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Brad Alexander wrote:
Like I said before, you are trying to force a sticky down our throats. If the powers at be decide to make your Godly post a sticky, I'm fine with that. But constantly bumping it is nothing short of arrogant and irritating.

Now...

STOP THE MADNESS





You can't seem to get away from this thread Brad. Seems like an unhealthy obsession!


By the way, Pfiltz has bumped this thread just as much or MORE than I have.

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To the FORUM:

The negative stuff (sniping, backbiting, distortions, negative comments about a poster) that some people post in a thread like this are all the more reason this thread exists.

It was written to try to encourage more people to post positive contributions to this forum, instead of the negativism and sniping that sometimes surfaces here on the forum.

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One of the things I suggest for ANYONE and EVERYONE here is that we try to live by the Golden Rule as a community. That simply means: Treat others as you would want to be treated.

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For the Newbies and Lurkers:
There are a few people on this forum who do have a negative attitude and prefer to snipe at people rather than post photos or post positive threads or post constructive comments in threads. . It is one of the unfortunate facts about this forum. I hope you can overlook these people as much as I try to. They are a minority here and while they are consistent and persistent and pesky, they are not the majority. From what I have seen over the last couple of years, they do very little but criticize others whenever they get a chance to do that. I am sure you know people like that are in every group as large as this forum. So, don't be inhibited from posting here.

For the other forum members:
I encourage you all to post what you can in a positive fashion here on this forum. That will make this place better and may attract more Lurkers and Newbies to participate.

It is unfortunate that a thread that is truly intended to project a positive impression of welcome and good will and help to visitors, Newbies and Lurkers attracts so many negative people and their criticisms too.

Jan 23, 2010 at 11:45 PM
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Still full of yourself huh Steady. I don't see much connection with this self-aggrandizing thread and people photography

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Jan 23, 2010 at 11:52 PM
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rhyder wrote:
Sorry that you didn't get the fact that I was being ironic.

"And while you've appointed yourself in your mind, "the keeper of the forum" and "self proclaimed mentor of newbies", your not the only person that gets PM's, Emails, Phone Calls about photography. I've never turned down a request from anyone who ask me a question about photography."
+10

"Like I said before, you are trying to force a sticky down our throats. If the powers at be decide to make your Godly post a sticky, I'm fine with that. But constantly bumping it is nothing short of arrogant and irritating.

Now...

STOP THE MADNESS"
+10

"Steady is only the one who has the spirit to help other photographers here to learn and have fun with your photography."
-10 Not True.

There are many of people on this forum and others who help others, but they don't ask them to come to their website to learn "the World According to Steady". For every "rule" in Photography, there is an exception. Most of the "advice" I see on this forum turn interesting photographs into average, mediocre images.

There was once a quote about a Samurai, I can't remember most of it, but the end of it (and the point of it) was that he died in a classic stance. He was so adherent to the "rules" that it was his undoing.

You have a website Steady, why are you trying to control this one?


And another bump.............




Ironic?



I know you try to be "smart" with your posts. And you defend your remarks with statements like "You missed my being ironic."

As if people are supposed to get your irony....and if they don't...they don't "get it."

The samurai was up against Musashi. But that is not important.

I recognize you are smart. I also think it is a shame that "smarts" is not projected in a more friendly and helpful manner on this forum.

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My Suggestion for YOU: Use simple language. Be direct. Communicate openly. Be sincere. Don't use sarcasm and irony because not everyone has your POV or has read what you have read. This is global forum and some may mistake your attempts at irony and sarcasm for negativity and boorishness.

I just ignore those kinds of posts.

My Suggestion for YOU: IF a post or thread is not to your liking, then simply ignore it, or click on the HIDE button to hide that person's remarks.

I suggest to you or anyone else: Spend your time doing something positive for someone else here or the forum.

As I mentioned above, I know you think you are smart. So do some good with that. Post some threads sharing your smarts about photography. Share with others what you can in a positive constructive manner. Start a thread that helps people by sharing your knowledge.

Encourage others. Help this place become a friendlier place.


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Jan 23, 2010 at 11:55 PM
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PeeWee29 wrote:
I'm with Steady, I believe that this thread can help this forum a place where newbies and lurkers will learn and participate, so don't miss the chance.

Steady is only the one who has the spirit to help other photographers here to learn and have fun with your photography. (Since I started posted here)

Admit it, coz its true

Keep it UP! Steady





Thanks PeeWee.

