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p.1 #1 · Reflector Question....


I am looking at buying a reflector, the double sided kind (silver on one side, gold on the other) for outdoor portrait photography.

I will Typically be taking photo's of one or two people from head shots to full length photo's.

What size reflector would I need to do this? Also are there any particular brands that stand out as a better value than others?

Thanks for your help.



Sep 21, 2009 at 05:00 PM
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p.1 #2 · Reflector Question....


Photoflex is good. I would get white on one side and silver on the other. Even the soft gold is very intense. Ideally you want a huge one for full body portraits. HUGE.


Sep 21, 2009 at 05:09 PM
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lol.... Huge eh? What's huge? 60"?


Sep 21, 2009 at 05:16 PM
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p.1 #4 · Reflector Question....


Ugh, Photoflex is the expensive one I think... that comes from the makers of photovision right?


Sep 21, 2009 at 05:16 PM
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Hi Ian,

The following is a detailed answer intended to help others. Details are important.

Many of my photos are made with natural sunlight and the use of reflective light. I rarely use flash, by choice.

Over the last year or so, I have been asked several times what kind of reflectors and diffusers I use or recommend. I have been meaning to post a detailed review of this kind of stuff for a few months now, but business kept me busy. So here is much of what I was going to share with others, but I have some other things to add that will be posted later in a new topic. I hope you find this draft information helpful.

First, I use all kinds and sizes of reflectors AND diffusers. Everything from large 4 x 8 foot panels to 5 x 5 foot panels and even down to 12" rounds reflectors. I own and use products made by Photoflex, Westcott, Lastolite, and others. Each was purchased for a project or need. I have tried them all. Including very expensive reflectors that cost over $800. Each has some utility. But, which one fits YOUR budget and needs?

There are many options, including using cheap reflectors made for automobile windshields, or even cardboard covered in aluminum foil.

My purpose here is not to tell you to buy the most expensive, nor the cheapest (do it yourself).

My intent is simply to provide you with an EASY and SIMPLE Suggestion that will get you started.

This is my BASIC kit, but one that has some great flexibility, great value, and nice design utility.

I purchased these same items, and am pleased or satisfied with the quality and utility and very pleased with the relatively low cost. So, to me, they represent an outstanding value. I ordered these items via the website (link below), and received them in about 3 days via UPS ground. I believe they shipped the same day I ordered, so I was pleased with the speed of the transaction too. It went smoothly.

Because others will recommend other brands, sizes or stuff, I will call this "Steady's Starter Kit" to make it easy to reference or for comparison in discussion.

Here is my recommendation for THREE things to purchase as a start. I recommend buying them ALL and TOGETHER at the same time. The reason is to have the flexibility to use REFLECTED LIGHT and DIFFUSION at the same time.

Why three?

One is a "5 in 1" kit that will give you the ability to either reflect or diffuse.

One is a small translucent triangle.

One is a small Silver/White reflector triangle.

Each has a purpose.

Here is where I bought mine, and where I got very good service (quick shipment) and good value.

http://www.dmkfoto.com/?Click=381

A word about this store/source.
I purchased these items after searching the web and considering all kinds of sources and types. I bought these items because I wanted to purchase some "low cost" items that I could recommend to others and to evaluate them for my book (I have a chapter on using items like this). So, I was looking for a "less expensive" alternative to the higher priced items I had previously purchased for my studio. To put it simply, not everyone will pay $80 or more for a reflector or diffuser made by a "name brand" and they will then try to use cheap materials (auto reflectors for example) or other things or nothing at all. I understand that. So, these are suggestions for items that may fit into more gear budgets.

I don't think you will find better prices, but I think the prices are not as important as the balance of value (utility/quality/price).

When you get to this website, look at the menu on the side and click on Light Modifiers link and then search the first, and second pages to get the items below or enter the item or product number (shown below). Be aware that there are several pages of modifiers, and it would be easy to mistake one item for another. In other words, there are several different types of items that may appear similar. To get the specific one I use, make sure you match the product code number. You can type this in the search field on the upper left of the website.

