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Tad Killian
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p.2 #1 · Off season is killing me...


ok so i looked at your site and well.... there are about 10^ of your work where I said WTF were you thinking but 90% where I was like wow this dude is awesome. you have some really nice work. i think what your problem is your pricing is too low.

example... last week i was shopping for a car and I was looking at the mazda 6 and VW cc. the mazda 6 is a decent car but when I seen the price tag at $20k I thought it must not be that nice so I sent with the vw cc
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Nick took the words right out of my mouth, seriously.




Nov 15, 2009 at 04:20 AM
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p.2 #2 · Off season is killing me...


gravygraffix wrote:
Im not sure what is wrong, I'm not getting really any inquires anymore.
I used to get 3-4 a week now I'm lucky to get one a month.


To me, this part is really the biggest issue. If you're based on referrals, then when you're not shooting, no one new is seeing your work. So, if it's your off-season, it makes sense. I get WAY less inquiries in the off-season and lots of my inquiries come within 2 or 3 weeks of the wedding that they're referred by.



Nov 15, 2009 at 09:27 AM
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Tony, the ones I were getting were blind emails all spawned from google...

I think it quit when I put up a starting price, and cant say that is the exact reason, maybe I just weeded out all the <$800.00 brides.

I even did the free Gallery wrap for the most comments by dec 6th.... was going great, emailed some that said they'd hire me if i was close, offering to travel.



Nov 15, 2009 at 09:44 AM
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p.2 #4 · Off season is killing me...


TTLKurtis wrote:
I don't know how things are in Afghanistan, but we Americans like to get rid of as much money as we can.


Given the current U.S. economic situation... that's kind of obvious.



Nov 15, 2009 at 10:11 AM
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Gravy.. there is a very simple mantra that may help you here. It's something I use to constantly check my business "identity" and make sure everything I do passes the "sniff" test.

Come up one one sentence that identifies your business. It needs to be simple, accurate and most importantly, something you really feel. What grits is saying above is very, very true... if your busines appears schizophrenic it WILL affect bookings and fail to attract your clients. However, something as simple as a frilly logo combined with a biker guy photo will be enough to throw people for a loop.

For example - I see you talking about changing pricing but, as you said, it's not helping. That should tell you pricing is not an immediate factor in your area. What is then? I can't answer that for you obviously but come up with your sentence then test everything you do in your business against it. Where you advertise, the venues you work in, the logo, album design, etc... it all needs to fit your business model and you WILL attract like minded brides who want to hire you.

I hope this helps even though it is just a general commentary.



Nov 15, 2009 at 10:25 AM
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I'm convinced that the brides come to FM forums, see your avatar, and run away.

Seriously I have been getting very few inquiries lately myself, but I am on the low end of the scale so I compete with price-shopping alternatives. Since I increased my prices I am also losing the bid more often when I do get an inquiry. Slow bookings the last few months.



Nov 15, 2009 at 10:56 AM
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I think your work is very good... I like it. I would agree that you seem priced low for the quality of work I can see on your site.

As far as inquiries... all I can say is... your friends and family will be your biggest sales people. When I started a year ago, a friend in the business told me the first year is the worst. You HAVE to rely on your friends and family to sell you. If they don't believe in you enough to sell you, it will be very hard to convince people who don't you that you are capable. How did I do this? well, I literally consumed myself with wedding photography. I live it, eat it, and breath it. When talking with friends and family, I'd bring it up. I did offer a special promotion for the first 10 couples that booked... a free engagement session so we could build our portfolio... as we started to post those images. I think more and more friends and family members began to trust that we could do this and the marketing machine began. We shot 5 weddings this year and we already have 10 booked for next.

Rich



Nov 15, 2009 at 11:12 AM
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p.2 #8 · Off season is killing me...


Thanks Brian, I will see what I can come up with.

lol form... are you from henderson?

Thank you Rich. that means a lot. Hell the fact that I can post on here my shoots and actually get compliments and not ripped, I must be doing ok.

I use face book a lot to spread ma seeds, my girlfriend always has my back and has gotten my a lot of work one way or another.

I do not really have any family, my dad is back in my home town and the town is poverty stricken at best...no money at all type of town.... where im going to end up if I cant pull this together soon.