I know you are not alone in thinking this is a positive thread. But, you have the courage to post something supportive!

Good for you!

Jan 23, 2010 at 11:58 PM
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jmagg wrote:
If Fred thought this thread was a veiled solicitation, it would have been closed by now. It stands as a goodwill gesture until then. Some people genuinely enjoy helping others.



Hi.

Thanks for posting your supportive comments above.

I know just what you mean.

I am glad you can see the intended Goodwill!

Jan 24, 2010 at 12:00 AM
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The difference between your bump and ours is that you do it once the thread has fallen off the first page.

We do it when you have already bumped it to the top, so really, we are not bumping.

Not all bumping is created equal.

STOP THE MADNESS!

Jan 24, 2010 at 07:23 AM
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My bad Steady. 24x6 a day...

BTW, I'm not going back to look at your comment times...

Is the DVD on photography a double pack or single...?

Jan 24, 2010 at 02:05 PM
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Brad Alexander wrote:
The difference between your bump and ours is that you do it once the thread has fallen off the first page.

We do it when you have already bumped it to the top, so really, we are not bumping.

Not all bumping is created equal.

STOP THE MADNESS!


My Suggestion for YOU: IF a post or thread is not to your liking, then simply ignore it, or click on the HIDE button to hide that person's remarks.

I suggest to you or anyone else: Spend your time doing something positive for someone else here or the forum.

As I mentioned above, I know you think you are smart. So do some good with that. Post some threads sharing your smarts about photography. Share with others what you can in a positive constructive manner. Start a thread that helps people by sharing your knowledge.

Encourage others. Help this place become a friendlier place.

Jan 24, 2010 at 04:04 PM
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Pfiltz wrote:
My bad Steady. 24x6 a day...

BTW, I'm not going back to look at your comment times...

Is the DVD on photography a double pack or single...?


Hey...I WISH I had the skills to make a DVD or more properly...and better than a "direct to DVD".... a theatrical release...a feature film!

But, IF I did, it would probably be a documentary or a period movie (historical bio pic).

Nope...no DVD from me....not for a few years at least!



Jan 24, 2010 at 04:08 PM
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Nah, he had nothing to do with Miyamoto. It was about blindly devoting your life to a set of rules. It was just a parable to illustrate a point. What makes you think I don't like the thread? There's an underlying darkness that I find facinating.

Jan 24, 2010 at 04:39 PM
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STOP THE MADNESS!

Jan 24, 2010 at 05:17 PM
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18 pages for reals? what happened between page 1 and 18 ? can someone give us the cliff notes?

this puts Sergio Mottolla to shame.. I used to think his 5 pager's were crazy. This is indeed MADNESS !

Jan 25, 2010 at 06:21 AM
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Wow, how did this thread get so negative?

Oh, and "bump"

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Negative with all the love abound?

Insert Smiley Here ----->

Jan 30, 2010 at 06:19 PM
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Positive - Emphasizing what is laudable, hopeful, or to the good; constructive: a positive attitude toward the future; positive things to say about a painting or photograph or people who want to help others. Let's ALL be positive.
Thanks, Steady.
Really - Life is too short.


Feb 02, 2010 at 12:41 AM
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Personally I think your 'help' is suffocating

Everyone has their own photographic journey to make, with many influences, stop baby sitting everyone and get on with your own life..

Let FM be what it will be... Its was fine in 2005 when I first came and it will be fine after you or I have left it..

Jane



Feb 02, 2010 at 12:19 PM
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"Let's ALL be positive." No, No, NOT. You need to realize that when EVERYTHING is positive....that's a negative.

A man once saw another man taking a drink of water. He said to the man "Be careful with that could kill you". The second man questioned his reasoning, to which he replied "How far can you swim?".

Too much of anything, even a good thing can be bad.

I agree with Jane. Let him do his "control thing" on his own site, leave this one alone.

Feb 02, 2010 at 01:36 PM
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I hardly ever post anything that says, wow those are amazing, simply because if you know the photos are fan bloddy tastic, then you wouldn't be asking for CC in the first place.

I don't really post much simply because while everyone else is doing portrait shots, I'm doing street photography. Not really portrait, not really city, not quite sure where those belong. :/

Feb 02, 2010 at 09:56 PM
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JaneG wrote:
Personally I think your 'help' is suffocating

Everyone has their own photographic journey to make, with many influences, stop baby sitting everyone and get on with your own life..

