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Ravitej wrote:
Hey Paul,

Have several of your lights including an ABR and appreciate the products. Since getting the 5D2, been doing a lot of video as well and trying figure out how to use the same basic lighting with continuous florescence. Have a couple 85 Watt 5000K (huge 349W eqv spiral bulbs) that I am using in umbrellas. But I wonder if the 22HOBD might make a good reflector for these giant bulbs. With a bulb that sticks out 10" what will happen to the light and angles of shadow?

Plus, I would love to have an ABR with the flash tubes replaced with high-output 5000K florescence. Seen some DIY and very expensive pro models, but an AB version would be ideal with the same tripod mounts, adjustments for the video DSLR and perhaps mounting of a HOBD type of reflector. That is a look I appreciate for stills and would like to transfer to video. The large moon unit would be fantastic with an ABVR.

Lots going on with the fusion of still and video. I can imagine how to modify AB lights so they work for video. What do you think?

A lamp that long would destroy the focus of the 22HOBD so you wouldn't get much.

Regarding a special flashtube, that would have to be custom made and would be rather expensive. We are not able to do custom things like this. Sorry!

Oct 17, 2009 at 04:26 AM

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Just ordered the HOBD w/ 40 degree grid.

If I use the beauty dish w/ the grid, can you/should you still use the sock? Is a grid almost like a snoot, in that it directs the light and causes less spill?

Oct 19, 2009 at 10:12 PM

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p.6 #3 · PCB new 22" High Output BD

A grid is pretty much like a snoot. You could out the sock on first, then the grid. This would mainly cause a reduction of power VS just using the grid alone. If you put the grid first, then the sock, the sock would undo the effect of the grid.

Oct 19, 2009 at 11:42 PM

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Putting a sock on pretty much diminishes the point in using the dish in the first place. If you like that soft, filtered effect, you're better off using a softbox. Try a few shots without the sock at different distances (primarily close to the subject) from your subject and the review to see what looks most appealing. If you don't like the effect, then throw on the sock.

Oct 20, 2009 at 12:40 AM

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Deezie wrote:
Putting a sock on pretty much diminishes the point in using the dish in the first place. If you like that soft, filtered effect, you're better off using a softbox. Try a few shots without the sock at different distances (primarily close to the subject) from your subject and the review to see what looks most appealing. If you don't like the effect, then throw on the sock.

Softboxes are neither round nor as efficient. But your analysis is correct.

Oct 20, 2009 at 05:33 AM

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p.6 #6 · PCB new 22" High Output BD

Hey Everyone, a GRIP arm is what you want for your beauty dish on a light stand. I bought one for 39 bucks @ Calumet photo. It gives me the perfect reach I need to do whatever I want with an AB light and beauty dish. check out calumetphoto.com

Oct 20, 2009 at 06:17 AM

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http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/MF7011/

Oct 20, 2009 at 06:20 AM

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LA, grip arms are great, but if that's all you need it for, you're better off with a grip head and a 6-9'' baby pin. Ideally, you'll have both available depending on whether you just need to point it down or if you want to extend the BD a little to get some extra working space.

Oct 20, 2009 at 06:23 AM

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p.6 #9 · PCB new 22" High Output BD

Hey Bacilonur, yeah I like having the lee way that grip arms give me with the 40" of reach. Gives me the versatility I need. I rented a mathews mini boom that was really cool, but It ended up being ov erkill...even the counter weight was too much.

So I settled for a 36 dollar part that does absolutely well!

I may have to look into a baby pin though for some uses..i've not seen one.

thanks a bunch!

Oct 20, 2009 at 03:51 PM

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Dear Friends

Speaking of grip arms, I took Simon and Carmen's recommendation for the Avenger Avenger 2030D kit.

What's the second grip head for, the one on the end of the grip arm? Is there a typical use for it?

I'm guessing that's where a drop-down pin would go if I were using one, but right now I have a B400 with barndoors mounted directly to the other end of the grip arm. My plan for the stand is for Paul's new beauty dish.

This stand is a lot beefier than I thought it'd be, and operation of the knobs and clamps inspires confidence.

--Jaddie

Oct 20, 2009 at 05:27 PM

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p.6 #11 · PCB new 22" High Output BD

Dear Paul

What's the latest information you have for when you'll receive the next shipment of your new beauty dish?

--Jaddie

Oct 20, 2009 at 05:30 PM

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maczilla wrote:
What's the second grip head for, the one on the end of the grip arm? Is there a typical use for it?

