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p.3 #1 · Lens fangus protection


globalkiwi wrote:
The gist is: you are not in a high humidity area, your lenses aren't likely to be invaded by fungus.



It is relative to 100 or 500 years period but not to the climate shifts we are witnessing lately and I some provided facts to you. Besides it could be dry outside and humid inside, if you read this thread you will figure that many people concerning about same. My concern is more related to the cost of lens and no insurance coverage for mold damage.



Nov 02, 2009 at 05:00 PM
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p.3 #2 · Lens fangus protection


Breitling, I have seen humid indoor enviroments do a lot of damage. I think you are smart to be concerned. I am in the remodeling biz and have attended seminars on mold. The humidity level inside the home can vary quite a bit even within the same neighborhood. Factors like damp crawl spaces, ground moisture, and improper ventilation can all contribute to high indoor humidity levels. If your furnace has a humidifier on it you can turn that down or off. My home maintains a very low 38% humidity level, but if yours is above 60% then I would take action to lower it. Your de-humidifier will probably be all you need, but as I've found out - better safe than sorry.

Sometimes a home can be over-insulated which can spike the indoor humidy levels. Too much wall/attic insulation and tight-sealing windows are some common culprits.

Excessive condensation on the inside of your windows when it's cold outside is a red flag. You're probably getting scared over nothing because most homes are fine, but it is worth investigating with expensive lenses like your 500 sitting around.



Nov 02, 2009 at 05:07 PM
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p.3 #3 · Lens fangus protection


I'm not sure where the 100-500 comes in, again, I was quoting figures from October 2009 - figures you linked me to! You don't live in a high humidity area & lens fungus isn't likely to be a real problem. New Jersey isn't the Phillipines.

But suit yourself. If it makes you feel better to spend money on a de-humidifer etc. - go for it!

(You seem to be resistant to hearing anything different anyway ).



Nov 02, 2009 at 05:10 PM
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p.3 #4 · Lens fangus protection


Dehumidifier is expensive... and it uses up electricity. If you store all your gear in a cabinet, why don't you just put some moisture absober like Damprid in the cabinet and open the window a bit to let the air in?

http://www.damprid.com/index034c.html



Nov 02, 2009 at 05:30 PM
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p.3 #5 · Lens fangus protection


Leonid, don't get carried away with your de-humidifier scheme either. There is a danger to excessive dryness too. For one, you might desiccate all rubber rings and gaskets on your lenses. Furthermore, lubricants in your 500, 300 etc. might dry out and/or solidify/gum-up way prematurely resulting in failures of moving parts like focusing assembly. Lastly, many interior lens components like glass and fluorite elements are set in and stabilized in situ using a plastic sealant (caulking). A very bad news if that starts to dry out.


Nov 02, 2009 at 05:32 PM
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p.3 #6 · Lens fangus protection


Here's the ultimate solution, the Acme Shooting Sphere. Hermetically sealed, environmentally controlled:

http://www.kinetics.co.nz/newssite/PublishingImages/bubble_boy.jpg




Nov 02, 2009 at 05:43 PM
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p.3 #7 · Lens fangus protection


cgardner wrote:
Here's the ultimate solution, the Acme Shooting Sphere. Hermetically sealed, environmentally controlled:



Cool. Fill it with helium and get into aerial survey photography.



Nov 02, 2009 at 06:07 PM
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p.3 #8 · Lens fangus protection


Is fangus better or worse than fungus?

From the Urban Dictionary:

Fangus

1. A pungent, clumpy substance that looks and smells quite disgusting to the average westerner. Certain cultures consider it edible, but none find it appetizing. It is only eaten by outcasts or by those who have little else to eat. However, a few affluent people still eat it despite its nausea-inducing flavor, to the dismay of more civilized citizens.

2. A bizarre Indian delicacy quite unpopular in the United States. It is served chilled and can contain curry, potatoes, and/or [...deleted].



