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p.3 #1 · What's up with people lately

MPLS_photog wrote:
Andy Wood wrote:
Anyone else notice this?

Not really.

This is place is pretty civil for the most part.

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Oct 24, 2009 at 12:19 AM

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p.3 #2 · What's up with people lately

Hi everyone, a real n0ob here, both in the photography area and also on the board as far as posting . I read quite a few threads here daily and find FM is a great place to learn and yes sometimes people can be harsh or personal. The internet's anonymity allows us all to be as mean spirited as we want and it is almost accepted as funny or "Simon Cowellish". Personally I have an on/off button and a couple of hundred "favorites" and if I am offended or don't care for the line of discussion I turn away.

A few years back I was one half of the admins on a discussion forum and I was guilty of the trolling and flaming under an alias.Did it to see if we could draw a few members and it worked,it worked so well that the board became a burden. My point...maybe not the majority but a good portion of people WANT to see the bickering and attacks...it's like watching the 'Reality' programs.I've grown up and older since then and at 50+ can't believe I was such a *****, it really isn't in my nature when face to face.

Time to lurk again

Oct 24, 2009 at 12:33 AM

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p.3 #3 · What's up with people lately

If people come here because they want to see bickering and attacks, that's just sad. Its immature to need to bring someone down just to prop yourself up.

Personally, I learn a lot here. I'm also my own worst critic. I feel my work has quite a ways to go to get to the point I want it. So I haven't been posting photos. When I feel the desire to, I will. And bashing be damned.

If I truly don't like someone's work, I just won't say anything. When I do post comments, my general rule of thumb is to always find something good to say and always add some amount of constructive criticism. If all someone wants is a pat on the back, then I'm not the person you want to talk to since I'm here to learn and share and grow in my ability and style. Quite frankly, there is no photographer in existence whose work I love 100% of the time. And it would be boring if my creative vision were such that I did. We learn and grow by sharing our differences. It allows us to see in new ways. But it should always be done in the spirit of sharing and learning.

Oct 24, 2009 at 01:59 AM

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p.3 #4 · What's up with people lately

...and civility...

Oct 24, 2009 at 02:00 AM

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p.3 #5 · What's up with people lately

I agree so much with this topic. I was on the end of the harshness. And it seems when you take it as harsh and question it you are whinning, or told get use to it. When in fact an question good or bad by a newbie or vet, is that a question you can answer it or not, but rude come on. A repeated question can really be that persons true cry for help. I mean I was on the verge of really wanting to give up but thankful to some really professional photographers on FM that remand humble and my passion to be good at this, I haven't.

Still Thriving

Oct 24, 2009 at 02:06 AM

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p.3 #6 · What's up with people lately

I started being nice when I noticed my remarks on this forum where in the search results after googling myself; knowing that, I find myself posting more intellectual content, just kidding

Oct 24, 2009 at 02:21 AM

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p.3 #7 · What's up with people lately

.... *group hug* ....

Oct 25, 2009 at 05:24 AM

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p.3 #8 · What's up with people lately

I used to enjoy the wedding forum more in the past. I notice that when noobies post their first weddings, I usually don't have much to say. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings or disrespect their enthusiasm and ambition toward wedding photography.
It take years to hone your craft as most of us finally realized.
On the other hand, I admire the good shooters who post their wedding pics. Then, when I say something, they can understand that it is truely a peer to peer comment that might be appropriate and encourage their development.
I sincerely admire the very talented beginner who seems to be able to do it all right out of the starting gate. They bring lots of enthusiasm and certainly are not beating a dead horse nor are they stuck in the ruts that wedding photographers can easily fall into by repeating the same tired routines wedding after wedding. I look to be inspired by new trends and ideas here.
I am very passionate about my wedding photography. I have noticed areas where I need improvement and I practice to improve in those areas. I cannot just sit still reading forums and hope to improve. Those making wisecrack remarks at FM or acting like forum policemen turn me off.

Oct 25, 2009 at 02:27 PM

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p.3 #9 · What's up with people lately

Andy Wood wrote:
I have been on this forum since 2003. Seen it go through a lot changes. I have noticed lately people are not being very thoughtful to others (part of the reason I am posting less). Whether its the person that just posted their first images or a veteran on the forum. Just because you think you are anonymous doesn't mean you are.

I would encourage people to be a little nicer. Be encouraging, be thoughtful, be inspiring. Just a thought. Anyone else notice this?
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And you must watch out because "The Hoff" apparently owns intellectual rights to 99% of all wedding poses and lighting, and if your pictures or logo look anything even remotely similar (ie, a logo uses words, fonts or letters, oh my!