My mom is in Nashville, and never says anything about my work... what ever. no brothers or sisters. hell i even offered to come shoot their house when they were selling it, but no....

so yeah I dont have the big fam to push me.




Nov 15, 2009 at 11:53 AM
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My take:

You're a guy Seriously, with the name Shannon, and the about me picture, I thought you were the girl in it. That threw me for a loop. Although that has nothing to do with getting more inquiries, I'd be taken aback with an initial meeting thinking I was going to be meeting a girl and seeing you show up. haha.

Your about me section could use some serious work. I stumbled over the sentences just reading them in my head, and could barely get through it reading them out loud.(That is a good way, by the by, to see how your sentences flow. If you can write a sentence that has a nice spoken rhythm to it, it will translate well to someone reading it.) Try and find a family member who can write decently to take a crack at writing something nice about you. Last resort I'd say hire a writer, or at least a local newspaper columnist to help you out.

THIS ONE IS HUGE!!!!
Your email is neither a clickable mailto: or in a form. Just speaking from a lazy internet surfer, if I had to open a new window, go to my email account, come back to your site, copy your email, go back to the other window, paste your email....see what I'm getting at here?
A good suggestion for you since you use Wordpress would be to add the
"Contact Form 7" plugin to your site. It will give a nice, easy to use contact space and will keep people on your site instead of having to fiddle around with leaving it to get in touch with you. If that is too difficult to figure out, at the very least, make your email address clickable. It wouldn't hurt as well to give a business phone number in that section as well.

Personally, I would kill that links link at the top of your page. It's completely out of context and doesn't add anything to your site. In fact, it's a reason for people to leave your site, which is something you don't want them to do.

This is subjective and you may not agree, but the way you have your pricing WORDED, is not good at all. This is the line straight from your site. "Investments Start at 2400 for 8 hours" Right off the bat you are basically telling people you are charging them $300 an hour to shoot their wedding. Not only is it easy math to do right on the spot 8/24, but just how it's so blunt and in your face isn't very appealing. It's just price listing, but you'd be surprised at how well some flowery words and a masking of the price will do to get people to click further. Same goes for the rest of your pricing section. It's funny, but the only somewhat clearly stated part of your pricing section is that you offer discounts for off season days.

Galleries...
You need to get the galleries off the normal blog layout and into a gallery plugin on their own. I scrolled down through your wedding gallery just for kicks. It took me 91 aggressive spins of my mouse wheel to get through it. I'd give a bride looking through about 6 before they were off your page, especially given that you don't have your galleries listed in order where your best pictures are at the top. I think they are just the post archives from the main blog. You can upload a flash gallery onto your site and then you can edit that section of the Tofurious theme to have each of those gallery links "engagements, family, weddings" go to a different web address. If you need some help figuring out how to do that, send me a PM.

Ditch the Archives link at the top as well. Until you get a blog worth reading, you really don't need an Archive section at the top.

And to segway and finish this post, you need to write for your blog. The whole purpose of getting a blog is so that you can update it with more than just pictures. You can add key words to your posts and you can customize each of your post titles so that you get better page ranking through the search engines. It also doubles as a way to express yourself to the people coming to your site. Here's my take. If you want your photography to be just about the pictures, dump the blog site and get a flash site. If you want to be able to express yourself through not only the photos that you take, but also in writing about the weddings you are involved in, keep the blog style. How you have things set up now, you are overloading your blog with pictures and not taking advantage of the whole reason to have a blog site in the first place.

Okay, I'm finished.



Nov 15, 2009 at 12:08 PM
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p.2 #10 · Off season is killing me...


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Nov 15, 2009 at 12:25 PM
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I think your work is great - I love it! And I love the out of focus bride on the steps. I would leave it in - it is so obviously not a mistake. A lot of people like that kind of artsy look!

I do agree about the blog looking feminine - I think it's just the logo - I am new here, and was shocked to see you were (are) a man! But after seeing your work - I would hire you!

Good luck - wish I could give you some advice, but I can't.



Nov 15, 2009 at 12:48 PM
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wow great... so now im a girl... fail.

