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Archive 2009 · Major 7D focus issues

PhotogDave
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p.12 #1 · Major 7D focus issues

I forgot to say this, but there was a guy that shot the OSU Wisconsin game that posted his pics with it and they were outstanding. They are just web images, not full size, so we dont really know, but they do look good from what I see. They were also shot with a $7000 lens....maybe theres something to that too. Everything I have seen was usually 70-200 and such. I know there was one guy Arash Hazeghi that did some BIF with 400 f4 Do and 500 f4, but he could actually have had a defective unit, in which case the lens wouldnt matter. We now know there are definitley defective units out there.

Maybe the guy referenced above had a good copy coupled with a $7K lens and that was the difference. Could this new sensor demand $4000 plus glass. Dont know. But to counter that, RG had some posts on his site from 200f2 and 300f2.8 etc and they werent that great. They seemed focused well, but not all that great of quality.

Oct 12, 2009 at 08:07 AM

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p.12 #2 · Major 7D focus issues

If Canon could actually fix the things on the FIRST TRY, it would be one thing. Unfortunately, my experience (with the original 1D, believe it or not) is that it takes multiple trips to get something fixed. Others have experienced the same thing.

Oct 12, 2009 at 08:13 AM

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p.12 #3 · Major 7D focus issues

Amazingly, IanCale is now getting good shots with his 7D and an el cheapo lens -

here - https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/822575

guess the 12,059 views and 229 posting in this thread were for not -

Oct 12, 2009 at 08:17 AM

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p.12 #4 · Major 7D focus issues

Man I really started some shiz it , huh!

Oct 12, 2009 at 08:21 AM

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p.12 #5 · Major 7D focus issues

PhotogDave wrote:
The R class buyers didnt have that. They could have, but wasnt legally allowed to do so. And so, MB will not keep producing the R Class. It was a one life cycle run. Read into that what you will.

Appreciate the long version... yes we are off topic. I was a big R fan in the design stage but when I saw it in the metal I did not like it at all. I cannot understand why they continued to produce it for so long as it was a bomb in my eyes. I was involved with the GL 320 fiasco and the hose problem and ended up cancelling an order because of it. I did end up with a GL550 and loved it... great luxury sedan in SUV clothing. Had a friend in Montvale who always took care of me in the "Bama" plant. I know more about MB autos than I do about most things...:-)

Anyway... I see your point some now but again, I am a hobbyist so look forward to new gear to keep me happy and busy.... why is it noise and low light is the latest rage with all the forums? I will be happy when this thread is closed and we start looking at the spectacular images posted on the gallery threads. This "gear" thread in great for those in the field and depend on their camera for their income, but to me I am lost and should just read what I understand and keep my comments to myself. Believe me I know photography having spent 20 years in the Navy as a Chief Photo Mate and eventually as a Photographic Officer but the technical detail of pixels is not my thing.

Peace

Oct 12, 2009 at 08:22 AM

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p.12 #6 · Major 7D focus issues

, yep Ian. I'm glad you finally posted some good shots with the 7D cause I thought your thread was going to lead to another 24 hour shut down of FM -

You know, servers on fire, women and children running for their lives and such.

Seriously, I'm glad you got it working now.

Mark

IanCale wrote:
Man I really started some shiz it , huh!

Oct 12, 2009 at 08:28 AM

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p.12 #7 · Major 7D focus issues

Ian, glad you are somewhat happy now. But I have to ask, or at least make the statement. I notice your good shots are in daylight and at narrow apertures like 6.3 f8. These are easy to get good shots. How is it doing at wide apertures. My 1D3 is perfect at f5.6 in daylight. But use it at sunset and f2.8 and we have a whole different ball game.

Just curious, is it better all around, or just at small apertures, if its just small apertures, I wouldnt say you are fixed just yet. Believe me, I'd love to see some good focused 2.8 shots of action from you. I need some good ol hope right now.

John, sorry you got caught up in the GL issue. Good you had a friend close by to help. Its amazing what can be done if you have an inside contact to the plant where information and possibilities are endless.

As for the question about noise and low light. Well, as time went on, and cameras got better and better, you start to see that it "is" possible for certain things. Alot of peopel say, "I used to shoot 400 speed film pushed to 800 and the grain was 5 times as bad as ISO 3200, what are you complaining about"

Well, that was then. We dont need to do that anymore. Yes, noise/grain is much much better these days than most could have ever dreamed. But the reality is, as things get better, we expect improvement even in small steps. I owna 1D3 and the ISO 3200/6400 shots I get are absolutely stunning compared to even 400 speed film. But I also paid $4700 new for this thing. Its extrememly advanced, so yes, it has to be good. And, when the 1D4 comes out, I expect ISO 6400 to actually look better than before. Thats why we "upgrade" to reap the benifits of new technology. People get caught up in and find themselves nit picking images that are actually good.

I can say this, the company I shoot for usually never looks at the photos blown up. They are viewed and judged by looking at "fit to screen" and if they see softness at that level, they go farther and question it.

They dont really question noise. It is what it is. You know that whatver the customers have out there wont be any better, so it really doesnt matter.

If it were impossible to blow images up and look at them, I'd never be worried about noise. But, the reality is, customers have now gotten to where they will zoom in and look at the images. I dont know why, but they do.

Oct 12, 2009 at 08:56 AM

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Oct 12, 2009 at 09:36 AM

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DavidP wrote:
Others have experienced the same thing.

And many, many more have never had a problem...

Oct 12, 2009 at 09:43 AM

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p.12 #10 · Major 7D focus issues

I'll chime in with support for David's statement. Cameras, lenses, flashes, etc over plenty years. Got two 580's waiting back home for me just back from CPS repair, I wish I wouldn't have to test the heck out of them but too much experience of canon repair to hope they got it right first time. When it's right it's perfect. It rarely is first time though.

