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p.2 #1 · Curious... why no master 1DIV thread?

They are too busy whining about the 7D and have forgotten about the 1D IV. Maybe it's better we don't have a sticky, it'll just get bogged down in crap.

Nov 05, 2009 at 05:03 AM

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p.2 #2 · Curious... why no master 1DIV thread?

Daan B wrote:

Maybe this time the Canon mobsters don't want any negative publicity... Maybe they visited FM HQ to make sure that doesn't happen

I heard about the black helicopters, but it's not just FM. They've been traveling the world like Santa Clause on Christmas, but actually more like the Grinch stealing information, pictures, and excitement.

Nov 05, 2009 at 02:24 PM

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p.2 #3 · Curious... why no master 1DIV thread?

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... For starters, I ain't gonna give them $5k for "that", nor anywhere near it, even if the camera could fly on its own after ducks and take their pictures at the same time.

Ummm...I would definitely pay them $5K for that.

Nov 05, 2009 at 03:58 PM

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wtlloyd wrote:
PetKal wrote:
... For starters, I ain't gonna give them $5k for "that", nor anywhere near it, even if the camera could fly on its own after ducks and take their pictures at the same time.

Ummm...I would definitely pay them $5K for that.

Heck, I'd drop $5k if it could just fly on its own! No need to bother ducks all the time. Geese are more annoying any way, ducks deserve a break

Nov 05, 2009 at 04:38 PM

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p.2 #5 · Curious... why no master 1DIV thread?

I emailed Chuck Westfall at Canon this morning. His response is below.

Hi, David:

There is nothing unusual going on with the EOS-1D Mark IV. The camera was announced on 10/20, and initial shipments are scheduled to begin approximately 60 days later as per the press release. This interval between announcement and shipment is basically the same as most other EOS-1D class cameras. Canon is simply using this time to make final tweaks to the camera's firmware before it goes into mass production. The 1D Mark IV samples shown at PhotoPlus were working samples, but they are pre-production cameras with beta firmware that will never be sold to customers. That is the main reason why Canon prefers not to release those cameras for editorial review.

You'll be seeing plenty of sample images once the firmware has been finalized. Thanks for your interest!

Hmmm... 10/20/2009 + 60 days = 12/19/2009?

Nov 05, 2009 at 05:27 PM

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p.2 #6 · Curious... why no master 1DIV thread?

I've had a couple on months break from FM - weather actually been good in the UK so I was out taking pictures. Went to Canon USA site to update DPP last night and saw the 1D4 specs for the first time. I went straight to FM, expecting a frenzy of threads and there were none.

I think that the lack of interest in th 1D4 is a combination of three things.

1 - Recession
2 - 1D3 problems
3 - 7D

People either cannot justify the cost, don't trust it yet or have gone along th 7D path.

Craig.

Nov 05, 2009 at 06:06 PM

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p.2 #7 · Curious... why no master 1DIV thread?

Actually, I think the real reason is simply that no-one has one yet & very few sample images are available. There was a flurry of interest when the specs were published but I think most people are waiting to gauge the camera's real-world performance. Not much point starting threads until there's something to fill them with (though, yes, I know, that hasn't always stopped us in the past

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Nov 05, 2009 at 06:20 PM

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p.2 #8 · Curious... why no master 1DIV thread?

I think Craig makes good points, but from my perspective, my only real interest in the Mk IV is my hope that it will push the III's and II's down in price. As much as I'd love to own one (a IV), it doesn't seem to be so much a Mark IV as it does a Mark III b. We'll see.

I think the biggest overall factor contributing to the silence is the Mark III AF issues still are fresh in everyone's minds, so the hush is a "wait-and-see" hush. Personally, I hope this camera kicks some serious butt.

Nov 05, 2009 at 06:40 PM

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sskoutas wrote:
...it doesn't seem to be so much a Mark IV as it does a Mark III b.

In your mind what would qualify as a Mark IV? Let's see, the announced Mark IV has a totally new focus system, a new LCD, a new sensor, and two of the latest Digic chips. It also has HD video to include 24p. I'm sorry if this camera doesn't meet your criteria, but if you'd like to see an incremental upgrade look back to the 1DII vs 1DIIn or the 20D vs 30D. Oh yeah, those were the days when Canon was the DSLR leader.

Now, if it will produce quality images without ghosts or plaid patterns...

Nov 05, 2009 at 07:22 PM

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globalkiwi wrote:
Actually, I think the real reason is simply that no-one has one yet & very few sample images are available.

Yyyup. So according to David's email, it'll be another 40-odd days until we start seeing real world samples

sskoutas wrote:
I think Craig makes good points, but from my perspective, my only real interest in the Mk IV is my hope that it will push the III's and II's down in price. As much as I'd love to own one (a IV), it doesn't seem to be so much a Mark IV as it does a Mark III b. We'll see.

I played with a friend's 500D today, and video quality is superb. Video is the dark horse of photography.
Or is it the elephant in the room?

Nov 05, 2009 at 07:40 PM

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Adam L wrote:
I played with a friend's 500D today, and video quality is superb. Video is the dark horse of photography.
Or is it the elephant in the room?

I am sure it is one reason 5DMK2 sales are through the roof. I expect every Canon DSLR from here on out will have video capabilities.

Nov 05, 2009 at 09:46 PM

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sskoutas wrote:
...it doesn't seem to be so much a Mark IV as it does a Mark III b.

In your mind what would qualify as a Mark IV? Let's see, the announced Mark IV has a totally new focus system, a new LCD, a new sensor, and two of the latest Digic chips. It also has HD video to include 24p. I'm sorry if this camera doesn't meet your criteria, but if you'd like to see an incremental upgrade look back to the 1DII vs 1DIIn or the 20D vs 30D. Oh yeah, those were the days when Canon was the DSLR leader.

