fredmiranda.com
Login

Moderated by: Fred Miranda
  New fredmiranda.com Mobile Site
  New Feature: SMS Notification alert
  New Feature: Buy & Sell Watchlist
  

FM Forums | Canon Forum | Join Upload & Sell

1       2       3              10              12              16       17       end
  

Archive 2009 · Major 7D focus issues

  
 
mark fadely
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #1 · Major 7D focus issues


You do have a right to post what you want but you made your point about 30 posts ago and all the subsequent posts have done nothing but make everyone lose respect for you. So if that's what you want then just keep a postin' dude.

Mark

PhotogDave wrote:
Thats fine Mark. If you think they are useless, so what. I have just as much of a right to post negative posts as you do praising them. I also have a 1D3, and right now, its the best I have used, but it will change as it has in the past.

I need to retract my statement about the 7D from my friend. He sent me 5 images, and they are horrible. It doesnt matter how they are viewed, they are horrible. They are straight from the camera large jpeg.
Apprently, he doesnt know whats sharp either. I wish I could
...Show more



Oct 11, 2009 at 07:58 PM
PhotogDave
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #2 · Major 7D focus issues


Heres the best way I can show the images since I cant upload.

The people shots are from my 1D3 shot at f5 ISO 1600 straight from camera. No sharpening done. Just 100% crops from those 2 images.

The dog shots are large jpeg straight from camera. The last one is the best, but as you can see, its still not good.

And for those who think shutter speed matters on this new sensor for some reason, the dog shots were all shot above 1/3200 at ISO 1250.

Link is EXAMPLES



Oct 11, 2009 at 08:08 PM
John McLean
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #3 · Major 7D focus issues


PhotogDave wrote:
Heres the best way I can show the images since I cant upload.

The people shots are from my 1D3 shot at f5 ISO 1600 straight from camera. No sharpening done. Just 100% crops from those 2 images.

The dog shots are large jpeg straight from camera. The last one is the best, but as you can see, its still not good.

And for those who think shutter speed matters on this new sensor for some reason, the dog shots were all shot above 1/3200 at ISO 1250.

Link is EXAMPLES


The dog shot problems look to me to be operator error, not camera error.

Here is a jpg from camera with resizing to post size using CS4 Bicubic Reduction. I thought the subject matter was pertinent since I have been driving MB's cars for over 32 years and noticed your opinion regarding them also....




Oct 11, 2009 at 08:17 PM
mark fadely
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #4 · Major 7D focus issues


Hey Dave, did you have the latest autofocus fix done?

BTW - love the lady asleep in church

Mark



Oct 11, 2009 at 08:20 PM
PhotogDave
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #5 · Major 7D focus issues


Hey Dave, did you have the latest autofocus fix done?

BTW - love the lady asleep in church

Mark


Yes. I bought mine after the mirror issue, and then I was one of the first to get the new fix. My camera landed in NJ the very date the new fix was posted on Canons site. They never said a word about it, then I read some of the very issues that fix post described. Got it back and it was spot on. Then 6months later, I was noticing imags froma wedding I shot that was backfocused with my 24-70 f2.8L and they were shot at f4. So I used Lens Align Pro and had to set all lenses just about to -10 MA. After that, spot on again, for a while, now my 24-70 has needed moving again back towards -5. I have started checking it the day before evey wedding I shoot. You cnat see this on the LCD and the VF always looks spot on, but get home and they are soft, and the sharpest plane is usually behind the subject.

Yes, the sleeping lady was funny. She was the great grandmother of one of my Brides. She said hey to the bride, sat down, I turned around 5 mintures later to the tune of sawing logs. I had to snap that shot.

The dog shot problems look to me to be operator error, not camera error.

Here is a jpg from camera with resizing to post size using CS4 Bicubic Reduction. I thought the subject matter was pertinent since I have been driving MB's cars for over 32 years and noticed your opinion regarding them also....


Who knows, I wasnt there. But I am seeing lots of this quality on the web from the 7D. Its not just him. IANS images show the same characteristics, and many others as well.

The Benz. We didnt build the C Class, thats a slightly different animal. I like the vehicles, but they definitly dont hold up for the money. I can say this. The german built vehicles are held to a higher standard. I have been told directly that when its a European destined vehicle, the same issues must be fixed first. In other words, the Europeans are more picky than USA.



Oct 11, 2009 at 09:07 PM
pingflood
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.11 #6 · Major 7D focus issues


John McLean wrote:
Here is a jpg from camera with resizing to post size using CS4 Bicubic Reduction. I thought the subject matter was pertinent since I have been driving MB's cars for over 32 years and noticed your opinion regarding them also....

http://nevadajack.zenfolio.com/img/v7/p1057554351.jpg


That is some horrendous orange peel for a car that expensive. Unless it was intended to be a "hammered" finish.



