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p.1 #1 · RRS L plate for 7D ?


The new plate for the 7d has "bidirectional dovetail mount on bottom of plate. Now you can use both a handstrap and your neckstrap. Also, the bidirectional dovetail is very beneficial when shooting video."

I can see the benefit of the strap mod but have never had a need for a bidirectional dovetail on a camera plate. Looks like there is less contact area for the clamp. Am I missing something?







Oct 15, 2009 at 01:31 PM
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This seems to be what RRS offers when they can't be bothered to properly design a plate for a camera; they did the same thing with the L-bracket for the Olympus E-3.

The bi-directional dovetail offers no advantages that I can see, other than a little lighter weight, and a little less cost for the manufacturer.

Oct 15, 2009 at 03:30 PM
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molson wrote:
This seems to be what RRS offers when they can't be bothered to properly design a plate for a camera;



...or, in their defense, are not offered up a beta model by the manufacturer so that they can design one in time for the production release of the body. This was the case with the 5D2 - they were so back logged because Canon did not provide a body that they could use to create the mold.

In these economic times, many manufacturers are looking to cut costs where they can. But with RRS, I don't see them cutting back on the quality (and customer service) we have been accustomed to receiving.


Oct 15, 2009 at 04:19 PM
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Depends on how wide your clamp is as to the support question.

The need to rotate the bracket 90 degrees on the y axis is probably rare and may be beneficial to a video user but perhaps they should offer two versions and let users choose if they are going to push some innovation on us. Personally I would wait for some decent reviews to see if the benefit hype isn't just that. Your three options appear to be: try it, wait for Kirk, or email RRS and tell them how you feel and ask if they will also offer a traditional version.

Oct 15, 2009 at 07:32 PM
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I'm wondering how much difference there is between 30D-50D plates and the 7D. I'm not above taking a dremel to an older style to make it work. I sold my 30D and 5D long and ago along with the L plates, wish I kept the plates now.

My clamps vary from 1.5" on a monopod to 2.5" on a Bushawk and geared head.

Kirk doesn't show anything on their site, I emailed RRS but have not heard back.

Update from RRS
"All of our plates are the same size. They are an 1 ½ when closed. We went to this design because the 7D does HD video. We learned with the 5D Mark II that if we had a fore aft plate you could use this in a Video fluid head (fore aft orientation) I believe Joe is happy with the design, and will not be changing it. I hope this helps.

FYI, all of our plates in all of our clamps should have at least a 40lb no slip rating. I have found that to be plenty safe for my biggest lenses. "



Oct 15, 2009 at 10:57 PM
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i am currently using my 40d L plate on my 7d, with zero modifications, and it works fine, even with the remote plugged in. you cannot open and seal the different ports on the sides (like hdmi out, mic in, etc...) but if you are looking for a support until a proper 7d plate is released, the 40d model works just fine.

Oct 16, 2009 at 02:25 AM
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CarpeyBiggs wrote:
i am currently using my 40d L plate on my 7d, with zero modifications, and it works fine, even with the remote plugged in. you cannot open and seal the different ports on the sides (like hdmi out, mic in, etc...) but if you are looking for a support until a proper 7d plate is released, the 40d model works just fine.


Thanks, that will work for now.

Oct 16, 2009 at 03:18 AM
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CarlG wrote:

...or, in their defense, are not offered up a beta model by the manufacturer so that they can design one in time for the production release of the body. This was the case with the 5D2 - they were so back logged because Canon did not provide a body that they could use to create the mold.



Not having a camera body to design from has nothing to do with putting the chintzy little double-dovetail on the bottom of the plate.

Oct 19, 2009 at 01:26 AM
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I'm sure someone in Canada must make one for the 7d

Oct 19, 2009 at 04:41 AM
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Can anyone confirm if the 5DII L plate will fit the 7D?

Oct 19, 2009 at 07:05 PM
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I'm trying to think of any advantage to the bidirectional dovetail, if you're not using a video head. Maybe it would fit on a Wimberley when an opportunity to use a short lens comes up? My preorder still hasn't shipped, and I'm seriously considering cancelling it and waiting for the Kirk.

Oct 19, 2009 at 09:27 PM
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CarpeyBiggs wrote:
i am currently using my 40d L plate on my 7d, with zero modifications, and it works fine, even with the remote plugged in. you cannot open and seal the different ports on the sides (like hdmi out, mic in, etc...) but if you are looking for a support until a proper 7d plate is released, the 40d model works just fine.

+1
I am also using my 40D L plate,
Claude


Oct 19, 2009 at 10:07 PM
 



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WillWeb wrote:
I'm trying to think of any advantage to the bidirectional dovetail, if you're not using a video head. Maybe it would fit on a Wimberley when an opportunity to use a short lens comes up? My preorder still hasn't shipped, and I'm seriously considering cancelling it and waiting for the Kirk.


RRS indicated on one of my emails that they would pass my concerns to engineering. Maybe if they get enough complaints they will change their mind.

