote:
stanj wrote:
You have actually carried a 1-series body with a 28-300? I really think that with such a categorical statement you're seriously limiting yourself .....

Not following you. What do you mean?

- Steve

You said: No way I'd carry around a 1-Series with a 28-300.. So I am asking if you have actually done it for some extended period of time. Also, "no way am I doing X" is an absolute statement, not accounting for unusual circumstances. For instance, out of a helicopter or a hot air balloon, the 28-300 is an absolutely awesome tool. But since you would never attach such a lens to a 1-series body, you just lost this option, and by limiting yourself to the 24-105 or similar, you're limiting your photography.

Nov 21, 2009 at 03:27 PM

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SYN ACK wrote:
how is the 1Ds compared to the 5D or 5D mkII ? i have a 20d now, but would love to try a cheaper variant of full frame (5d mkI or 1Ds classic). any comments/comparisons? etc?

This is a question and comparison that comes up all the time. There are probably 8 trillion threads about this, with the discussion pretty much ending up in the same place:

When everything is taken into consideration ... ie IQ, high ISO performance, versatility, LCD, battery life, dynamic range, write speed, etc., etc., etc ... the better camera overall is the 5D Mark 1 (and the Mark II is better than the Mark 1 in nearly every respect ... certainly in resolution of fine detail. Color accuracy is also superior with the Mark II).

But if you're willing to trade off some things ... like high ISO quality, write speed, weight, etc., etc., etc. ... the 1Ds has the edge over the 5D Mark 1 when it comes to IQ at ISO 100-640. Much more film-like imagery with a deeper, richer, sharper look.

The one area where the 1Ds has it all over both the 5D Mark 1 and Mark II is Auto-Focus speed and accuracy, something which should not be underrated. It can mean the difference between a great shot and a poor-to-bad one. The 1Ds is a dual-processor camera, as are all 1-Series cameras. The 5D and 5D II have a single processor doing everything, hence the slower and sometimes less accurate A/F.

I generally will recommend the 5D Mark 1 over the 1Ds to people like yourself going to full frame for the first time, especially when coming from a similar body like the 20D. The 1Ds is a very complex tool with a steep learning curve. Use it the way you'd use your 20D and you're likely to be disappointed with the results. It's a camera you have to ease into and coax the best out of.

I also own a 5D Mark II and a Nikon D2x. I would not own a 1Ds Mark 1 as my only camera.

- Steve

Nov 21, 2009 at 03:44 PM

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stanj wrote:
veroman wrote:
stanj wrote:
You have actually carried a 1-series body with a 28-300? I really think that with such a categorical statement you're seriously limiting yourself .....

Not following you. What do you mean?

- Steve

You said: No way I'd carry around a 1-Series with a 28-300.. So I am asking if you have actually done it for some extended period of time. Also, "no way am I doing X" is an absolute statement, not accounting for unusual circumstances. For instance, out of a helicopter or a hot air balloon, the 28-300 is an absolutely awesome tool. But since you would never attach such a lens to a 1-series body, you just lost this option, and by limiting yourself to the 24-105 or similar, you're limiting your photography.

Yes, I've used the 28-300 with a 1-Series body for an extended period of time. That's why I elected to use the 28-300 only with my 5D-series body.

- Steve

Nov 21, 2009 at 03:51 PM

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p.1 #25 · Let's not forget the 1Ds Mark 1 ....

Too bad the 1Ds sucks at high ISO...

Nov 22, 2009 at 02:49 AM


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