) the HAKs (Hoffer A$$ Kissers) mount up their donkeys and have and have a good old fashioned mob lynchin').

But seriously, I think most forums are getting a lot less thoughtful and a lot more belligerent as they increase in size.

Oct 26, 2009 at 12:46 AM

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p.3 #10 · What's up with people lately

musclepics wrote:
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And you must watch out because "The Hoff" apparently owns intellectual rights to 99% of all wedding poses and lighting, and if your pictures or logo look anything even remotely similar (ie, a logo uses words, fonts or letters, oh my!

) the HAKs (Hoffer A$$ Kissers) mount up their donkeys and have and have a good old fashioned mob lynchin').

But seriously, I think most forums are getting a lot less thoughtful and a lot more belligerent as they increase in size.

I invented and copyrighted most of the words in that post, so I'd appreciate proper credit...

Oct 26, 2009 at 12:54 AM

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p.3 #11 · What's up with people lately

+1 Hoffer

Oct 26, 2009 at 01:06 AM

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p.3 #12 · What's up with people lately

musclepics wrote:

And you must watch out because "The Hoff" apparently owns intellectual rights to 99% of all wedding poses and lighting, and if your pictures or logo look anything even remotely similar (ie, a logo uses words, fonts or letters, oh my!

) the HAKs (Hoffer A$$ Kissers) mount up their donkeys and have and have a good old fashioned mob lynchin').

But seriously, I think most forums are getting a lot less thoughtful and a lot more belligerent as they increase in size.

speaking of belligerent asses...

oops. this is a thread about being nice, right? ahem. nice ass, you donkey.

Oct 26, 2009 at 05:19 AM

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p.3 #13 · What's up with people lately

williamkazak wrote:
I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings or disrespect their enthusiasm and ambition toward wedding photography.
It take years to hone your craft as most of us finally realized.

In hindsight I am glad that my first posts got slammed. Made me realize there was much farther to go than I originally thought. Still not there yet...

Oct 26, 2009 at 02:27 PM

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p.3 #14 · What's up with people lately

Bryan, As you can see by reading the wedding forum, contentment is unreachable in one lifetime. Constant improvement is the key. With many different sticking points along the path, confusion and frustration can be constant companions. Thru practice and awareness, marketing and kindness I have improved over the years. Don't be afraid to take seminars to get some training and new ideas. Good luck to all of the wedding photographers who are, "in the trenches", as we used to say.

Oct 26, 2009 at 03:52 PM

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p.3 #15 · What's up with people lately

I lurk in the Wedding Forum and post in the People Forum. I think the denizens of the wedding forum are very cordial to each other.

Wanna see nasty? Hang out for a bit in the people forum!

Oct 26, 2009 at 04:25 PM

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p.3 #16 · What's up with people lately

Just a reminder that this has come up in the forum a few times now. Must be a problem

Nov 10, 2009 at 12:37 AM

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p.3 #17 · What's up with people lately

Andy Wood wrote:
Just a reminder that this has come up in the forum a few times now. Must be a problem

A problem with a vocal small percentage. I occasionally browse or search the archives and those who like to cause problems come and go, but the quality contributors are usually much longer lasting. Seems like a good sign for the long haul.

Online communities are what we make of them. The best way to counteract the negative is to post more quality threads & replies. Avoiding inflammatory prods helps, although it's understandable when they do get attention.

Nov 10, 2009 at 12:49 AM

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p.3 #18 · What's up with people lately

I think the problem that has arisen lately was related to people making comments about the clients in a thoughtless manner. Mostly there was no malevolent intention involved. I think Evan's post should go a long way toward fixing this problem. Aside from a troll or two that recently moved in this place is pretty darn civil.

One thing I see rising hugely is people mining this place for SEO/SERPS. I know forums like photography.net cracked down on that, will be interesting to see if they do here.

Nov 10, 2009 at 12:53 AM

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p.3 #19 · What's up with people lately

geofan wrote:
Wanna see nasty? Hang out for a bit in the people forum!

People forums no fun without pilles anymore

Nov 10, 2009 at 02:11 AM

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p.3 #20 · What's up with people lately

I remember a time when people still have respect, common sense, know to sit down & listen & recognize the flow before posting a question. Now they all want to be hand-held, and get pissy when told to sit their asses down and listen

Nov 10, 2009 at 03:39 AM


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