Oct 11, 2009 at 09:14 PM
PhotogDave
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #7 · Major 7D focus issues


pingflood wrote:
That is some horrendous orange peel for a car that expensive. Unless it was intended to be a "hammered" finish.



YES. And it was complained about to no end. VP of Quality says, NO ISSUE. Customer wont notice it or return it.

I said, ah MR. VP, the Porshe Cayenne next to out MB looks like smooth glass and ou MB looks like orange. "HE say, "NO SOUP FOR YOU!"

Just one of many.



Oct 11, 2009 at 09:21 PM
mark fadely
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #8 · Major 7D focus issues


That's strange that your focus is moving around like that on the MKIII. Mine has been spot on for around 40,000 frames since the fix in May '09. 90% of my shots with the MKIII are at 300mm and f2.8 so the focus has to be right. If yours is moving like that I would send it back in again since you are shooting at a much larger DOF than I am. Maybe they could fix it once and for all.

Mark


PhotogDave wrote:
Yes. I bought mine after the mirror issue, and then I was one of the first to get the new fix. My camera landed in NJ the very date the new fix was posted on Canons site. They never said a word about it, then I read some of the very issues that fix post described. Got it back and it was spot on. Then 6months later, I was noticing imags froma wedding I shot that was backfocused with my 24-70 f2.8L and they were shot at f4. So I used Lens Align Pro and had to set all lenses
...Show more



Oct 11, 2009 at 09:26 PM
John McLean
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #9 · Major 7D focus issues


pingflood wrote:
That is some horrendous orange peel for a car that expensive. Unless it was intended to be a "hammered" finish.


It is the lighting... looks like glass up close and personal...



Oct 11, 2009 at 09:26 PM
John McLean
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #10 · Major 7D focus issues


PhotogDave wrote:
YES. And it was complained about to no end. VP of Quality says, NO ISSUE. Customer wont notice it or return it.

I said, ah MR. VP, the Porshe Cayenne next to out MB looks like smooth glass and ou MB looks like orange. "HE say, "NO SOUP FOR YOU!"

Just one of many.
;

An expected reply... do you get up this way or does it take a few hours for you to go sour?



Oct 11, 2009 at 09:28 PM
PhotogDave
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #11 · Major 7D focus issues


I am not the one that said anything about the Orange Peel. I just responded to it.

I get up in a great mood. Its not sour, just stating facts. I just dont make excuses for companies that charge premium for their products and give mediocre results.

I expect a 40K car to look good. And no, its not the lighting, it does have more than normal orange peel. Look at their competitors(VW and Audi and BMW). Their paint is smooth as glass. Especially VW/Porsche. But they care.

But thats OK, if its good for you, I dont care, I drive a Chevy Avalanche. Your money. Just wish MB gave you what you paid for.



Oct 11, 2009 at 09:41 PM
John McLean
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #12 · Major 7D focus issues


Did you work in factory or PDI Center? If factory, which one?

You think it has "more than normal orange peel" and I say it is the lighting. Having owned as many MB's as I have, I know what kind of finish a nano paint job looks like and believe me it is as "smooth as glass."




Oct 11, 2009 at 09:50 PM
PhotogDave
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #13 · Major 7D focus issues


I worked in the factory. I was a quality engineer for the plant that builds the M Class, GL and R Class. You may think you know, but you dont. I have seen what they "can" put out for the Auto Shows. The vehicles that go to the Auto Shows get special treatment all the way out the door. And as the Supervior for that department, I was responsible for testing those vehicle myself rather than my guys/girls.

Dont misunderstand what I said, I just responded to another comment on the orange peel because it struck a hot topic from the past. I along with JD Power have complained about it beyond belief. JD Powers stand was "Many of their field surveys show customers would like better paint and were drawn to vehicles having a better paint look" But it didnt help.
Its not aweful. Its probably better than most out there....but they are only better than those vehicles costing in the 15-25,000 price range.

Thing is, the MB Show vehicles we sent out, looked like what VW/Audi produce for every customer. Thats my complaint. I wanted the customer to get their money worth, and I didnt feel they did with MB. I feel they ride the name/tradition of old way to much. they think as long as that star on the front is nice and big and shiny, all is OK. And maybe it is to a larger degree than I realize. But it still doesnt make it right.

As a side note, I also worked at a Honda dealership years ago and so I see what two different companies produce and have been on both sides of the fence.