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Now, to make this "Steady's Starter Kit" even better, I suggest you ADD a duplicate of the "5 in 1" reflector kit.

Why have TWO?

Because this kind of "5 in 1" does give you the option of five different surfaces, but it makes you use only ONE surface at a time, because the diffuser is the "base" that has the spring steel hoop that provides the shape. So, if you want to use both diffusion and reflection, at the same time in a session, you will need TWO items diffusers (hoops or support surfaces). So, BUY TWO of this item. IF you are really tight with money, you can buy the same size "diffuser" alone for just $30. But, I think it is smart to purchase the entire "5 in 1" kit because it may come in handy in the future to have those other reflective surfaces and in case one of the surfaces gets damaged or lost (it can happen). Fur just that extra $12 you are getting Silver, Black, Gold in addition to the diffuser.
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5 in 1 Multi Surface Reflective Panel 40x60 = $42.99
Product code = 770
All 5 of the most popular and commonly used surfaces are contained within one zip pocketed disc. This is an extra large 40x60 inch panel good enough for full body, large area application.
The translucent surface for softening; silver for the contrast you look for; gold for warm tone; white to fill the shadow; and the black to block out stray light or as background.

You may hang this disc or mount it with a reflector disc holding arm

Steady's Notes: HIGHLY RECOMMENDED! I consider this one of the least expensive and most useful items in my gear bag. It is so easy to use because of the shape and LARGE SIZE. This is a big reflector, but folds down into a small size and bag (comes with pouch). I like this size and shape because it allows me to put diffusion on a standing figure or on two people side by side. For a couples shot, you need that extra surface area. The tall rectangle works well for side light of a 3/4 figure shot. . This item has caused my other shaped (circles, ovals, squares) reflectors to get much less use.

Remember, I suggest you purchase TWO of these at the start so you can use one for diffusion, while using the other for reflection.

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Translucent Triangular Grip DIFFUSER 24 inch = $17.99
Product code = 7240

Steady's Notes: HIGHLY RECOMMENDED! I consider this one of the least expensive and most useful items in my gear bag. It is so easy to use because of the shape and SMALL SIZE. I often shoot with one hand on the camera and one hand holding the diffuser. The grip makes a big difference and has caused my other shaped (circles, ovals, squares) reflectors to get much less use. This is SMALL so it is mostly used for close face shots (head and shoulders OK).

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Translucent Triangular Grip REFLECTOR silver/white 24 inch = $16.49
Product code = 5860
This is the same reflector you see in professional studios. The grip and triangular makes it easy for you to pin-point the area you want to highlight.
The silver surface gives you a cool look and more contrast while the white surface just fills in the shadow.

Folds nicely into a 9 inch carry pouch to carry around.

Steady's Notes: HIGHLY RECOMMENDED! I consider this one of the least expensive and most useful items in my gear bag. It is so easy to use because of the shape and SMALL SIZE. I often shoot with one hand on the camera and one hand holding the reflector. The grip makes a big difference and has caused my other shaped (circles, ovals, squares) reflectors to get much less use. This is SMALL so it is mostly used for close face shots (head and shoulders OK).

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Ian, I hope this information helps you and others.

Like I said, I will add more to this with some other tips and post later in a separate topic, but this is the information that can get you started.

Steady



Sep 21, 2009 at 06:14 PM
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Wow.. thank you so much for the helpful response. I have to ask one question though.... And its a dumb one so brace yourself....

What do you use the diffuser for? O.o

I mean - I know what I diffuser does obviously diffusing the light (right? O.O )

But what would you do with a hand held diffuser? It seems like it would be too small to diffuse the sunlight right? but too big to say... put infront of your onboard flash....

Obviously I have no idea what it would be for lol... so help is appreciated



Sep 21, 2009 at 08:00 PM
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Alright man - I just placed my order. All three Items even though I dont know what the hell the diffuser is for yet

I didn't buy two of the big ones at this point, next pay check I will probably buy another one + Maybe ttwo of the reflector arms (unless you have a better suggestion for supporting these things.)



