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p.1 #1 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


I know it's still really early, and that most people haven't had a chance to see the new 1D camera... but I was wondering for the few of those that has seen it, and got to use it, have you noticed the AF issue that the 1Dmk3 had?

I was at the PDN photoplus Expo last weekend, and I tried it out, and tried the test in Ai-servo, and noticed that the body I was testing had the focus issue. Now I didn't have a tripod, and I was in between 10-15 people, but I still think the results I got should not be as out of focus. The camera was set on AV, Ai-servo focus mode, I used the default auto focus (which are the 20 outer points like the 1Dmk3), and shot M jpegs in burst mode. Now in Live view, I noticed that the focus did track the subject quite well, so just pressing the shutter half way, the red box will move along the focus screen as the subject moves. However, actually taking the shot (without live view), I had trouble getting consistently focused image... and this was after two tests. Here are the samples below:

Attempt 1

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2584/4058899628_93ea19c7ab_o.jpg

Attempt 2


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2432/4058157159_f84a73fac1_o.jpg


I shot it again the next day, and got similar results, but I unfortunately lost those images due to a corrupt CF card. Now I'm really interested in maybe picking this camera up, but if it has focus issues like the 1Dmk3 did initially, then it will be a deal breaker for me. I just don't want to have to deal with it, or ship it back to canon, and then have it fixed, and sent back. So I was curious if anyone else who's tried or tested the camera out as well, specifically tried the Ai-servo focus test.


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Changed the title since it seemed to convey the wrong message to some.

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Nov 01, 2009 at 01:11 AM
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p.1 #2 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


Pilot error without a doubt 100%, The scenario that you've shot in using AI tells me you really haven't got much of an idea of how AF works or what mode of AF to use in which situations. Would that be correct? yes.


I'll give you 2 bobs worth of advice for free, Ai Servo is solely designed for moving subjects. not stationary objects.

Go and educate yourself on AF and then pick up the camera and try again.



Nov 01, 2009 at 01:23 AM
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p.1 #3 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


darryn patch wrote:
Pilot error without a doubt 100%, The scenario that you've shot in using AI tells me you really haven't got much of an idea of how AF works or what mode of AF to use in which situations. Would that be correct? yes.

I'll give you 2 bobs worth of advice for free, Ai Servo is solely designed for moving subjects. not stationary objects.

Go and educate yourself on AF and then pick up the camera and try again.


Kind of Testy there Darryn, you work for Canon It still should lock in better than it did... . Now get some decaf and chill Mate...



Nov 01, 2009 at 01:31 AM
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p.1 #4 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


Wow, you're slow!! I was expecting "issues" threads since last week.


Nov 01, 2009 at 01:33 AM
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p.1 #5 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


This is a bad joke, grow up, what you did is less than meaningless.

Dave



Nov 01, 2009 at 01:36 AM
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p.1 #6 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


Sahid Limon wrote:
I know it's still really early, and that most people haven't had a chance to see the new 1D camera... but I was wondering for the few of those that has seen it, and got to use it, have you noticed the AF issue that the 1Dmk3 had?

I was at the PDN photoplus Expo last weekend, and I tried it out, and tried the test in Ai-servo, and noticed that the body I was testing had the focus issue. Now I didn't have a tripod, and I was in between 10-15 people, but I still think the results I
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I really think that Canon is not so stupid that they would allow a camera with 'focus issues' out on the floor of the PDN trade show. They would be checking those things out all day long.

A 1DMK4 isn't a pick up and get super results kind of camera, it might take some getting used to in order to get good results, that's how it was with my 1DMk2 and my 5DMK2. I also thought the AI servo was to be used on moving subjects so using the correct mode for the situation may help get better results. But I'm afraid that if it was a Nikon D3 they'd all be in focus.



Nov 01, 2009 at 02:06 AM
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p.1 #7 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


Used all focus points in a room with tons of clutter/busy background? That is a recipe for disaster. Also, depending on the speed setting for servo AF acquisition it can move between subjects in the scene quickly when cluttered. I have mine (1D3) set to medium slow (i.e., one notch left) and it makes a significant difference with keeping AF on the subject initially acquired.

BTW: notice on your second example, the coke can is what is being tracked...



Nov 01, 2009 at 02:13 AM
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p.1 #8 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


apdieb wrote:
Used all focus points in a room with tons of clutter/busy background? That is a recipe for disaster. Also, depending on the speed setting for servo AF acquisition it can move between subjects in the scene quickly when cluttered. I have mine (1D3) set to medium slow (i.e., one notch left) and it makes a significant difference with keeping AF on the subject initially acquired.

BTW: notice on your second example, the coke can is what is being tracked...


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Nov 01, 2009 at 02:52 AM
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p.1 #9 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


The 1D MK4 must have been thirsty in the second example


Nov 01, 2009 at 02:54 AM
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p.1 #10 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


I just get the shits when posts like this are made, Kinda like me getting in a Porsche and then getting out saying it wont do more than 30MPH because I don't know how to change gears.


Nov 01, 2009 at 03:22 AM
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p.1 #11 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


I'm with Darryn. This is a trolling, flamebait thread if ever I saw one.

A throwaway test of a camera, no previous knowledge or experience of setting up the AF, dubious choice of AF mode (multiple "live" AF points in a scene as busy as those!) - and it's the camera's fault?

And of course, the "test" is presented in such a way that there's no Exif to be had so that we could see which AF points had been activated.



Nov 01, 2009 at 04:18 AM
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p.1 #12 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


darryn patch wrote:
Pilot error without a doubt 100%, The scenario that you've shot in using AI tells me you really haven't got much of an idea of how AF works or what mode of AF to use in which situations. Would that be correct? yes.