My biggest concern with the new dovetail is the camera will not be as stable if it is sat down, I can just see it taking a tumble.


Oct 19, 2009 at 11:11 PM
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I called RRS and expressed my concerns to Eric. He acted surprised that anyone wouldn't be delighted about the new design. He repeated the position noted above that the grip in the clamp is still plenty strong enough, which is probably true. He said that the new design is good for panoramas because you don't need a nodal slide. This may be true with a very short lens and/or a very long clamp; I don't know. I raised the stability issue; he pointed out that the common way for the body to tilt when set down is forward, and there's no change in that. Apparently they're looking at making this their new standard design. I've decided to let my order stand, but I'm not convinced this is an improvement.

Oct 20, 2009 at 12:02 AM
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The RRS B50D-L L bracket for the 50D fits the 7D just fine and allows access to the side ports without moving the plate.

Nov 06, 2009 at 01:12 AM
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I have a B40D-L from RRS I am looking to sell. Actually, a B40D conventional plate too. Both are in excellent condition. I can't speak to their appropriateness on a 7D though -- you'll need to do your due diligence there. I saw that someone said they worked on a 50D but leaping from there to the 7D... really no idea.

If you're interested, let me know via PM and I can take & uploads pictures.

EDIT: I see a few people are doing this in the thread (I replied too quickly), so maybe its not as crazy as I thought.

Mar 13, 2010 at 01:28 AM
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Lens Fu wrote:
I have a B40D-L from RRS I am looking to sell. Actually, a B40D conventional plate too. Both are in excellent condition. I can't speak to their appropriateness on a 7D though -- you'll need to do your due diligence there. I saw that someone said they worked on a 50D but leaping from there to the 7D... really no idea.

If you're interested, let me know via PM and I can take & uploads pictures.

EDIT: I see a few people are doing this in the thread (I replied too quickly), so maybe its not as crazy as I thought.



Maybe you should post this in the correct forum which would be the B&S forum not this forum

Ray Still

Mar 13, 2010 at 02:04 AM
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Jack M wrote:
I can see the benefit of the strap mod but have never had a need for a bidirectional dovetail on a camera plate. Looks like there is less contact area for the clamp. Am I missing something?


I've been wishing and asking for bidirectional mounts on L-plates for years. I even built my own out of bar stock and RSS dovetail plates, but abandoned it because it wasn't aligned accurately.

The fore-aft mount is EXACTLY what you want if you are a long lens user. When switching between collared lenses and non-collared lenses, you do NOT have to rotate the clamp on the tripod head. Simply move the clamp from lens collar mount to L-plate and change lenses, and vice-versa. It's almost as helpful as a third hand!

Note that the RSS plate has a bidirectional mount only in landscape mode. My next request is to put a bidirectional mount for portrait mode as well. This is a challenge due to the need for access to the ports on the side of the camera, but I hope that the folks at RSS can rise to the challenge.


Mar 13, 2010 at 02:07 AM
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WillWeb wrote:
I'm trying to think of any advantage to the bidirectional dovetail, if you're not using a video head. Maybe it would fit on a Wimberley when an opportunity to use a short lens comes up? My preorder still hasn't shipped, and I'm seriously considering cancelling it and waiting for the Kirk.


Will hit this nail on the head. Wimberley and other gimbal heads can be used for short non-collared lenses ONLY IF you have a fore-aft mount on the camera. I have a Manfrotto 3421 gimbal support modified with a Kirk QRC 4. If I have the L-plate on my camera, I need to carry the RSS MPR-CL in order to mount the camera in the gimbal mount. This helped me justify the purchase of a RSS Portrait Perfect Package since they include the MPR-CL.

Bidirectional mounts on the L-plate eliminate the need for the MPR-CL to mount your camera on a gimbal head -- it's simpler, less cumbersome, and less expensive.

Mar 13, 2010 at 02:26 AM
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Ray Still wrote:
Maybe you should post this in the correct forum which would be the B&S forum not this forum
Ray Still


Thanks for your help Ray. I was in the B&S forum and did a keyword search to find "WTB" and "RRS" and hit this post. I didn't realize that I ended up in a different area. Hope it didn't offend anyone!


Mar 13, 2010 at 04:04 AM
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Thanks for that explanation Ray! I was wondering what the benefit was to such a design and you explained it well.

I use a regular RRS L-plate on my 1D as well as their P&S plate on my P&S and Canon HF100, a handheld HD camcorder. The P&S plate is a generic square plate that mounts to the bottom of most any camera and so I've used a bidirectional plate for quite some time now as it turns out.

To be honest, I've never found the bidirectionalness to be all that necessary for my own purposes. Granted I sold off my 70-200 tripod ring plate a while ago and so I only use the plates when mounted horizontally, but is it really that big a deal to reorient the clamp from horizontal to front-to-back? What sort of purposes would call for the clamp to remain fixed when changing lenses without the need to loosen the clamp to recompose in the first place?