Nov 02, 2009 at 06:17 PM
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p.3 #9 · Lens fangus protection


globalkiwi wrote:
I'm not sure where the 100-500 comes in, again, I was quoting figures from October 2009 - figures you linked me to! You don't live in a high humidity area & lens fungus isn't likely to be a real problem. New Jersey isn't the Phillipines.

But suit yourself. If it makes you feel better to spend money on a de-humidifer etc. - go for it!

(You seem to be resistant to hearing anything different anyway ).



I am resistant to the one who is arguing anywhere and anyplace without reason and facts. You or Vers etc on this forum are normally opposing any posts. So, what is new?



Nov 02, 2009 at 06:44 PM
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PetKal wrote:
Leonid, don't get carried away with your de-humidifier scheme either. There is a danger to excessive dryness too. For one, you might desiccate all rubber rings and gaskets on your lenses. Furthermore, lubricants in your 500, 300 etc. might dry out and/or solidify/gum-up way prematurely resulting in failures of moving parts like focusing assembly. Lastly, many interior lens components like glass and fluorite elements are set in and stabilized in situ using a plastic sealant (caulking). A very bad news if that starts to dry out.


Correct, but that is covered by insurance or warranty ...



Nov 02, 2009 at 06:46 PM
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cgardner wrote:
Here's the ultimate solution, the Acme Shooting Sphere. Hermetically sealed, environmentally controlled:

http://www.kinetics.co.nz/newssite/PublishingImages/bubble_boy.jpg




How this could be hermetically sealed? In 15 min they will be out of air



Nov 02, 2009 at 06:47 PM
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mark fadely wrote:
Breitling, I have seen humid indoor enviroments do a lot of damage. I think you are smart to be concerned. I am in the remodeling biz and have attended seminars on mold. The humidity level inside the home can vary quite a bit even within the same neighborhood. Factors like damp crawl spaces, ground moisture, and improper ventilation can all contribute to high indoor humidity levels. If your furnace has a humidifier on it you can turn that down or off. My home maintains a very low 38% humidity level, but if yours is above 60% then I would
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Thanks, great response!



Nov 02, 2009 at 06:48 PM
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n0b0 wrote:
Dehumidifier is expensive...



Yes, if you only own one nifty-fifty no need of anything and that is expensive device. Agree ...




Nov 02, 2009 at 06:51 PM
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p.3 #14 · Lens fangus protection


Fungus infestation is a real problem for some.
And it's often a misunderstood problem.
I'm afraid I will have to respectfully disagree with some opinions posted here, even if they come from some great FM'ers, who are very experienced photographers.

Here's why.

I live on an island that has relative humidity levels that go from 60% to 100% (rare, but happens), depending on the time of the year.

When I started photographing, I lived in a house of a relative of mine, and owned several lenses without much problems or even concerns with fungus.
Once, one of my lenses got a fungus infestation. But it was the only lens I had bought used, so I thought that it came with spores inside when I bought it and they eventually grew. None of my other lenses had it, after all.
It was my least used lens. Hardly ever used it, in fact. Maybe twice while it was in my possession. Later on I found out it that was the problem, since it was always inside the bag and it was never used.
But at the time I didn't know that.

I then built my house and moved there. It is situated on the road next to the house where I used to live. It's like a 45 second walk between the two houses.
After just a very few months living there I decided to sell my 1DMIII (huge mistake btw) and get a 50d. There was a series of problems in between, including the 50d getting stolen in the mail (bought online). Long story short, I was without a camera for almost two months (give or take a week). The lenses were left stored inside the bag.
When I finally received the 50d, I reached for the bag and this was what I found out:
















You can imagine how I felt.
Close to having a heart attack is indeed an understatement.

Now, the main reason for this was no doubt the fact that the lenses were stored inside the bag for so long. No doubt about it.
However, that is not the whole story, and unfortunately it was not the only cause.

I had the lenses cleaned.
I then started to stored them inside a glass cabinet with an incandescent light bulb inside, to lower humidity inside. The light was on the whole day, and I just turned it off during the night (between 11PM and 07AM.
However, some very small spots of fungus re-emerged, even with the lenses conditioned like that.