Oct 12, 2009 at 09:57 AM

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p.12 #11 · Major 7D focus issues

But I also saw Ian used a cheap 75-300 lens on the football pics.... so take care also for this, not only about good or bad light..... a 300 2.8 is sure better at f5.6 than a 75-300 @ f8.... in all bodies.....

will you put a 75-300 on your 1D3

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gp

Oct 12, 2009 at 10:02 AM

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p.12 #12 · Major 7D focus issues

While I am one of the few, I agree with your experience. I used the 7D for about 3 days and took over 2k shots of BIF (brown pelicans and egrets). I kept only 100 or so. The rest were OOF or just not sharp enough. The lens I used was 400 5.6L. I traded it in for the 1d2 and the difference in AF speed and accuracy is night and day for my copies. That's too bad as the 1d2 is bit low on the mp count for cropping afterward.

IanCale wrote:
Well I happened to find a store that had a 7d in stock while away this weekend, Took a bunch of shots of whatever I saw, and tested the servo and video and such, when I got home and looked at the images nothing in sharp focus, so I've been playing around with it since Sunday , did every focus test , and them some, Micro adjusted both ways to the max in increments, tried 2 lenses so far , 28-135 and a 50mm, both with the same results nothing sharp, seems a major backfocus problem, with the servo even...Show more →

Oct 12, 2009 at 12:57 PM

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p.12 #13 · Major 7D focus issues

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Did you work in factory or PDI Center? If factory, which one?

You think it has "more than normal orange peel" and I say it is the lighting. Having owned as many MB's as I have, I know what kind of finish a nano paint job looks like and believe me it is as "smooth as glass."

I just commented on it because it looks like a lot of MBs I've seen in person (the area I work in is littered with high end vehicles). A good portion of the black ones do suffer from horrendous orange peel, to the point where I was wondering if they sent the cars to GM for the paint job. It's particularly obvious when parking next to them and you see some reflections in the paint. One of our consultants has an S-series which does look fantastic though -- that paint job really does look like glass.

Incidentally, Lexus and Infinity on average seem to have far nicer black paint jobs than both MB and BMW.

Oct 12, 2009 at 02:52 PM

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PhotogDave wrote:
Even if only 3 were bad, thats still an 85% success rate. And as an engineer at Mercedes, our rate had to be above 90%.

Terrifying.

Oct 12, 2009 at 03:29 PM

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keithreeder wrote:
And many, many more have never had a problem...

And NOBODY should have to send it back multiple times to get it fixed.

Oct 12, 2009 at 03:54 PM

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p.12 #16 · Major 7D focus issues

hey David,

I hear ya on the multiple trip thing. I had a mkIIn that front focused and they could never fix after 5 tries. Dealer finally gave me a refund. Then my mkIII ordeal with many trips to and fro until finally, the fix that wasn't supposed to fix the centerpoint autofocus. Now all my stuff is working great for the time being. I don't know if other camera manufacturers have better service cause I've always used Canon. It does get frustrating, but in the end everything has been made right. I have gotten pretty upset during the process a couple of times though.

I do work with a lot of other technical equipment so I guess I am kind of used to the human error part of the equation. I wish it could be better, but I have my doubts that anything will improve.

Happy for now,

Mark

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And NOBODY should have to send it back multiple times to get it fixed.

Oct 12, 2009 at 04:53 PM

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DavidP wrote:
And NOBODY should have to send it back multiple times to get it fixed.

Nobody denies that crap happens, but the fact remains that most folk never find themselves in this situation - it's not representative.

Oct 12, 2009 at 05:44 PM

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p.12 #18 · Major 7D focus issues

Just thought I'd add some news. The friend that sent me the dog pics, just phoned.

For those that said it was him. He called Canon this morning after I responded to him on his pics, he said as soon as he told them what it was doing, they never asked for anything. They said, Just take it back and let them swap it out, or send it to us and we'll swap it.

He said from the sound of it, the guy already knew, like they've had several already.
Apparently this has been an issue with some units here and there.

Here's the kicker, he aid the new body was a huge improvement. Night and day difference....the kicker, the new unit is older than the one he bought first. So this sounds like maybe just some rushed production that may have let several get thru the net due to high demand. Seen that before.

Anyway, just thought I'd add that to close out that particular issue count.

He did say the tech asked what lens he was using and as soon as he told him 70-200 f2.8L IS, he said go swap it. Dont know what that meant, but I can read into it....

My friend said he read HEREwhere there was a guy that had his 7D with 1.0.9 No one believed him...til he showed a picture of it. So there will be a FW update very soon.

Who knows what it is, but it will be soon.

Oct 12, 2009 at 06:11 PM

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PhotogDave wrote:
My friend said he read HEREwhere there was a guy that had his 7D with 1.0.9 No one believed him...til he showed a picture of it. So there will be a FW update very soon.

Who knows what it is, but it will be soon.

On that thread about 1.09 the poster also said only the dealer could do the upgrade and it was 35mb in size. Someone shortly after that showed the same camera image with Firmware 9.9.9.9 which indicates "somthin is goin on." No one else has reported anything other than 1.07.

To close my participation out here is a shot of my dog (who else)... I think the EXIF is attached but I will take this IQ and not be concerned with all the pixels used to produce it. BTW, I looked at my dog closely and he has a "noisy coat."

Oct 12, 2009 at 07:07 PM

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p.12 #20 · Major 7D focus issues

Actually a second person at DPR has claimed to have 1.0.9 on their unit.

Oct 12, 2009 at 08:11 PM

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