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Hi Friends,

I would like to know which are your favorite photography forums (besides this one of course).

I have occasionally seen some people post links here. But I have some other interests. I would like to understand what you see in those places and how your experience is shaped BY those places or the features or the people in them.

I am doing some research and think this may help others too, including our own little forum community here at FM.
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UPDATE JULY 5 2010:

I was doing some research last year about what makes a good forum "good" and such.

Obviously, forums, like any group or community, go through change and evolve. Some grow, some advance, some decline and some even disappear.

Since many people here got some value from this thread, I thought I would ask if any "new" forums may have hit the internet in the last year that people like and WHY they like them.

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Try to answer these questions if you will.:

1. What do you think makes a forum a nice place.

2. What have you seen that works or does not work?

3. How did you find the experience at those forums to be different from one another?

4. WHY do you think that happens?

5. IF you did not join one of those forums, WHY?

6. IF you did join at one time and left it, WHY?

IF you did not post your own photos there, WHY?

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7. Anyone from Asia or Latin America or Europe or Africa have photography forums in their areas they would like to suggest?

I would have thought someone from Japan would mention a forum. Anyone?

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I have posted my own forum experiences below in this discussion.

I will post the following to help others by just sharing my own experiences. Your experiences will be different, of course. No two people will see the same event the same way.

Here are a few of my experiences (good and bad), though I must admit these are impressions from years ago, so the situations, places, and personalities have no doubt changed over those years. When I first started visiting photo forums YEARS ago (2000 starting), I used to drop by the following:

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dpreview
This is a massive site with a huge following or membership and LOTS of stuff to read. I like their camera reviews. I used to enjoy the forums too. Some people were very nice. But, over time, I found the place had many trolls too. That was my first experience with trolls on the internet (I was new to the net experience). Unfortunately, the weakness I saw was that photos were kept out of discussions threads (at the time) and that meant it was a text only discussion and then one had to go to a gallery section to see photos. I bet that has changed, but it was a limitation at the time. I haven't participated there in years, but I bet if you want to find an answer, it is a good place to look and a good place for reviews (even if some people do not like their style). Lesson Learned: A troll or dominant person can spoil a forum or group quickly and change the entire experience for visitors.

Digital Wedding Forum
The digitalweddingforum was a very nice place (at the time) and it was free to join (at the time). I met some very nice and experienced photographers there. We discussed many aspects of professionalism and such. We also were pushing through on leading edge stuff as Digital was taking over from Film. It is now a paid subscription place now and seems "very driven" to get you to sign up on the front end, with very little ability to see why. Over time, I focused my business on high-end portraits and turned down more and more weddings, to the point that I stopped going to DWF years ago as my focus is now on a single image rather than any kind of event. Lesson Learned: This was during the whole "is it Film or Digital" phase of photography. The lesson was that photographers were more hung up on that than the customer. UPDATE NOTE: I am now aware (due to this thread) that there is a FEE to join and view this forum now. It used to be a free forum.

Photo.net
I used to spend time at photo.net too back in about 2000-2001. I liked it. Then. Unfortunately, I was moving from film into DSLR digital photography (Big investments on equipment at that time) and at that time, the photo.net community was VERY film-oriented (what many here would call "old school" ) and....well...there was some real bias there and LOTS of negative response to digital issues or topics. I am sure that MUST have changed since then....I hope. Lesson Learned: New technology causes some people to get VERY uncomfortable and to feel at risk. New technology can unsettle a profession as the transition takes place. Lesson? Adapt or become obsolete.