I guess I just dont see the feminine part of it...
red charcoal and tan.... not exactly pastel

well its too late to start using my middle name... thanx MOM! damm 70's...



Nov 15, 2009 at 12:55 PM
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your work is definitely great, but the short time i did spend on your web site, there were a couple of problems i encountered:

1. it took forever for me to scroll, as someone previously mentioned. when i got frustrated enough (this was only after i had seen a handful of images) and wanted to move on to another page or link, it took forever for me to scroll back up to your menu. i wanted to just quit.

2. i too thought you were the girl in the photo in your about section. and though you have a great smile, i thought you were the girl who looks like she didn't want to be in the photo at all and seems unapproachable (don't get me wrong, i'm sure she's lovely, that's just the impression i got).

3. you might want to work on your about me write up. it's lacking a friendly kick to it, imho.

hope this helps because you are a fantastic photographer! good luck.



Nov 15, 2009 at 03:17 PM
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OK, so as others have said, it's definately not your work that's letting you down at the moment.

What I would say from reading your site is that it totally lacked personality. I don't know about with you but over here brides look for two things, great pictures and somebody they can get along with who will add to their day. Really make sure you get some of you into both your blog posts and the about section.

If you want, post a new about me section here and I'm sure we'll all rip it to shreds until you get something good. Just whatever you do, make sure it matches with who you really are are the couples you're looking for.

Alex



Nov 15, 2009 at 04:08 PM
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I'll be honest, I have you hidden because I can only see that avatar so many times.

Aren't you moving to the Caribbean soon? If so, you should totally revamp your entire look with a light hearted destination wedding caribbean theme. Once you move out there I doubt you want to keep running back to Chicago or whever for old weddings you booked.

I'd do the photo withour your girl since your name does make it confusing. If she is your second shooter give her a profile on there as well. Maybe to match Caribbean them, you should be wearing a hawaiian shirt and straw hat or something, and a big smile.



Nov 15, 2009 at 04:58 PM
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shannon, shannon, shannon - put your other bio pic back up! at least that one looked better than just an uncomfy snap shot!

next thing - please remove this line immediately: "but also love to do families and head shots." people will not want you "doing" their families!



Nov 15, 2009 at 05:00 PM
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Ok I went from being a biker thug to being a pedo.... nice... lol

back to a similar pic for now...100,000 pics on my computer and 3 of them are of me....

Well I cant write anything about myself as I HATE talking about myself, so I guess Ill have the GF help me write something as shes great at it.

MPLS Glad you remember me... IF things work out it will be beginning of 2011 so i need to keep focus on stuff here at the moment.



Nov 15, 2009 at 05:42 PM
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Hi I'm Shannon Price, a wedding and people photographer from Chicago, northern Illinois. Living in a suburb of Chicago affords me to be able to cover many locations throughout the US.

I love travelling to new locations, meeting new people and capturing their most special day. I feel honoured that my passion for photography incorporates weddings as i love the buzz and excitement of weddings.

I love interacting with people and capturing their lives so am most happy when working with you whether that be family portraits or seniors. Please take some time to visit my Galleries and see some of the work I do. If you like what you see and I can help you please get in touch.

signed ps signature if you can Shannon


Nothing wrong with your current profile pic.

Good luck Joe,
now I'm going to work on my own



Nov 15, 2009 at 06:03 PM
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Nice JOE! ty!


Nov 15, 2009 at 06:12 PM
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Well, since the wagon is already broken down, I might as well pile on.

As Vic Pellicier posted, your old avatar sucked big time. Glad it's gone. But now you have replaced it with a very bad snapshot. Why not use the one that is currently on your About page? It is lots better.

As others have pointed out, the number of pictures on you site needs to be broken down into catagories. How many pictures do you have on each page? Seven Hundred?

If a picture is worth a thousand words, then you have created the Tower of Babel. Not good.

Get rid of the Links page. All you are doing is sending prospects away from your site. Why do you want to do that?

"... weather its weddings or family portraits, please get in touch." Aside from the crappy sentance structure, Weather is about clouds and rain. Whether is used to introduce an indirect question. Please have someone proof read your writeups.

Others have already told you about some of the other problems on you site. You've got to change that stuff.




Nov 15, 2009 at 07:14 PM
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