Hanging flags, nets, scrims, reflector panels or gobos...basically you reverse which end of the arm is the "business end" depending on whether you're attaching a strobe or a piece of grip. Those different-diameter holes correspond to different standardized shafts on the various grip stuff most-often hung on photo and film sets, basically. If you're attaching a strobe to the end of the arm, then the additional grip head sorta becomes a combo handle/counterweight.

I'd show you photos but Flickr's been down for the last several hours.

EDIT: Flickr's back up.

You can see a bunch of flags and whatnot held in grip heads below:

This image is copyrighted by the owner

Larger version should be available here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shatterkiss/3848000811/in/set-72157600213628463

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Oct 20, 2009 at 05:35 PM

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maczilla wrote:
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What's the latest information you have for when you'll receive the next shipment of your new beauty dish?

--Jaddie
I think they're coming in today or tomorrow. Check with customer service for accurate answer. I'm working on a white version right now.

Oct 20, 2009 at 06:21 PM

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Dear Simon

Thank you. I see.

--Jaddie

Oct 20, 2009 at 09:49 PM

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Dear Paul

Thanks for answering my question. I didn't realize you were receiving them so soon. I plan to buy your new dish in the next few weeks.

I have another question if you have the time to answer it: what's a white version of the new beauty dish supposed to do that the silver version with sock won't do?

--Jaddie

Oct 20, 2009 at 10:04 PM

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maczilla, check this out:

http://www.stepheneastwood.com/tutorials/Tutorials_beautydish.htm

He talks about white and silver BDs down at the bottom.

Oct 20, 2009 at 10:09 PM

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Dear Future Man

Thank you.

--Jaddie

Oct 21, 2009 at 01:31 AM

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maczilla wrote:
Dear Paul

Thanks for answering my question. I didn't realize you were receiving them so soon. I plan to buy your new dish in the next few weeks.

I have another question if you have the time to answer it: what's a white version of the new beauty dish supposed to do that the silver version with sock won't do?

--Jaddie
The white version gives you much lower output over a very wide angle, with less specularity - good for close in work. The silver is so efficient you will have to use mighty low power to use it in close. But if you put the sock on the silver they are pretty close in output and "softness"

Oct 21, 2009 at 04:37 AM

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Any rough estimate on when the white version will be out?

Oct 22, 2009 at 06:17 PM

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Zach Schwoebel wrote:
Any rough estimate on when the white version will be out?

It already is out. Look on the website.
http://www.alienbees.com/22r.html

Oct 22, 2009 at 06:50 PM

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Paul Buff wrote:
maczilla wrote:
Dear Paul

What's the latest information you have for when you'll receive the next shipment of your new beauty dish?

--Jaddie
I think they're coming in today or tomorrow. Check with customer service for accurate answer. I'm working on a white version right now.

Oct 22, 2009 at 07:43 PM

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Zach Schwoebel wrote:
Any rough estimate on when the white version will be out?

Shouldn't be too long - I'm waiting on a time frame from the vendor. I would anticipate around 30 days, but when I anticipate her I get slammed. I believe we are out of the classic 22BD.

Oct 23, 2009 at 03:55 AM

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Zach Schwoebel wrote:
Paul Buff wrote:
maczilla wrote:
Dear Paul

What's the latest information you have for when you'll receive the next shipment of your new beauty dish?

--Jaddie
I think they're coming in today or tomorrow. Check with customer service for accurate answer. I'm working on a white version right now.

I just learned they haven't been shipped yet - I thought they had. We did receive a new shipment with cosmetic flaws - sctraches on the outside that don't affect performance. People have been happy with them and the discount.

Oct 23, 2009 at 03:59 AM

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Paul, I got my HOBD. As with other modifiers I've tried, it doesn't exactly fit snug on my AB800, which I assume is just a downside of the mounting system used on ABs. It's not much, but it does droop off a bit.

I was wondering if the Einstein will provide a more robust mount or do I have to move up to a WL for something like this? Is this just a downside of the ABs being such small units?

Oct 24, 2009 at 01:39 PM

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Future Man wrote:
Paul, I got my HOBD. As with other modifiers I've tried, it doesn't exactly fit snug on my AB800, which I assume is just a downside of the mounting system used on ABs. It's not much, but it does droop off a bit.

I was wondering if the Einstein will provide a more robust mount or do I have to move up to a WL for something like this? Is this just a downside of the ABs being such small units?

Are you saying that the dish isn't tight to the strobe or that the elbow of the stand mount slips?

My dish fits snug to the strobe. I wonder if some of the 4 angled mounting tabs are bent a bit open.

Oct 24, 2009 at 03:40 PM


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