photo.sig
This forum is very interesting because it posts SO MANY photos in a very easy to view format and from all over the world. I enjoyed seeing the travel photos and photos from people who obviously love photograph as amateurs (the real love). You can surf there and see thumbnails or what is like a light box (anyone remember those? ) and see a MIX of images all at one glance. As Nina pointed out elsewhere in this discussion, it also has a critique area below each photo where viewers can post short comments (like seen here). Those critiques are also critiqued too for helpfulness etc. That is different. I have seen lots of beautiful photos there when I visited some years ago. I decided I would NOT post my own photos there for one very important reason: There is no division into groups there. So that means that a photo of a young child may be displayed right next to an "erotic" photo (some looks like porn to me) and those two photos go through time and cyberspace together. As I did not want my clients to see their children's photos on a site that shows that kind of nudity and erotic images, I decided that it was not the place for me to display my own work. Lesson Learned: There is a need to have some segmentation so that photo types/subjects are not mixed inappropriately on a forum.

digitalBWtheprint
Another forum I really liked (years ago) was: digitalBW (the print). This was/is a forum (a Yahoo group) devoted to making fine digital BW prints. Lots of arcane knowledge there and lots of talent too as the stuff was cutting edge then (2001). We used to have a lot of fun discussing the nit-picky details of paper and inks. At one time I was a real "Fine Art Paper Review Guru" (for a while). It was a real "gear head" kind of place that melded with the desire to make truly cutting edge digital fine art prints. From that place, I learned more about the physics of particles (carbon) in suspension, than I ever did in my physics classes! I also invested many thousands of dollars into gear, ink, and papers...and time and effort. I will always remember with fondness, the look and FEEL of a highly textured 100% paper Carbon print. WOW....they were beautiful! They make typical black and white prints (c prints now) look....cheap and plastic! Lesson Learned: Sometimes one can get TOO focused on the minute and miss the big picture.

Zuga.net
Hemmm....just as I am writing this, I recall visiting a few times a place called "zuga.net." Back in about 2001. That place was interesting for the concept. It had lots of "stuff" going on in the interface with lessons, videos, "TV" channels devoted to photography and stuff like that. What I learned there was that some people can tend to dominate a forum (in a negative way) and how that inhibited others. There were more than a few "internet bullies" there and some of the discussions were pretty ridiculous. But, that is probably because it was a forum that started as an offshoot of a bunch of students of one photographer. So there was a "dominant" theme and approach to photography that was all based on that one view of photography. I thought it was a place "stuck" in a closed box, narrow focus (on a particular style or "school") mentality. Everyone was told to pose a certain way for example. Lesson Learned:Not every photography forum is open to different styles or creative approaches. UPDATE: I don't believe this forum still exists.

(can't recall name...something like "digitalphotography forum")
I seem to recall another "digital" oriented forum where people posted photos and they had contests and stuff like that. I truly don't remember the name at the moment, as I have not see it for years. But I do remember it was a "competition" oriented place and then they sold the prints for the best photos. Perhaps someone here knows that place and can tell others about it and how it works today.
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Each of these on-line communities has something to offer a photographer. I gained something from each experience. Sometimes it was very positive, sometimes (unfortunately) it was negative. Just like a big group of people, there are nice folks and there are 'trolls.'
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Also, I read something today about facebook. I have never posted anything on facebook before. Does it have some method of keeping pictures from being copied from the facebook account/wall/page? I think some forums have a covering transparent image or some other features designed to discourage copying of photos. I know Zenfolio or Flicker has something like that. Any input?

It has been years since I looked around at other forums and I have been so busy here. Just thought I would check and see how others find other forums on photography.

I am thinking of forums where photos are displayed or discussed, rather than just text forums.

Thanks in advance for any insights or opinions.
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Oct 14, 2009 at 04:47 AM
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I like the (POTN) Canon Digital Photography Forums. The Glamour and People sections are both pretty active and seem to have good critiques and dialogue.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/index.php

Oct 14, 2009 at 05:15 AM
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Have you checked Photo.Net.

If not, take a look. I think this site is definitely into displaying photos and then people can comment and critique and rank. There are also Photos can be copied. I'm not sure why I don't go there anymore but there are great photos to be seen there.

There are numerous forums and I think these are more for discussion. I don't think photos are posted into a thread??