Now, if it will produce quality images without ghosts or plaid patterns...

regarding "meeting my criteria" I thought I said I'd love to own one. I'm not knocking this body at all... I just think that from a performance perspective, it isn't a huge leap ahead of the Mark III. The AF was necessary... do you really think they would ship a new body with "the same AF as the Mark III?" The sensor bumps up the MPs again... no shocker there and, in my world, no great gain. New chips? Yay! What's it doing except bringing the burst rate down slightly from 30 RAW to 28 RAW (yes, larger files).

From a functional standpoint, this is a Mark III with fixes and video added to bring it up to par with 2009 DSLRs.

That said, it still looks to me like a wonderful body, and I repeat, I hope this camera kicks serious butt both at retail level and in the field.

Nov 06, 2009 at 05:12 PM

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jerrykur wrote:
Adam L wrote:
I played with a friend's 500D today, and video quality is superb. Video is the dark horse of photography.
Or is it the elephant in the room?

I am sure it is one reason 5DMK2 sales are through the roof. I expect every Canon DSLR from here on out will have video capabilities.

No doubt there... and I think it is one of two driving force items leading to this release. 1.) Video. 2.) Getting past the MkIII AF problem.

Nov 06, 2009 at 05:14 PM

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p.2 #14 · Curious... why no master 1DIV thread?

I'm also curious why there isn't a 1D4 master thread. It obviously is the best DSLR ever produced. It is a MASSIVE upgrade over the 1D3 (60% rez improvement, herculean AF and tracking improvement, ISO improvement, etc. etc.). And thank God it is 1.3x instead of a rez-and-reach-castrated or overpriced FF. Nothing deserves a master thread as much as the 1D4. Now, if we could just find some way to channel the FF-head whiners about the 1.3x into a whiners thread, then the rest of us 1.3x-philes could have a good-old-time.

Nov 07, 2009 at 04:20 AM

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p.2 #15 · Curious... why no master 1DIV thread?

sskoutas wrote:What's it doing except bringing the burst rate down slightly from 30 RAW to 28 RAW (yes, larger files).

That's not really a concern, since fast mode 6 CF cards will clear the buffer fast enough to obliterate those "rated" burst rate frame numbers. I'm eyeing either the new Lexar Professional 600x or the Sandisk Extreme Pro 90Mb/s for my December delight.

Nov 07, 2009 at 04:26 AM

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craigy wrote:
I think that the lack of interest in th 1D4 is a combination of three things.

1 - Recession
2 - 1D3 problems
3 - 7D

People either cannot justify the cost, don't trust it yet or have gone along th 7D path.

For me, all three apply.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Nov 10, 2009 at 08:30 AM

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p.2 #17 · Curious... why no master 1DIV thread?

eh-hem. Public interest aside, I still think the 1DmkIV deserves it's own thread. Please?

Nov 13, 2009 at 03:55 AM

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p.2 #18 · Curious... why no master 1DIV thread?

I hate master threads anyway - whose got time to read 20 pages for answer to specific question.

Nov 13, 2009 at 04:38 AM

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digitalbug30d wrote:
why have another thread of bitching and chart scientists professing the trials and tribulations of Noise vs. SNR vs pixel density vs. really taking the damn pictures already...

for all your bitching about the chart peepers some of our (only barely started) websites already have far more photos up than yours

Nov 13, 2009 at 08:04 AM

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khurram1 wrote:
I hate master threads anyway - whose got time to read 20 pages for answer to specific question.

While I wish master threads would stay more on topic, they do have value.

Nov 13, 2009 at 02:44 PM

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Fidelity wrote:
I'm also curious why there isn't a 1D4 master thread. It obviously is the best DSLR ever produced. It is a MASSIVE upgrade over the 1D3 (60% rez improvement, herculean AF and tracking improvement, ISO improvement, etc. etc.). And thank God it is 1.3x instead of a rez- and-reach-castrated or overpriced FF. Nothing deserves a master thread as much as the 1D4. Now, if we could just find some way to channel the FF-head whiners about the 1.3x into a whiners thread, then the rest of us 1.3x-philes could have a good-old-time.

I often come across the lack of reach with the FF version compared to 1.3x crop, wonder why?

Pixel density wise (per sq. c.m.) -
1D 0.7 MP (Sep.'01)......................1Ds 1.3 MP (Sep'02)
1DII/n 1.5 MP (Jan'04)...................1DsII 1.9 MP (Sep'04)
1DIII 1.9 MP (Feb'07).....................1DsIII 2.4 MP (Aug'07)
1DIV 3.1 MP (Oct'09)..........................

(Taken from DPR)

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Nov 13, 2009 at 04:08 PM

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p.2 #22 · Curious... why no master 1DIV thread?

"Video is the dark horse of photography.
Or is it the elephant in the room?"

i think it's the howler monkey astride a majestic canadian moose.

Nov 13, 2009 at 04:24 PM

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p.2 #23 · Curious... why no master 1DIV thread?

jamesf99 wrote:
Then, a few months later, when people realize that they don't have a staff of 43 people to help with video production and processing (ala the shill video from Laforet where a full 1/3 of it was "credits") the reality will set in.

43 people? Have you worked on any small video shoots. 3.4 people is closer to reality.

Nov 13, 2009 at 04:26 PM

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p.2 #24 · Curious... why no master 1DIV thread?

abam wrote:

i think it's the howler monkey astride a majestic canadian moose.

i don't know what that means but I like it

Nov 13, 2009 at 08:01 PM


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