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p.23 #1Canon EOS 7D Master thread
WRT exchangeable screens -
Do we know what the "cutoff" aperture is? AFAIK, ever EOS D-SLR shows DoF at f/2.8 or slower, perhaps this has built in support for quicker lenses? Or there's a CFn to set the screen to "emulate" the EE-s (I think that's the fast lens screen)?
Just a thought, because I've not read anything that states either way.
Do we know what the "cutoff" aperture is? AFAIK, ever EOS D-SLR shows DoF at f/2.8 or slower, perhaps this has built in support for quicker lenses? Or there's a CFn to set the screen to "emulate" the EE-s (I think that's the fast lens screen)?
Just a thought, because I've not read anything that states either way.
Sep 03, 2009 at 06:05 PM
p.23 #2Canon EOS 7D Master thread
It would be REAL handy for me to have the gizmo project 4:5 crop marks on the sides.
According to the dpreview preview (page 12) you can specify different aspect ratios of 6:6, 3:4, 4:5, 6:7, 10:12 and 5:7. One would hope that the "gizmo" (as you refer to it) would project grid lines for those ratios (but I didn't see any evidence of that).
Wes N.
According to the dpreview preview (page 12) you can specify different aspect ratios of 6:6, 3:4, 4:5, 6:7, 10:12 and 5:7. One would hope that the "gizmo" (as you refer to it) would project grid lines for those ratios (but I didn't see any evidence of that).
Wes N.
Sep 03, 2009 at 06:19 PM
p.23 #3Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Pixel Perfect wrote:
... and as Paula argues, why offer the screens on the earlier models with their smaller darker VF's?
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Cute, Whayne, very cute.
... and as Paula argues, why offer the screens on the earlier models with their smaller darker VF's?
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Cute, Whayne, very cute.
Sep 03, 2009 at 06:37 PM
p.23 #4Canon EOS 7D Master thread
michael49 wrote:
I was planning on upgrading to the 5DmkII, but I was underwhelmed with what Canon did with it. I'm not really a high ISO shooter. Keeping my old 5D and upgrading the 40D with the 7D might be the way to go, at least until the 3D is announced.
I am a high-ISO shooter, but I'm not sure the 7D will have the AF I want. Right now I'm very unhappy with my 40D AI Servo in low-light, and I was hoping for high-ISO performance closer to the MkIII. I'm going to wait for some real tests, but I think I'm going to conclude I should get a used MkIII, which isn't a whole lot more than a 7D+grip.
Although I would love the reach of the 7D......
Mark
I was planning on upgrading to the 5DmkII, but I was underwhelmed with what Canon did with it. I'm not really a high ISO shooter. Keeping my old 5D and upgrading the 40D with the 7D might be the way to go, at least until the 3D is announced.
I am a high-ISO shooter, but I'm not sure the 7D will have the AF I want. Right now I'm very unhappy with my 40D AI Servo in low-light, and I was hoping for high-ISO performance closer to the MkIII. I'm going to wait for some real tests, but I think I'm going to conclude I should get a used MkIII, which isn't a whole lot more than a 7D+grip.
Although I would love the reach of the 7D......
Mark
Sep 03, 2009 at 07:51 PM
p.23 #5Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Yes I read that it does - I think on Galbraiths site.
Jim Quinn wrote:
Hi,
Does the 7D allow lenses to be micro-adjusted? I have scrolled through the Canon site's specification list but didn't find that feature.
Thanks!
Jim Quinn
Jim Quinn wrote:
Hi,
Does the 7D allow lenses to be micro-adjusted? I have scrolled through the Canon site's specification list but didn't find that feature.
Thanks!
Jim Quinn
Sep 03, 2009 at 08:02 PM
p.23 #6Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Jim Victory wrote:
I don't know about you but after using MF for over 30 years I was glad to go to AF. I sometime MF when the need arises but I have never needed a special screen to do so.
Jim
+1
keithreeder wrote
God, this MF blather is getting old...Jim
+1
Sep 03, 2009 at 08:43 PM
p.23 #9Canon EOS 7D Master thread
digitalbug30d wrote:
I don't know about you but after using MF for over 30 years I was glad to go to AF. I sometime MF when the need arises but I have never needed a special screen to do so.
Jim+1
+2
Jim Victory wrote
keithreeder wrote
God, this MF blather is getting old...Jim
+2
Sep 03, 2009 at 09:22 PM
p.23 #10Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Crop lines for various aspect ratios sounds fantastic. I usually do all my cropping in post (since the lack of full coverage on my XT always give me images that I need to crop in post).
Its also weird that people accept not getting accurate DoF from their Viewfinders. Lets go even farther, remove the Viewfinder alltogether and just display a Live View feed on the LCD with the AF points. There's no point in fine tuning focus if you're going to be totally reliant on the AF.
Edited on Sep 03, 2009 at 09:46 PM · View previous versions
Its also weird that people accept not getting accurate DoF from their Viewfinders. Lets go even farther, remove the Viewfinder alltogether and just display a Live View feed on the LCD with the AF points. There's no point in fine tuning focus if you're going to be totally reliant on the AF.