Let FM be what it will be... Its was fine in 2005 when I first came and it will be fine after you or I have left it..

Jane



I don't follow this thread but I just noticed that he has >10,000 posts. Does any of this "help" involve posting of his own photographic work or is it commentary and advice of other peoples photographic efforts??

Steve

Feb 02, 2010 at 11:50 PM
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I just want to lend my support for this thread welcoming newbies and lurkers.
It doesn't need to be at the top of the list all of the time, but the odd bump shouldn't cause a problem, it is after all intended to improve the forum.

Steady has only ever (to my knowledge) been courteous and helpfull.

Keep on keepin on all you fine photo folk out there

J

Feb 04, 2010 at 01:57 AM
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Hello and yes I am new. I joind nt long ago, But have not had time to be on here much. I am a long time landscape/nature photographer. And I have wanted to get back into portraits for some time. I have been enjoying photography for the last 30 years. My father got me interested when I was 10 years old.

This weekend I have my first " model " photo shoot booked for 2010. It has been a long time since i photographed any subject other than nature. I will post some of the photos on Sunday.

I have spent a bit of time looking at this site tonight. and I see a LOT of very stunning images. I hope that one day I can come close to the quality that I see on here.

Now that I am done babbling... thank you for taking the time to write the post above.

Ken

Feb 04, 2010 at 03:54 AM
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Great thread steady.

I agree with your approach, this place is much more enjoyable when there's a culture of support, dialogue and encouragement.

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Hey Steady-
I guess I would meet the definition of a "Lurker" as I joined a long time ago and usually visit at least daily (ok maybe more ), I just dont post much . . .

I remember when you first showed up. . . from the beginning you have contributed a great deal to this forum - I cant say that I always agree with everyting - but your comments are well thought out and tend to be positive in nature. . .

Thanks



Sep 21, 2010 at 01:10 AM
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Steady, Do you still take pictures? Do you ever post the pictures that you take? I would love to see some.

Sep 21, 2010 at 02:01 PM
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Hi Folks,

It is has been a long time since this post made it back to the top of the forum. And I notice I missed saying thanks to some of the nice people who did post some supportive comments and introduction remarks in this thread.

So, here are some responses to those nice folks.

TO: 200231786 or "J"

Thanks for adding supportive and friendly words in this thread. Good to see you posting and welcoming newbies too.

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TO: k hopkins or Ken

Hello Ken, Good introduction you posted! I wish more did that here.

This may be a little late, but I hope you are continuing with photographing people too (my favorite subject for photography).
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TO: Jean-Nathan

Good to see you supporting this effort too. I agree with your point too. I believe a supportive dialogue and some honest encouragement and observations is a better answer and makes for a better "forum culture."

Haven't seen you post in while. Post more. Let's see what you have been up to lately!

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TO: GERRY2153

Thanks for the supportive words. Keep visiting and start posting!

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TO: eddsi

Hi.

You asked if I still post photos and if you can see some.

Yes I do take/make lots of photos. Frequently. That is one way I make my living as a full-time professional artist/photographer.

As for posting photos here on FM? I have not posted any photos here in a while because there are a few hostile and negative people here and I don't want my clients to see how that hostility and animosity is vented in a thread about my client's photo/portrait. I often photograph children and senior citizens and others who may not understand why their photo is the featured photo with lots of hostile remarks surrounding it. Those hostile and negative forum members hijacked several of my posted topics discussions and many of my topics. That is the unfortunate part of a forum like this. Hostility and negativity can be just beneath the surface and in a loosely moderated forum (as this one is) it can show itself much more than I think is good for participants/members/visitors. If you just read the comments posted in this thread itself, you will see a mix of people who are supportive of this Newbies thread, and others who are not and even some who took opportunities to make targeted personal remarks, snide comments, and insinuations.

What about photos I posted here on FM?
I posted 70 different "Impressions" threads here in this forum in 2008, each with detailed introductory remarks and tips and explanations of my approach, my gear used, and things to watch for in a similar photo op. Those Impressions discussions are a very different approach to image "interpretation" and are what I consider MUCH more fun when viewing images. They are something I encourage EVERYONE to try too. I believe they have the potential to tell you more about your photography than most other forms of "comments" and "critique" found on a forum like this one.

Of course not everyone is really prepared (emotionally/mentally/confidence) for an Impressions style interpretation of their images. By that, I believe many people are not willing or do not desire to see IF their photos "say" anything or "reach the heart" or are more than just "properly exposed."