Take into consideration I never had any special care with the lenses in my previous house. I say again, it's a 45 second walk from it to my current house. Even with humidity level under control between 07AM-23PM everyday in my new house (something I never did in the previous house, not even close), fungus infestation stroke again. How is this possible?


So now I bough this:

(sorry for the bad quality pic. It's late at night and I don't have the patience to take a proper one... )
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6047/p1000437modified.jpg


It is one of the best pieces of photography related gear I have ever bought. Well worth the price in my opinion, even if for the peace of mind alone.

I know many photographers live in places where humidity levels are over 70% most of the year and never had a problem. And know many in the same situation.

Most of the photographers on my island never ever had a problem with fungus.
In my previous house, I had a problem once with a lens I never used, that at the time I assumed with was because it was bought used. The others were always fine, and no special care was ever taken with them.
In my new house, even in a controlled environment most of the day, I had problems.
I don't know how to explain it.

All I know is that just because someone lives in a humid location and never had a problem doesn't mean his neighbour won't.

So a dry-cabinet is a safe bet, no doubt about it. Highly, highly recommended.
And the one I own is a very fine piece of equipment, and the company behind it backs their product and cares for customer satisfaction. One of the best post-sale customer support I ever had the pleasure of dealing with.
I will write a review of it tomorrow, in anyone is interested just check it tomorrow in the General Gear-talk sub-forum.

Hope this helps somehow.

P.S.
BTW, current lens coatings are so good that they block most UV rays, so the notion that UV rays will kill the fungus inside your L lenses when you point them directly at the sun is probably a flawed one.
However, leaving them in the sun for an hour or so will probably be good for the "cause" since temperatures will be rather high inside the lens, killing the fungus.

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Nov 02, 2009 at 06:52 PM
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globalkiwi wrote:
+1 Bad weather doesn't necessarily affect humidity that much (esp. indoors). This is New Jersey we're talking about, it simply doesn't get that humid there at this time of the year.



I am simply provided October 2009 statistics to this person and he still arguing ...



Nov 02, 2009 at 06:53 PM
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Why are you persisting with this? You've answered this post already. I simply used the very statistics you quoted to prove that - statistically - NJ is NOT a humid place (average humidity THIS October was 50%). You seem incapable of accepting this. If you don't want to deal with rational fact-based argument fine, as I said earlier, get yourself a dehummidifer & be happy. I'm not interested in pursuing this any further.


Nov 02, 2009 at 06:58 PM
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Is it good idea to put the lens in a plastic bag then store them in the drawers?


Nov 02, 2009 at 07:02 PM
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fraga wrote:
Fungus infestation is a real problem for some.
And it's often a misunderstood problem.
I'm afraid I will have to respectfully disagree with some opinions posted here, even if they come from some great FM'ers, who are very experienced photographers.

Here's why.



Luis, that's an excellent report of a real case of fungus infestation. Much appreciated. (That must have been a heart breaking discovery...I can imagine it.)



Nov 02, 2009 at 07:09 PM
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Dan Lai wrote:
Is it good idea to put the lens in a plastic bag then store them in the drawers?


Did you forget to include your winkie emoticon? You're joking, right?




Nov 02, 2009 at 07:14 PM
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Long story short, I was without a camera for almost two months (give or take a week). The lenses were left stored inside the bag.
When I finally received the 50d, I reached for the bag and this was what I found out:


Nearly every tale of lens fungus I hear starts with, "I took it out of my bag...."

Do not store your equipment in camera bags and cases! That's just asking for trouble.

Take into consideration I never had any special care with the lenses in my previous house. I say again, it's a 45 second walk from it to my current house. Even with humidity level under control between 07AM-23PM everyday in my new house (something I never did in the previous house, not even close), fungus infestation stroke again. How is this possible?

You had better have your current house checked for mold contamination. You may also be shortening your own life. How have you and your family been feeling lately?



Nov 02, 2009 at 07:14 PM
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