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DPR has their 7D review up

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p.2 #1 · DPR has their 7D review up

Ok so at the end of day, this is the summary at high ISO:

5D2 > 5D/1DM3/1Ds3 > 7D/40D (equal) > 450D/500D > 50D/400D

Nov 07, 2009 at 07:56 AM

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p.2 #2 · DPR has their 7D review up

Dawei Ye wrote:
Ok so at the end of day, this is the summary at high ISO:

5D2 > 5D/1DM3/1Ds3 > 7D/40D (equal) > 450D/500D > 50D/400D

5D2/1Ds3 > 5D/1DM3 > 7D > 40D/450D/500D/50D/400D

Nov 07, 2009 at 08:06 AM

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p.2 #3 · DPR has their 7D review up

A quote from respected pro beauty/fashion photographer Stephen Eastwood, as seen in his "first look at the 7D" article in this month's Digital SLR Photography magazine, comparing it to the 5D Mk II:

In terms of noise the 7D is truly amazing: there is barely any difference between the two cameras at the highest ISO - and the 5D Mk II is no slouch to be compared with...

In the rest of the piece it is clear that he doesn't just mean highest ISOs but high ISO in general.

Nov 07, 2009 at 08:58 AM

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p.2 #4 · DPR has their 7D review up

alundeb wrote:
Dawei Ye wrote:
Ok so at the end of day, this is the summary at high ISO:

5D2 > 5D/1DM3/1Ds3 > 7D/40D (equal) > 450D/500D > 50D/400D

5D2/1Ds3 > 5D/1DM3 > 7D > 40D/450D/500D/50D/400D

Let's not argue but I disagree

the 1D3 is better than the 1Ds3 at the pixel level and identical at the image level. The 5D2 is all but the same, but a teeny bit better at like ISO 3200 and above.

The 40D is better than the 7D at the pixel level, but similar at the image level

These are all based on my own tests

Nov 07, 2009 at 02:03 PM

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p.2 #5 · DPR has their 7D review up

That's fine, Dawei, we disagree knowingly

You said "at the end of the day", so I won't call it a day until we get hard numbers from DxO

Nov 07, 2009 at 02:17 PM

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p.2 #6 · DPR has their 7D review up

It's funny how the 1D and 5D owners don't like the 7D too much.
Feel threatened much?
The 7D is a superior camera to the 5DII in every way sans the bigger sensor and whatever else goes along with it.

Nov 07, 2009 at 02:45 PM

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p.2 #7 · DPR has their 7D review up

I don't think 1D and 5D owners feel threatened...because nothing is stopping them from buying one. I think the frustration is more from the fact that it isn't well specified enough to meet the needs of those with 1 series/5D's ( primarily FF sensor issue)

Nov 07, 2009 at 03:08 PM

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Elisha82 wrote:
It's funny how the 1D and 5D owners don't like the 7D too much.
Feel threatened much?
The 7D is a superior camera to the 5DII in every way sans the bigger sensor and whatever else goes along with it.

Why should anyone feel threatened? Don't we all just take photos? Is there a race here somewhere that I missed out on?

Some people just need to get out more.

Nov 07, 2009 at 03:10 PM

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p.2 #9 · DPR has their 7D review up

Anyone who thinks the 7D's ISO performance is as good as the 5DII's is VERY much mistaken. I picked up a 7D a couple of weeks ago, and just returned it yesterday. The level of detail captured by the 7D simply cannot touch a 5DII, and its ISO performance at/above 1600, while VERY good for an APS-C, again can't touch the 5DII's.

That said, I loved the new control layout, and the AF system blows away the 5D II's. But I know, for my needs (i.e. portraits/wedding photography), there's no Canon body as good as the 5DII's in the "small body" form factor.

Nov 07, 2009 at 03:19 PM

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Dawei Ye wrote:
I don't think 1D and 5D owners feel threatened...because nothing is stopping them from buying one. I think the frustration is more from the fact that it isn't well specified enough to meet the needs of those with 1 series/5D's ( primarily FF sensor issue)

Canon never claimed it to be. It is a CROP camera so what is the point of comparing it with a FF or APS-H?

Nov 07, 2009 at 03:46 PM

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p.2 #11 · DPR has their 7D review up

I won't say "VERY much mistaken" I would say "DUMB". The 5D II is of course is better than 7D for large print size. The AF comparison is like day and night. Overall 7D is a better camera for me until 3D (5D II with 7D features) shows up.

WilliamG wrote:
Anyone who thinks the 7D's ISO performance is as good as the 5DII's is VERY much mistaken. I picked up a 7D a couple of weeks ago, and just returned it yesterday. The level of detail captured by the 7D simply cannot touch a 5DII, and its ISO performance at/above 1600, while VERY good for an APS-C, again can't touch the 5DII's.

That said, I loved the new control layout, and the AF system blows away the 5D II's. But I know, for my needs (i.e. portraits/wedding photography), there's no Canon body as good as the 5DII's in the "small body" form factor.

Nov 07, 2009 at 03:49 PM

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kewlcanon wrote:
... until 3D (5D II with 7D features) shows up.

5D2 + 7D features = Less sales not only on 5D2 but also 7D and 1D4 = not gonna happen.

Nov 07, 2009 at 03:56 PM

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p.2 #13 · DPR has their 7D review up

I think it will work...the 5DX line is intended for affordable FF SLR than 3DX ( 5DX only has 9 or 13 AF points

). The 1D series will always have a faster processing/acquiring speed than other lines (just look at the price and weight

).

n0b0 wrote:
kewlcanon wrote:
... until 3D (5D II with 7D features) shows up.