Or others may not see the value in them. That is OK with me. I see value.

Here is a quotation I have always liked:

"The aim of art is to represent not the outward appearance of things but their inward significance." ---- Aristotle

I consider them not only more valuable, more engaging, more interesting, but also preferable and more fun. They are purposefully intended to NOT be a critique of an image, but a discussion of the emotional impressions or interpretations the images evoke. I also encourage even NEWBIES to try them too. I believe they are a much better way for you to learn IF you are reaching your audience. So, they are different by design from the typical "C&C" posts so common on this forum.

To learn HOW to do an Impressions discussion of your own, just see one of my Impressions posts (you can search for "Your Impressions" in the search field on this forum). In EACH of my Impressions Discussion posts, I always put some tips on how to participate and make one at the bottom of the intro of the photo (my topmost post in the thread/discussion).

NOTE:
How do you find those old threads/photos posted in 2008?
Those 70 images were posted here in 2008. That means they are now in the forum Archives for 2008. You can STILL see them easily. FIRST you have to click on the year links in the "Time Machine" box on the upper right on the forum main page to search to get in the archives for past years posts, simply choose 2008). THEN you simply type "Your Impressions" in the search field (topic field) and it will take you to more than 40 of my Impressions Discussion threads in that year. Search a bit and see what you can.

There are also other topics related to this found by typing "Impressions" in the forum search box.

You might also enjoy reading the different "Impressions about Impressions" thread here:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/653643

A FEW links to some Impressions Discussions:
The last 15 or so images I posted were focused on Pianists. So if you like music, that would be a good place to focus attention. Here are the first three in this series on pianists (#51, 52, 53). Impressions comments on them (at this time) would be most helpful.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/706057
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/705476
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/705839

IF pianos or pianists hold no interest for you, try some of the earlier image posts (before #51). They show people from around the world and of all different ages.

Here is one:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/657020/0?keyword=Your,Impressions#5851047

And...I am NOT the only person here who enjoys this style of Impressions or Interpretation of images. Others such as Yves and a few others also started their own Impressions discussions too.

You can also find 350 different portraits on my old Studio website: http://www.steadmanuhlich.com

That site has many photos (350+) spread across 300 pages. It also has much more info too. It is an older site I built from scratch (blank pages in HTML) and was my first website for displaying my photos. It is a bit out of date now (not updated as frequently) and soon to be "retired" when I transfer the data/content to a new format in the near future. I built that site in a few months of FAST and dedicated personal work with HTML and site design. I have learned much more about site design since then.

I also have a more simple "online portfolio" (only showing photos) site here: http://steadmanuhlich.zenfolio.com/

In that site, I suggest viewing the folder called 180 Selected Favorites.

And I have another online portfolio (a flash gallery) found on my educational site too:
http://photomentors.com/portraits-steadman-uhlich/

That one has just 40 photos, but IF the flash gallery is working properly for you, you can view them at a larger size than the other sites. I tried to make them bigger and IF you click the "FS" button at the bottom of the Flash Gallery (once it loads, it may take a second or two to fully load), it should go to full screen with a larger image.

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To ANY NEWBIES OR LURKERS reading this:

The intent and sentiment of this thread (my original topmost post) is still there/alive. I encourage you ALL to participate here and post your photos when you want. Take a part in giving comments to others photos (even IF you do not make technical comments). People posting photos want to hear/read what others like and don't like.

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CASE IN POINT:

I just received a PM from a Newbie/Lurker who wrote the following in response to this thread (Newbies thread):

"I think many Newbies, myself included, may find it intimidating to jump in on a thread and offer an opinion when you know many of the posters are pros and I am not. Sometimes I feel like I don't have the background or experience to know if an image is a good one or not."

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I understand that feeling. It can be an intimidating place. But it does not have to be.

My Suggestion for you and ALL newbies is to participate. One way is to simply post a comment on what YOU see in the photos. Tell the original photographer what you notice. What grabs your eyes? What seems like a distraction from the MAIN subject? What do you like about the photo? What do you NOT like about the photo?

Even IF you have limited experience with making photos, you can tell someone else what pleases or displeases you in a photo.

Or what Impressions it gives you!

Or what you think about it.

You don't HAVE to use technical terms. Just be honest and speak from your gut, your heart, or what you feel or see.





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