Oct 14, 2009 at 06:34 AM
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For Nikon fans - there is the Nikonians website - www.nikonians.org.

Oct 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM
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Regarding Facebook, not only can your photos be copied, but if you post photos there, IIRC you transfer your copyright to Facebook (for ALL content, not just photos) in perpetuity when you agree to their terms or policies or whatever the heck it is. There was some real furor over this a while back.

Oct 14, 2009 at 11:10 AM
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I have seen familiar names from here on www.dpreview.com/forums

Oct 14, 2009 at 12:04 PM
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B Erickson wrote:
I like the (POTN) Canon Digital Photography Forums. The Glamour and People sections are both pretty active and seem to have good critiques and dialogue.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/index.php


Thanks. I have never seen that one (that I recall). I will check it out.

Oct 14, 2009 at 01:00 PM
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mrhoni wrote:
Have you checked Photo.Net.

If not, take a look. I think this site is definitely into displaying photos and then people can comment and critique and rank. There are also Photos can be copied. I'm not sure why I don't go there anymore but there are great photos to be seen there.

There are numerous forums and I think these are more for discussion. I don't think photos are posted into a thread??


Thanks for adding to the discussion.

Photo.net was a place I used to visit about 8 years ago. I have not seen it lately. I am sure it is full of stuff and worth a visit.

I used to buy and sell my gear there years ago. Then I found FM.


Oct 14, 2009 at 01:02 PM
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RMigliaccio wrote:
For Nikon fans - there is the Nikonians website - www.nikonians.org.



Ahhh....the "Dark Side."

I don't know if they would let me in. I shoot with mostly Canon gear.

I might need a "sponsor."

But...I KNOW that place has lots of expertise.

Thanks for adding it to my list to check.

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Geo31 wrote:
Regarding Facebook, not only can your photos be copied, but if you post photos there, IIRC you transfer your copyright to Facebook (for ALL content, not just photos) in perpetuity when you agree to their terms or policies or whatever the heck it is. There was some real furor over this a while back.


Thanks for adding that warning too.

That is an issue to consider....seriously.

I have never opened a Facebook account because when I read (carefully) the Terms pages (most people don't), I was surprised by that kind of position.

But....who knows. Maybe....it is a misunderstanding.

Anyone else have something to add on THIS issue?

Oct 14, 2009 at 01:06 PM
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grafx wrote:
I have seen familiar names from here on www.dpreview.com/forums



Yes...that is a BIG forum.

I used to spend many hours there years ago.

I liked the place and "met" some nice folks there.

And....I also saw how it had a "harsh" side or trolls too. Some discussions just went down down down.

I do think it has the most content for reviews and it is SO BIG and fast moving it has lots to offer to most photographers.

Oct 14, 2009 at 01:09 PM
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My brother & his wife (both good photographers) love Flickr. I am so hooked on FM that I rarely go to Flickr at all and don't really like it that much. I told my brother about FM and he can see the difference, too.

Some friends use Photo Bucket (I think that's the right name), but it seems to behave more like Flickr and is mostly good for sharing pics with a specific group of friends. I have not seen a decent way to use FB for photography, but maybe there are groups on that site that specialize in it. Seems like it would be difficult to do anything as sophisticated as on FM due to the way FB is designed (it works great as a social networking site, though).

Just my small contribution of pennies to this thread -

Marcy

Oct 14, 2009 at 01:27 PM
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I peek in here quite often.

http://photocamel.com/

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MarcyJillGood wrote:
My brother & his wife (both good photographers) love Flickr. I am so hooked on FM that I rarely go to Flickr at all and don't really like it that much. I told my brother about FM and he can see the difference, too.

Some friends use Photo Bucket (I think that's the right name), but it seems to behave more like Flickr and is mostly good for sharing pics with a specific group of friends. I have not seen a decent way to use FB for photography, but maybe there are groups on that site that specialize in it. Seems like it would be difficult to do anything as sophisticated as on FM due to the way FB is designed (it works great as a social networking site, though).