We've gone way off topic here. If youd like to know more on the topic, feel free to email me. This strikes a nerve with me on Canons side when I see them send out so much questionable equipment. I imagine what the factory is saying in Japanese just as I did when the 1D3 issue was born.

You know 1 or 2 things are fact:
1. Canon knew after much trial testing before release(just as I did at MB) that the Mark3 was not doing as well as the IIn. They exactly what most of the root cause was, but elected not to more testing and repair.

2. If they didnt, then Canons engineers are not what they should be and this one I find way off and would put large sums of money down that its wrong.
So that leaves number only 1, and I can just see the conversation behind closed doors. I've had them, they went like this. "Its too late to make any serious changes in design at this point(R Class), we will make "this" change and let the rest go. We dont think in the end the customer will notice it" "Doesnt matter, its a design issue and we cant change it now"

And so we, the customer inheret this design issue at a premium without any prior knowledge that it was a problem. They just say this is normal and move on.

And for those who say, "If its that bad, just move to another brand" Well, when you own as much equipment as I do, thats not as easy to do. Its not as simple as just sell off everything, use that money to by new. Well, this stuff loses alot of value and I use my equipment to make a living, so its not easy to sell it off and do without it for any length of time. I just have to wait and see if Canon makes another camera thats better.

No, it doesnt do any good on my end with the posts in this thread on Canons part. It does nothing at all. It may very well annoy a lot of people. Most are Canon fanb boys who hate to have their brand tarnished. I saw a fellow photographer expressing his dissatisfaction with his new purchase, and was attacked by doing so, as is anyone that ever posts dissatisfaction, so I responded as a supportive voice of opposition that grew in part because everytime I made a statement, I was responded in a way that had to answer it. Let the guy say what he wants without everyone feeling need to defend Canons honor.

But what it might do is serve the purpose of the forum all together and at least be a voice to a potential buyer thats says "Hey, do some serious research, there are some design flaws with some of Canons stuff. Dont sink a bunch of money here without doing some serious purpose research.

The R class buyers didnt have that. They could have, but wasnt legally allowed to do so. And so, MB will not keep producing the R Class. It was a one life cycle run. Read into that what you will.



Oct 12, 2009 at 07:21 AM
DavidP
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #14 · Major 7D focus issues


JoeLeBlanc wrote:
Your anecdotes are not evidence.


Actually, anecdotes ARE evidence. Thus the phrase, "anecdotal evidence".



Oct 12, 2009 at 07:39 AM
DavidP
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #15 · Major 7D focus issues


patrickphoto wrote:
then sell your camera IanCale.


And exatly WHO do you propose he sell it to?

I don't suppose YOU want to buy it, do you?



Oct 12, 2009 at 07:43 AM
DavidP
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #16 · Major 7D focus issues


Zenon Char wrote:
Maybe it is me but why all of a sudden have I lost my skills overnight?


Buying a new Canon body tends to do that.



Oct 12, 2009 at 07:49 AM
DavidP
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #17 · Major 7D focus issues


mark fadely wrote:
Everyone else is watching too, and it is just getting kind of old.


Seems to me that Canon could do something to fix that.



Oct 12, 2009 at 07:52 AM
DavidP
Offline
• • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #18 · Major 7D focus issues


So, when's RobG scheduled to test the 7D?


Oct 12, 2009 at 07:53 AM
rhorta
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #19 · Major 7D focus issues


tuschinski wrote:
Be angry about the MKIII debacle, be angry about a faulty 7D, go to the shop and shout at the manager.


Hear hear Tuschinski!

The energy spent writing countless posts would be much better spent going to the shop and solving the problem. If that fails, going to Canon and solve the problem. If that fails start nagging on-line and contact some form of customer mediation.

Low post-counts and complaint about new cameras always make me suspicious...

I'll await the reviews and high mileage users to start voicing their opinions before jumping to any premature conclusions.

1. Canon has shown QC issues in the past (but significantly more so than other companies, I don't know).

2. I'm not planning to get 7D because it is not what I am after, a FF 7D equivalent is what I want and will buy after it has been on the market for 3-6 months (more likely the latter).

3. Happy 1D3 and 5D owner, both bodies that received enough FlaK.

Ruy



Oct 12, 2009 at 08:02 AM
PhotogDave
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.11 #20 · Major 7D focus issues


He did a preliminary test as it was released and then suposed to do more AF testing ....I guess hes doing that now.


Oct 12, 2009 at 08:03 AM
1       2       3              10              12              16       17       end




FM Forums | Canon Forum | Join Upload & Sell

1       2       3              10              12              16       17       end
    
 

Welcome back
Log in to your account