5D2 + 7D features = Less sales not only on 5D2 but also 7D and 1D4 = not gonna happen.

Nov 07, 2009 at 04:02 PM

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p.2 #14 · DPR has their 7D review up

Disagree about 5D2+7D features = less sales. If the 5D2 had just even decent AF, I don't think there would be any compelling reason to use the D700

Nov 07, 2009 at 04:25 PM

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n0b0 wrote:
kewlcanon wrote:
... until 3D (5D II with 7D features) shows up.

5D2 + 7D features = Less sales not only on 5D2 but also 7D and 1D4 = not gonna happen.

Yes it is gonna happen, yes , yes yes , yes yes , yes. I'm already testing one! in my wet dreams but testing...

Nov 07, 2009 at 04:25 PM

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alundeb:
...so I won't call it a day until we get hard numbers from DxO

I am actually waiting for these numbers very anxiously. Do you have an idea if we have to wait long? It may silly to some but after all the confusion (completely contradicting opinions about EOS 7D, as far as IQ is concerned), I am going to make up my mind on the day I see DxO test results.

Nov 07, 2009 at 05:14 PM

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Elisha82:
Canon never claimed it to be. It is a CROP camera so what is the point of comparing it with a FF or APS-H?

It is just a camera. It does not matter what sensor it has - it has to be compared with other cameras' IQ. What are you comparing it with?

Nov 07, 2009 at 05:17 PM

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Nov 07, 2009 at 05:22 PM

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Dawei Ye wrote:
Disagree about 5D2+7D features = less sales. If the 5D2 had just even decent AF, I don't think there would be any compelling reason to use the D700

Thing is, if Canon really felt threatened by that D700, we would've had a 3D now, not a 7D.

As it is, Canon already has 1Ds + 1D and 5D + 7D. I really don't see a 3D fitting anywhere in there as it would affect the sales of those cameras.

If there is a 3D, some features will have to be crippled so it won't affect their sales. What do you think that would be?

Nov 07, 2009 at 05:33 PM

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p.2 #20 · DPR has their 7D review up

No it's not that..Canon is just slowwwwwwwww...3D will come soon..when ? I don't know..will it be perfect...no...expensive...sure...

n0b0 wrote:
Dawei Ye wrote:
Disagree about 5D2+7D features = less sales. If the 5D2 had just even decent AF, I don't think there would be any compelling reason to use the D700

Thing is, if Canon really felt threatened by that D700, we would've had a 3D now, not a 7D.

As it is, Canon already has 1Ds + 1D and 5D + 7D. I really don't see a 3D fitting anywhere in there as it would affect the sales of those cameras.

If there is a 3D, some features will have to be crippled so it won't affect their sales. What do you think that would be?

Nov 07, 2009 at 05:44 PM

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n0b0 wrote:
5D2 + 7D features = Less sales not only on 5D2 but also 7D and 1D4 = not gonna happen.

not gonna happen = hello, Nikon D800

Nov 07, 2009 at 06:26 PM

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Nov 07, 2009 at 07:00 PM

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globalkiwi wrote:

Just bought a 7D by any chance?

Elisha82 wrote:
It's funny how the 1D and 5D owners don't like the 7D too much.
Feel threatened much?
The 7D is a superior camera to the 5DII in every way sans the bigger sensor and whatever else goes along with it.

Have had it for a month now.
Don't see why anyone would want to compare a $1700 camera to a $2700 camera and say the $1700 one is worse.
I've used a 5DII and it is a lovely camera and awesome sensor. But that's the only advantage it has compared to the 7D.
the 5DII will never excel in sports or birding just like the 7D will not beat the 5DII in landscape or studio work.

Seems like those who paid 1k more for the 5DII need to keep commenting on how much better their camera is when the comparison is not from a level playing field.

Sure sound like an inferiority complex to me

Nov 07, 2009 at 07:00 PM

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Elisha82 wrote:
It's funny how the 1D and 5D owners don't like the 7D too much.
Feel threatened much?
The 7D is a superior camera to the 5DII in every way sans the bigger sensor and whatever else goes along with it.

Well some of us have both 5D2 and 7D so what is going on with us then?

a superior inferiority complex or just plain nuts?

anyway my take is the 7D does really well at higher ISO for an APS_C camera (but of course not as well as a 5D2, as only to be expected, aside from having less pattern banding which in the most extreme photos where everything is almost totally dark it might actually look a little better than the 5D2) but either through design or QC it has this weird issue that makes it do a lot worse, at least so far, at the lowest few ISOs than it should, it seems like it could do fantastically there too if only the G1 and G2 were in balance. Maybe ACR 5.6 will pull of a miracle....

yeah the fps and general body performance are WAYYYYYYY faster than with the 5D2 and it does have a lot more reach (although to this point, but hopefully not forever, that comes with some annoying artifacts)

hmm is your last name Cuthbert haha

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Nov 07, 2009 at 07:01 PM

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p.2 #25 · DPR has their 7D review up

skibum5 wrote:
Well some of us have both 5D2 and 7D

No arguments there.
Most bashers either only tried it for a brief moment or don't even own one.
It is currently the best CROP camera out at the moment bar none.
And I'm impressed how Canon is on the ball with firmware updates.

Nov 07, 2009 at 07:10 PM


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