Just my small contribution of pennies to this thread -

Marcy


Hi Marcy.

Thanks for adding the details.

I have never seen Photo Bucket (PB) nor have I ever used Flickr. I have seen many images linked from here to a Flickr site. So I have seen the page view there. I found the Flickr interface "poor" (not good) for my intended use.

Oct 14, 2009 at 01:44 PM
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richdavid wrote:
I peek in here quite often.

http://photocamel.com/


Hi Rich.

I had forgotten about that place. Thanks for posting the link. I just visited it and saw that it has "38,000" members. That is a LOT more members since the last time I saw that forum some 5 years ago (or so).



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the only other national forum I am a regular http://www.photosig.com
awesome for critiquing, and you can't receive critiques unless you give them, great system

There are a few regional / NW forums

for model photogs http://thetalentalliance.com/forums/northwest/

for scenic & portrait photogs
http://nwphotoforum.com/forums/portal.php and
http://www.pnwphotos.com/forum/

Oct 14, 2009 at 01:52 PM
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when Paul Buff's Forum closed down Fritz started a new forum called pixelburners.com. It is growing and i see a lot of FMer's on there.

Oct 14, 2009 at 01:54 PM
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Steady Hand wrote:
Geo31 wrote:
Regarding Facebook, not only can your photos be copied, but if you post photos there, IIRC you transfer your copyright to Facebook (for ALL content, not just photos) in perpetuity when you agree to their terms or policies or whatever the heck it is. There was some real furor over this a while back.


Thanks for adding that warning too.

That is an issue to consider....seriously.

I have never opened a Facebook account because when I read (carefully) the Terms pages (most people don't), I was surprised by that kind of position.

But....who knows. Maybe....it is a misunderstanding.

Anyone else have something to add on THIS issue?


They modified this several months back. There was standard language in there stating that they had the rights to your photo SO THEY COULD BACK IT UP on their servers. That was is. They modified it so that it looked less "scary" to people. Also, there was language in there saying that even if you delete your account, some versions may still exist on their BACKUP servers for a period of time. It was all legal CYA stuff, but some people saw it and freaked out.

IMHO, FB is NOT a good way to display photos simply because the image size is too small for decent viewing. FB is a social networking site, not a photo sharing site.


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Content of my post moved up the thread.

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NinaS wrote:
the only other national forum I am a regular http://www.photosig.com
awesome for critiquing, and you can't receive critiques unless you give them, great system

There are a few regional / NW forums

for model photogs http://thetalentalliance.com/forums/northwest/

for scenic & portrait photogs
http://nwphotoforum.com/forums/portal.php and
http://www.pnwphotos.com/forum/



Hi Nina.

Thanks for posting those links in this discussion.

I forgot about photo.sig. (old memory)*

I will edit my remarks above to include my own experiences there. Thanks for reminding me about the place. *(shows how seldom I visit there).

I have never heard about those others. Thanks.

Oct 14, 2009 at 02:29 PM
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this is a really nice discussion! brings back memories. steady, i really like your summary of the various sites and have found my experiences to be very similar to yours (of the ones i've been to).

photo.net........when i first started studying photography seriously, photo.net was what i came across first, so i'm grateful for the time that i spent there. i haven't been back in a long time. an interesting story is that one of its former editors just happens to be the brother-in-law of the preschool director where i shoot the annual preschool portraits. it was such an awesome coincidence when i found that out.

dpreview........i use to spend so much time over there, especially when i was researching camera equipment. it's been very helpful over the years. i notice a few similar names from FM over there.

photosig........beautiful images! i used to go and admire the images a few years back. i agree about the need for some segmentation.

photography-on-the-net........i've just recently found this site and haven't spent much time there, so it's hard to know the overall culture. the layout has a similar feel to FM.

blogs & social networks..........this is where most of my personal friends (photog and non-photog) have the opportunity to see one another's photos, so it will always remain an important part of my photography.

so many forums, so little time! needless to say, i spend the majority of my photography time here on FM. i've learned so much here! thanks for this discussion, and THANK YOU for all the help you given me over the past few years!