Sep 21, 2009 at 08:14 PM
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I love my photoflex 5/1 reflector.

I use the silver side 95% of the time. The white side the other 5%.

It's always with me.



Sep 21, 2009 at 08:22 PM
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Ian Bower wrote:
Wow.. thank you so much for the helpful response. I have to ask one question though.... And its a dumb one so brace yourself....

What do you use the diffuser for? O.o

I mean - I know what I diffuser does obviously diffusing the light (right? O.O )

But what would you do with a hand held diffuser? It seems like it would be too small to diffuse the sunlight right? but too big to say... put infront of your onboard flash....

Obviously I have no idea what it would be for lol... so help is appreciated



There is no dumb question.

Questions are just a step in communicating and learning.

Use the diffuser to diffuse the light/sunlight on any "hotspot" type of place (e.g. from dappled sunlight coming through a tree's leaves) you might see on your subject or to soften harsh light.

So, if you are outside (or inside by a window) and the sun is looking too harsh on the skin/face of the person, then hold the diffuser between the light source (sun/window) and their face.

IF you are shooting "close" (head or head and shoulder) even a small diffuser can work but you will likely need to place it close to the face. But, many images have "closeup" compositions, and so this is not a problem. I see MANY images posted here on FM that are close compositions and yet the face is in obvious harsh sunlight (outside pics of kids or at the beach etc) where a diffuser would make a significant positive difference.

IF you are working with another composition that shows more of the body (or two people) then have your assistant hold the other 40x60 diffuser up high enough to diffuse the light. This is easy with these as the "spring frame" style is very lightweight.

As for buying a "reflector arm" or such....

I bought those too (prior to buying the above items). They can work and be helpful. But...I find a "live holder" (person) better.

I hope that helps you and others.




Sep 21, 2009 at 08:46 PM
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oo! good stuff steady...

i may have to spring for the small triangles.

i love my California sunbounce micro-mini bounce. http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/SS0120/



Sep 21, 2009 at 10:32 PM
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I have a boat load of reflectors (okay only 3, but if you count the foam core, like a million).

I've been using this 30 some odd inch westcott illuminator that came with my apollo 28 inch box. It is great for that little extra fill in a head and shoulder, or even say a 3/4.

I have some goober brand that my school gave me, as a 5n1 like 40+ inch. I use it with A clamps on a light stand outdoors. It's great.

I also have a smaller, like 36 inch 5n1. It's cool too. Sometimes the sunfire is just enough warmth to make a vampire look human.



Sep 21, 2009 at 11:11 PM
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tmronin wrote:
i love my California sunbounce micro-mini bounce. http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/SS0120/


+1

Sunbounce's products aren't exactly cheap, but oh man is it good stuff. The micro-mini (2'x3') is excellent if you have to work solo and reflects a fairly narrow beam of light - good for shoulders up or for focusing light on a certain area, much like using a grid on a strobe.

The Mini (3'x4') usually gets a little too unwieldy if you try using it with one hand, so a buddy/assistant is good to have. Good for up to 3/4 length portraits, but will not evenly light a person head to toe.

I have no experience with the larger sizes, but I have my eyes on a sun-swatter... it would open up so many possibilities!

If you have the coin, Sunbounce is the way to go. I'll never use a pop-up reflector outside again if I don't absolutely have to.



Sep 22, 2009 at 12:26 AM
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So I still havn't bought it yet...but

Lastolite skylite. Sunfire and silver. looks so awesome.



Sep 22, 2009 at 12:41 AM
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I like the lastolite trigrips. They are easy to hold when working alone.


Sep 22, 2009 at 05:12 AM
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I have a couple lastolite brand and have used them for about 3 years. Still as good as new. No weak seams or tears and they get used on location and in studio.


Sep 22, 2009 at 12:13 PM
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Photoflex 42" silver/white reflector, Photoflex 42" diffuser, and a 4x6 lastolite skylight panel with silver/white and translucent fabrics (suspended overhead between two light stands). If I knew the 40x60 that Steady mentioned stayed flat and didn't potato chip I'd replace the photoflex diffuser with it because the rectangle is the superior shape, like he said. I also carry a white bedsheet to put over large windows to diffuse the light.