Edit: Just noticed I now have 6789 posts!

Mar 13, 2010 at 04:28 AM
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Ariel Bravy wrote:
... but is it really that big a deal to reorient the clamp from horizontal to front-to-back? What sort of purposes would call for the clamp to remain fixed when changing lenses without the need to loosen the clamp to recompose in the first place?


With a ball head, the most obvious action is to unmount the long lens, then you have to reorient the clamp with one hand unless you let the camera and lens dangle, something that most people will not want to do with something as expensive and heavy as a 500L. You then learn to swivel the lens to reorient the clamp before unmounting it. The remaining problems are that you either have to remember to relock the clamp or else have the drag set right, otherwise you may suffer having your gear flop over under load. IMHO, anything that simplifies changing lenses is helpful, especially if you are in a hurry to catch some new action.

Of course, you can't reorient a gimbal head, so in this case, you really must have a fore-aft mount on your camera for non-collared lenses.

-Gary


Mar 13, 2010 at 02:07 PM
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I would have preferred the conventional design, but I do not mind the dual direction dovetail on my RSS 7D bracket, and I think it is plenty wide enough for support for that body. But I have different opinions about the benefits than others above.

There are two limited benefits to me. One is the ability to have a clamp oriented fore and aft, and then be able to adjust the camera some in the fore aft direction for balance. But that is only a limited benefit, because of the limited range you can move it in a clamp. Most any video head you would use has its own fore aft adjustment using a built in clamp and long dovetail, but it is one that is not compatible with an A/S dovetail. I just put a small A/S clamp on the dovetail of the video head, oriented with the opening side to side, and I am then set for either of my two bodies that do video. I use the main video head dovetail to get balance with what ever lens I have mounted, and it has plenty of range, especially since you got to choose where to put the small A/S clamp along the length of the video dovetail.

The other benefit is that I can use my RSS monopod tilting head and clamp with a big lens, and also use it with a camera without re mounting the clamp on the tilting head to change orientation. I often shoot "camera on a pole" shots with a remote to get a higher perspective, but still need the tilt to get the angle right with the monopod held near vertical. But most of those I shoot with a 5DmkII, not a 7D, so I still need to re orient for the 5D.

I find no benefit or need to have the dual dovetail for general ball head use. If I am converting from a long lens with lens collar on a given body to a short lens on the same body, I make my lens change of the big lens on the tripod. I have no problem leaving the long lens clamped, and removing the body from the lens, and installing the short lens on the body. I then let the body and short lens be supported by a strap while I deal with the long lens storage. If I do need a strap on the long lens, it is attached to the lens, not the body. The reverse process works fine also to get back to the long lens with the body mounted on the tripod. It is actually safer and easier to change out a body on a long lens while it is clamped on a tripod than trying to do it loose in your hands. Doing a change with the lens on the ground nose down is almost as safe as on a tripod, but not as easy. Plus you need firm level ground for nose down big lens support, which is not always available.

And it is trivial with no risk to any "flopping" occurring to use the pan base if you want to re orient the direction. I never release my ball clamp to the drag mode until I have complete control of the camera, and never leave it released when I let go, so I never accidently end up in a mode that can flop. Of course if the assembly is near balance, which it should be once the body is on, it is also easy to re orient by using your right hand on the main body grip to control everything, and then releasing the ball head clamp. That is exactly what you need to do to frame the shot, so it is a basic skill you need to be good at.

I do not understand at all about the comment from RSS about not needing a nodal slide if you have a dual dovetail. A nodal slide is to provide significant offset of the camera body from the center of the quick release clamp, in order to align the rotation position correctly with the lens in use. The dual dovetail on a 7D might give you 0.5 inches of offset at the most, while most lenses need 2 or 3 inches. So I will keep my RSS nodal slide, thank you very much, and besides, I need it for my 5D in any case.

The use of the dual dovetail on the 7D to mount the body on a gimbal head may make sense to some, but I rarely do that. And if I want to, I can use my nodal slide, if I have it with me. It works perfectly as an adapter for any of my bodies to put them on my Wimberley. And since I use my Wimberley with the arm on the right side, the nodal adapter allows better clearance of the camera grip from the arm without changing around the side I have the arm on.

I would not want RSS to change to the small dual dovetail for any of the bigger bodies when they come out in the future. There are times when I do want and need the extra strength of a full length dovetail, and I also mount things at different positions along the long rail for special situations. So if RSS comes out with that on any bigger bodies, and it is the only option available, I will need to consider my first L plate from other than RSS. And I have bought 7 L plates from RSS over the years, not counting the 7D, so I am obviously very happy with them in their current type of configuration. I wonder if Joe reads this stuff? If so, this is one of your very good customers saying don't loose the option of the conventional style single long dovetail for L brackets on any bigger bodies, or you will lose business.



Mar 13, 2010 at 05:13 PM




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