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Oct 14, 2009 at 02:57 PM
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there is also http://www.photoforum.com and http://www.ephotozine.com and http://www.rangefinderforum.com are very good forums.

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What do you think makes a forum a nice place.
Interesting / inspiring photography. An active forum - I only post photos where I kind of "keep track" of them and I won't remember to visit a forum once/week to see if anyone's out there. If no one responds, why bother posting? Members that know how to give and receive an honest critique.

What have you seen that works or does not work?
Forums with "greats" that are above CC. They usually have a large fan of hero worshipers (for good reason, they're usually very good) but almost always it seems to turn into a secret backlash rising of people who don't enjoy their work. When someone dares to give CC to the current hero, it almost always turns into a fight with people defending both sides . . . nobody, I mean NOBODY should be above CC. Perfection does not exist, unless the only person meant to view the picture is yourself and you think it's perfect.

OTOH, no one is hoping to get zinged here & it when only the faults of an image and none of the strengths are pointed out - it doesn't feel good. People have feelings. There is something good in nearly every image, and people wouldn't put the image here if they felt it had absolutely no merit. Take a second to recognize the effort, we're all in this together and the person you help or encourage today may be the person who is there for you tomorrow.

How did you find the experience at those forums to be different from one another?
Problem solving seems to vary by forum . . . some forums want to throw more gear at a problem. Others will avoid a particular lighting situation all together, and still others don't see that as a problem at all. I've gotten very different feedback on the same images, depending on the culture I post in. I came back here after being gone for several years because I wanted a different perspective / skill set giving me feedback. It's really interesting to see how it varies.

WHY do you think that happens?
Part of it is Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. There is a heavy lean towards studio lighting here (so it seems to me) vs where I usually hang out studio is not the norm at all . . . when a plumber has a problem, they're going to look in their existing toolbox first to find a solution.

IF you did not join one of those forums, WHY?
If I feel there's too many creepy people on there urging each other on to create soft core porn . . . I move on. That's not my thing, nor is my interest theirs. If it's too slow, I don't bother. If it's primarily landscape/nature - I move on. If I spend a few days lurking and don't see anything at all that inspires me - I go. As selfish as it sounds, I want to hang out with people who are better than me, so I can learn from them.

IF you did join at one time and left it, WHY?
Lack of response on multiple threads is a big one. Everyone posts clunkers now & then, that's to be expected, but in general I don't type for the joy of hearing my fingers click the keys. If no one's interested in what I have to offer - off I go.

IF you did not post your own photos there, WHY?
I am very very serious about getting good at this someday. I can read all the theory in the world but until I see my work through someone else's eyes, well, I'm how on earth do I know I'm getting where I want to be? So I always post photos, there is no better way to get where I want to go.

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To AgileHound:

Thanks for posting those detailed (and easy to read) answers to those questions.

I enjoyed reading your views and share MANY of them.

THAT is the kind of opinion and personal experiences that may help others.

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Wanted to add one more thing I look for in a forum: a variety of styles. All CC is based on personal pref, but if 99% of the people giving CC are all creating very similar images, well . . . it's very easy to work towards having your images look just like theirs. Which is fine if that's what you want to create (and I do think that's part of the learning process), but having a variety of styles on a forum kind of helps me at least think outside the box, both by what inspires me and what kind of feedback I get. Even though I don't have to want to create a certain style to admire it, or I can admire / emulate a certain aspect of it without becoming a total copycat.

Although, in general if everyone on the face of the planet is saying "the tilt just doesn't work'" maybe, just maybe the tilt doesn't work, and it's not just your unique style.

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