Sep 22, 2009 at 03:01 PM
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p.1 #17 · Reflector Question....


Awesome everyone. Thank you so much for your helpful responses.


Sep 22, 2009 at 04:56 PM
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Ian,

You can check out Joe McNally's blog for a nice picture and small explanation of using a diffuser. Here's a link: http://www.joemcnally.com/blog/page/4/

-Ryan



Sep 25, 2009 at 03:49 PM
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A caveat with silver reflectors is their tendency to create distracting specular reflections on the higher points of shadow side ear and side of the face in the shadows. While that adds detail and modeling to the ear you should consider whether you want the viewer pulled off the eyes and mouth of the person to go look at the ear. If not you'll want smooth, even, uniformly dark shadow on the side of the face so the contrasting brighter front of the face attracts and holds attention there. White reflectors are better for that look.

The cause and effect of why some lighting pattern work better than others is that contrast with the overall tone of the background attracts attention to whatever contrasts with the background the most. The darker and less distracting the shadow side of the face is, the more strongly the viewer off the photo will be pulled to the brighter side on a dark background. On a white background making the side of the head brighter than the front illuminated with the fill will attract and hold attention on the evenly lit, darker (and warmer in color) front of the face.

The illusion of soft and hard is mostly a function of how light or dark the shadows are. You simply need to find a balance between the two perceptual factors -- strong contrast attracting attention and light shadow creating softness and revealing detail - which is age / gender / message appropriate.

There are situation where specular reflections in fill is desirable. The texture of hair or fur and feathers on pets is enhanced with a silver reflector or umbrella on a light, or direct flash because the hairs and feathers have tiny mirror-like flat plates. Specular fill will also create more of an illusion of gloss on damp / oiled skin in glamor / body building shots.

There aren't any rules in any of this, the cause and effect based on how parallel the light rays are coming off the reflector and how they reflect off the objects the light hits. You can learn the cause and effect with objects around the house such as a piece of white mat board, a piece of cardboard covered with foil (dull or shiny side up), car sun screens, etc. which will help you make purchasing decisions informed by personal experience.

I learned portraiture with window light from Monte Zucker who at the time I worked for him shot all his formal wedding portraits by window light and a reflector, so I know how to use one, but I find that with just a reflector it is difficult to get fill where it is needed - on the front of the face the camera sees - and keep it out of view of the camera indoors even with a large source like a window. It is even more difficult to position it effectively and orienting towards the light source when using it with a small artificial source. The more people in the shot, the more difficult it is to fill effectively -- putting fill on the front of the faces evenly.

All things considered a I think a reflector is a better tool for use outdoors where there is light wrapping around a subject 360 degrees to bounce, but outdoors light bouncing off a reflector in the view of the subject will cause squinting. Without an assistant to hold a reflector outdoors the logistics get complicated on a windy day.

Fill flash is simpler and more effective because it can be positioned where it is needed and adjusted to make the shadows as light or dark as the age/ gender/ message require by simply changing its power.

Though its not obvious and a bit counter-intuitive, the key light actually overlaps the fill under the highlights and shadow transitions are smoother when fill comes from the direction of the camera, not fighting the key light from the opposite side. In the studio with artificial light I use a hybrid approach for fill. A fill light over the camera to do the "heavy lifting" of everything the camera sees up to the point the camera can record detail in the shadows, with a reflector on one or both sides to nuance the fill, silver or white depending on the character of the fill the shot requires.

http://super.nova.org/TP/070513_Setup.jpg

The reflectors pictured above are Larson Reflectsols. They are a bit pricey, but very convenient because they fold like umbrellas, are well built ( I've had those since the early '70s ) and the fabric can be interchanged / reversed. Use black fabric and they become flags for subtractive lighting and blocking flare.

http://super.nova.org/TP/BurnsMM01.jpg

Chuck




Sep 25, 2009 at 05:54 PM





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