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Sep 03, 2009 at 09:33 PM
p.23 #11Canon EOS 7D Master thread
walter23 wrote:
It looks like a Nikon.
Yeah. I don't like the printing on the buttons either. It is nice to be able to put your finger on a button and still see what it does.
It looks like a Nikon.
Yeah. I don't like the printing on the buttons either. It is nice to be able to put your finger on a button and still see what it does.
Sep 03, 2009 at 09:33 PM
p.23 #12Canon EOS 7D Master thread
walter23 wrote:
It looks like a Nikon.
Aaaah... maybe that is why I like it
It looks like a Nikon.
Aaaah... maybe that is why I like it
Sep 03, 2009 at 09:39 PM
p.23 #13Canon EOS 7D Master thread
walter23 wrote:
It looks like a Nikon.
I like Nikon bodies I had a few 3 or 4 years ago and love the ergonomics of the D200 what a nice camera
It looks like a Nikon.
I like Nikon bodies I had a few 3 or 4 years ago and love the ergonomics of the D200 what a nice camera
Sep 03, 2009 at 09:52 PM
p.23 #14Canon EOS 7D Master thread
GeneO wrote:
That's exactly it, and that's why people like Paul (cog) and myself bemoan yet another slightly but annoyingly incomplete offering.
I still believe EOS is the best all-round system, but it's a struggle, whether I'm wielding a 1Ds3 or a 5D2 or a 500D, because Canon will not make one complete affordable bleeding edge camera which doesn't weigh a tonne.Lift some weights. It is less aggravating
Seriously though you are vilifying Canon for not providing the features you want in a lighter weight body though I, and I think many others, like the balance of th 1D series over the xxD or 5D.
Geneand you have your massive boat anchors.... we don't have the light bodies.
face it a 1 series is a PITA if you are say running around all day on vacation, kinda bulky
and as for lift weights the problem is if i get in better shape then i simply take longer hikes/do more in a day and the heavier body still feels like a drag....I don't mind carrying it around on vacation and I don't find it a PITA. But I sure don't need changeable screens or MF for vacation shots either.
Cheers
i get many of my bet shots on vacation and have needed to rely on MF or liveview MF at times.
skibum5 wrote
GeneO wrote
brainiac wrote
scott f wrote
Personally I think Canon deliberately does this, otherwise we might end up getting a camera that we want, and not upgrading every year or two. Kind of like chasing a rainbow I'm afraid.I still believe EOS is the best all-round system, but it's a struggle, whether I'm wielding a 1Ds3 or a 5D2 or a 500D, because Canon will not make one complete affordable bleeding edge camera which doesn't weigh a tonne.
Seriously though you are vilifying Canon for not providing the features you want in a lighter weight body though I, and I think many others, like the balance of th 1D series over the xxD or 5D.
Gene
face it a 1 series is a PITA if you are say running around all day on vacation, kinda bulky
and as for lift weights the problem is if i get in better shape then i simply take longer hikes/do more in a day and the heavier body still feels like a drag....
Cheers
i get many of my bet shots on vacation and have needed to rely on MF or liveview MF at times.
Sep 03, 2009 at 10:06 PM
p.23 #15Canon EOS 7D Master thread
Jeff Nolten wrote:
If the per pixel resolution is as good as my 40D, then my 100-400 maximum reach will have gained 200 mm. If they are claiming 2 stops of generally improved noise performance, then how much better noise performance would the 7D's sraw be than my 40D's equally sized raw? I hope this lives up to its specs.
I have not been too tempted to trade up my 5D 1 for the mk 2 since its 12.8 MP and noise levels have not needed improvement for my use. At the wide end of things you crop with zoom and time is...Show more →
probably not quite the per pixel, especially with that zoom, but it will surely deliver a lot more reach all the same
no way 2 stops better noise for the 7D over 40D (even the D700/5D2/D3X don't quite have 2 stops better )
If the per pixel resolution is as good as my 40D, then my 100-400 maximum reach will have gained 200 mm. If they are claiming 2 stops of generally improved noise performance, then how much better noise performance would the 7D's sraw be than my 40D's equally sized raw? I hope this lives up to its specs.
I have not been too tempted to trade up my 5D 1 for the mk 2 since its 12.8 MP and noise levels have not needed improvement for my use. At the wide end of things you crop with zoom and time is...Show more →
probably not quite the per pixel, especially with that zoom, but it will surely deliver a lot more reach all the same
no way 2 stops better noise for the 7D over 40D (even the D700/5D2/D3X don't quite have 2 stops better
)Sep 03, 2009 at 10:14 PM
p.23 #16Canon EOS 7D Master thread
dcmiller wrote:
Adobe Premiere is difficult. Sony Vegas is easier on PC. On mac Final Cut Express.
premiere does seem to allow better final quality if you care about making 1920x1080p at the absolute best you can than sony vegas though.
timbop wrote
As long as we're talking video, what's a reasonably priced/featured editing package? Does CS4 have something in it's suite?premiere does seem to allow better final quality if you care about making 1920x1080p at the absolute best you can than sony vegas though.