I'll give you 2 bobs worth of advice for free, Ai Servo is solely designed for moving subjects. not stationary objects.

Go and educate yourself on AF and then pick up the camera and try again.


Wow... I had no idea that you knew everything about me and my knowledge of focusing and cameras. You even answered your own questions for me.... awesome. Just to clarify a bit though, I had a 1Dmk3 (not to mention used the 1Dmk2), so I am quite familiar with how AF works on a pro series Canon camera. I also know how the camera (1Dmk3) once had a hard time tracking and locking focus on a moving subject, and Canon had to ultimately admit their faults, and fix peoples cameras. If you don't believe me, just do a search on this forum or google, and a few of these focus issues may magically appear.

The subject in both of these images are NOT stationary, but walking to the left and slightly towards the nikon booth. It would be pretty silly to test Ai-servo function of a camera on a stationary subject, right? I specifically wanted to test the Ai-servo mode, since I knew the mk3 had issues with it. Focus was set on default, which as Canon claims... should lock focus on a moving subject without any problems. Yes, I could have changed the focusing to only the inner points or the center point, but why should I have to? The default setting, in this case the 45 points with the 20 outer points and 39 inner cross points, should easily be able to lock and track a moving subject without any problems... as Canon claims. Too many things in the way you say? Check out the Autofocus video from Canon here around the 3 min mark, where they claim that even with multiple subjects within the frame, as long as the initial lock is made on a subject, the camera should keep up... such as a sporting event with multiple players. Heck, as I already mentioned, the focus seemed to be just fine through live view, but didn't work as well when live view was off. The 1Dmk2N had no problems with this, and neither did the 1Dmk3 after the fixes. I do agree that on the 2nd example, the camera seems focused on the can, and ultimately focused to the subject that I had chosen. However, the first example, it started off great with the subject, and the just fell off.

Was this the ideal environment for a test? Absolutely not. Is my camera work perfect? No. Could this have been an user error? As I stated in the original message, it very well could have. I posted the topic to find the answers myself, as I want to know if I had just screwed up, or other FMers who tried the camera also saw a problem. Unless you happen to test out the camera at the floor as well, I don't think you should jump to the conclusion that I screwed up 100% on my end... because hey, cameras can have problems from time to time. I didn't post it to claim that the new mk4 cameras have a focus issue, or that they are not usable in Ai-servor. I posed a question that any prospective buyer may have, and wanted to know if anyone else had a similar experience who had a chance to test it out personally. So I'm not making a claim, but asking a questions. So I really don't see a reason for the flamming or attacking since I'm not doing such things to anyone else.

And of course, the "test" is presented in such a way that there's no Exif to be had so that we could see which AF points had been activated.

I thought it was pointless to upload all of the images one by one, and would be better to just post it in one file with smaller resolution. You want to see the images themselves, I'm uploading them now here, so go nuts.



Nov 01, 2009 at 04:49 AM
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p.1 #13 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


Firstly, I would expect better results.

Second, you need to get used to a cameras auto focusing modes to get the most out of it.

I have a Canon 1DIIn that I've used in the same sort of busy environments and it would do well. I have a Nikon D3 that wouldn't be so easily confused either.

Try it again, maybe get some advice from the experts at the Canon stand.




Nov 01, 2009 at 05:48 AM
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p.1 #14 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


Were these shot with the new 100mm macro IS lens?

When I was there last weekend I noticed that lens was hunting some but that can be expected with a macro lens.

I have some shots I took with the Mark IV and the 100mm macro IS, but was not able to get fast enough shutter speeds indoor at PDN to really test the servo mode.

Chad



Nov 01, 2009 at 06:18 AM
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p.1 #15 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


Sahid Limon wrote:
... I posed a question that any prospective buyer may have, and wanted to know if anyone else had a similar experience who had a chance to test it out personally. So I'm not making a claim, but asking a questions. So I really don't see a reason for the flamming or attacking since I'm not doing such things to anyone else.


You probably get flamed because you worded the title like those attention grabbing sensational headlines which article usually turn out to be nothing important.



Nov 01, 2009 at 06:34 AM
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p.1 #16 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


Mate I am going to be blunt.

I don't care what camera you had before or you think you know how to use, The way you have posted this thread says to me you know squat.

AI is designed to track movement toward and away from the camera, all these subjects are facing sideways so to that says they are walking across the frame which would mean that the subjects are basically on the same plain as they move and the camera is trying to find something moving becuase these peopel are NOT moving towards or away from the camera.

As I said, go and educate yourself on the way AF is designed to work because your perception of it is clearly wrong given the examples you've posted and your explanation of the subjects movements.



Nov 01, 2009 at 06:44 AM
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p.1 #17 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


The camera saw that huge Nikon logo and freaked out


Nov 01, 2009 at 07:06 AM
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p.1 #18 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


darryn patch wrote:
Mate I am going to be blunt.

I don't care what camera you had before or you think you know how to use, The way you have posted this thread says to me you know squat.

AI is designed to track movement toward and away from the camera, all these subjects are facing sideways so to that says they are walking across the frame which would mean that the subjects are basically on the same plain as they move and the camera is trying to find something moving becuase these peopel are NOT moving towards or away from the camera.

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What utter nonsense. AI Servo only does something coming towards or away from the camera. I should hope not.



Nov 01, 2009 at 07:20 AM
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p.1 #19 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


Gijs wrote:
The camera saw that huge Nikon logo and freaked out





Nov 01, 2009 at 07:20 AM
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p.1 #20 · Pre-production 1Dmk4 tests with Ai-servo


if you people would get up in arms about something that mattered (health care reform in america, british politicians using taxpayer money to purchase second homes, gaza, etc.), what couldn't be done in the world.




Nov 01, 2009 at 07:42 AM
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