Sep 03, 2009 at 10:16 PM
p.23 #17Canon EOS 7D Master thread
timbop wrote:
OK, so assuming I record in "vga" resolution, if I convert that to an mpeg-2 standard def DVD will the aspect ratio be correct? Anyone have any idea if the results would be reasonably good?
DVD doesn't have a set aspect ratio so that can't be ansered.
vga mode on the 7D is 4:3 though
it's other modes are 16:9
SD TV is 4:3
HDTV and EDTV are 16:9
movies are usually 1.85:1 or 2.35-2.40:1 but some have been 2.20:1 and 4:3 and so on I think some european movies use some weird ratio that i dont recall.
computer monitors for some odd reason are usually 4:3 or 16:10 (not 16:9 like HDTVs, somewhat annoying for the ones that don't letterbox but forceably stretch external inputs)
OK, so assuming I record in "vga" resolution, if I convert that to an mpeg-2 standard def DVD will the aspect ratio be correct? Anyone have any idea if the results would be reasonably good?
DVD doesn't have a set aspect ratio so that can't be ansered.
vga mode on the 7D is 4:3 though
it's other modes are 16:9
SD TV is 4:3
HDTV and EDTV are 16:9
movies are usually 1.85:1 or 2.35-2.40:1 but some have been 2.20:1 and 4:3 and so on I think some european movies use some weird ratio that i dont recall.
computer monitors for some odd reason are usually 4:3 or 16:10 (not 16:9 like HDTVs, somewhat annoying for the ones that don't letterbox but forceably stretch external inputs)
Sep 03, 2009 at 10:21 PM
p.23 #18Canon EOS 7D Master thread
WesN wrote:
According to the dpreview preview (page 12) you can specify different aspect ratios of 6:6, 3:4, 4:5, 6:7, 10:12 and 5:7. One would hope that the "gizmo" (as you refer to it) would project grid lines for those ratios (but I didn't see any evidence of that).
Wes N.
Wow I missed that one... Will see but in that case I'm sold on that, the focus and the flash controller from the popup
Earlier quote
It would be REAL handy for me to have the gizmo project 4:5 crop marks on the sides.Wes N.
Wow I missed that one... Will see but in that case I'm sold on that, the focus and the flash controller from the popup
Sep 03, 2009 at 10:57 PM
p.23 #19Canon EOS 7D Master thread
cogitech wrote:
.Cute, Whayne, very cute.
Oh, sorry Paul that was a typo. I was wondering what I said.
Pixel Perfect wrote
... and as Paula argues, why offer the screens on the earlier models with their smaller darker VF's?.
Oh, sorry Paul that was a typo. I was wondering what I said.
Sep 04, 2009 at 12:49 AM
p.23 #20Canon EOS 7D Master thread
skibum5 wrote:
no way 2 stops better noise for the 7D over 40D (even the D700/5D2/D3X don't quite have 2 stops better )
I did some pixel-peeping tonight at the Imaging Resource samples.
Compared only ISO-800/NR-off samples of the 40D vs. the 7D.
The 7D seems to have identical noise as the 40D at the pixel level.
Maybe a hair better. Certainly not worse, which was my concern.
That should translate to somewhat less noise at the image-level.
Detail is obviously better on the 7D.
The noise also has different characteristics on the two cameras.
I would say that it’s more film-like on the 40D because of the coarser grain.
On the 7D the noise is finer and grittier and at 100% crops looks worse than the 40D noise. At normal viewing sizes and distances, though, it's less visible.
Another interesting thing - the 7D renders colors differently from Canon's recent cameras (or maybe just the default 7D settings are different?).
In the 7D Canon seems to have gone back to the 30D colors. Don't know what the reason is for that.
These colors are certainly closer to the D300 colors than to the 40D/50D colors.
no way 2 stops better noise for the 7D over 40D (even the D700/5D2/D3X don't quite have 2 stops better
)I did some pixel-peeping tonight at the Imaging Resource samples.
Compared only ISO-800/NR-off samples of the 40D vs. the 7D.
The 7D seems to have identical noise as the 40D at the pixel level.
Maybe a hair better. Certainly not worse, which was my concern.
That should translate to somewhat less noise at the image-level.
Detail is obviously better on the 7D.
The noise also has different characteristics on the two cameras.
I would say that it’s more film-like on the 40D because of the coarser grain.
On the 7D the noise is finer and grittier and at 100% crops looks worse than the 40D noise. At normal viewing sizes and distances, though, it's less visible.
Another interesting thing - the 7D renders colors differently from Canon's recent cameras (or maybe just the default 7D settings are different?).
In the 7D Canon seems to have gone back to the 30D colors. Don't know what the reason is for that.
These colors are certainly closer to the D300 colors than to the 40D/50D colors.
Sep 04, 2009 at 02:00 AM