32067dlm wrote:
It's not going to happen. Assuming any of this is true, it is starting to look more and more like a 50D with video. I think adding a camera between the 5DII and the 50D is foolish. We would win, but not a good business move. I would much prefer a blend of the 5DII, 1DIII, and 1DsIII. Put them in a food processor, then "bam", perfect camera at $3499. I'm not sure that will happen either. It would be hard to create a Full Frame Rebel-like camera with a price point above the 50D. So I'm back to thinking the 5DII is the best mix for me. Isn't if funny how we each think our dream camera is reasonable, yet they're so different?...Show more →
I actually think adding a model between the 50D and 5D is quite smart as the price difference between the 2 is >$1500. I'm sure there is a market in there somewhere.
Though I've never missed the built in flash, I'm not sure why there's so much aversion to it. Imo there are far more useless features (e.g. RAW mode for a JPG shooter, AI Servo for a Landscape shooter, Video for a photographer etc). Just because some of us don't use it, does that mean we should not have features like RAW mode, AI Servo, video etc?
32067dlm wrote:
It's not going to happen. Assuming any of this is true, it is starting to look more and more like a 50D with video. I think adding a camera between the 5DII and the 50D is foolish. We would win, but not a good business move. I would much prefer a blend of the 5DII, 1DIII, and 1DsIII. Put them in a food processor, then "bam", perfect camera at $3499. I'm not sure that will happen either. It would be hard to create a Full Frame Rebel-like camera with a price point above the 50D. So I'm back to thinking the 5DII is the best mix for me. Isn't if funny how we each think our dream camera is reasonable, yet they're so different?...Show more →
Having a "blend" of 1D, 1Ds and 5D would be even worst business move. This would kill 1Ds series for sure...
Dawei Ye wrote:
Though I've never missed the built in flash, I'm not sure why there's so much aversion to it. Imo there are far more useless features (e.g. RAW mode for a JPG shooter, AI Servo for a Landscape shooter, Video for a photographer etc). Just because some of us don't use it, does that mean we should not have features like RAW mode, AI Servo, video etc?
For me, it's really not a matter of using it or not, although I don't, it's a matter of trade-offs. Built in flash = huge bubble on top of camera or smaller viewfinder! Also have you ever tried using the pop up flash with a large lens? Say 24-70 with hood?
It looks to be slightly smaller than a 5D in body size, about the same overall outside dimensions as a 50D but still looks smaller, yet big enough have to control knob on the left.
If its rumoured price ( close to the 5Dii) is anything to go by, its a pretty high spec'd camera.
I hazarding a guess of a APS-H (~12-16Mp) , 6-8 fps, New AF camera spec's, which outstrip anything below the 1D that Canon has produced so far. Based on relative premium for cameras that people have been willing to pay for the 1D and 1Ds, its what I'm guessing it will turn out.
The xxD range will remain the 'enthusiast' series for hobbyists.
Or its the replacement moniker for the xxD range altogether ? Since they now have the absolute 'entry range' covered by the xxxxD series. And the xxxD is supposed to be 1 level up ?
maxxevv wrote:
It looks to be slightly smaller than a 5D is body size, about the same overall outside dimensions as a 50D, yet big enough have to control knob on the left.
If its rumoured price is anything to go by, its a pretty high spec'd camera.
I hazarding a guess of a APS-H (~12-16Mp) , 6-8 fps, New AF camera spec's, which outstrip anything below the 1D that Canon has produced so far. Based on relative premium for cameras that people have been willing to pay for the 1D and 1Ds, its what I'm guessing it will turn out.
The xxD range will remain the 'enthusiast' series for hobbyists.
Or its the replacement moniker for the xxD range altogether ? Since they now have the absolute 'entry range' covered by the xxxxD series. And the xxxD is supposed to be 1 level up ? ...Show more →
I don't think it will happen, but I'd buy the first (APS-H) camera you described. My philosophy is that if I approach silly season with pessimism, I will be delightfully content with whatever's announced. I don't get my hopes up too seriously about the 3D, so I can be happy buying a 5DII! A real camera.
jamesf99 wrote:
Why would you want a lower end camera? I understand the price aspect...
...because I want full frame but can do without AF, 21 Mpixels, weather sealing, 4 fps, 1080p, liveview etcetera. Basically a 5D sensor in a really cheap body is great for me. I won't sell my 5D2's, but I will buy 1 or 2 of these if they are full-frame and really cheap, i.e. £800 or less. Canon revolutionised the market by putting full-frame sensors in 1D, then 5D. They made a bunch of cash out of full-frame at all, or cheaper than anyone. Why not continue the party with something like a 5D sensor in a really cheap body? I think punters would buy handfuls of them, and that's why the built-in flash makes sense.
>I make no bones about it, a built in flash (for me) is like tits on a bull (I'm sure you have a similar expression in the UK). :)
We say "as useful as a chocolate teapot". Actually my father has a funnier expression from his Navy days but it's unrepeatable here.
The D700 shows that built-in flashes and good viewfinders are entirely separate concerns. It's not one or the other. I shoot a lot of flash pictures and built-in flashes work well for me. I like the way they cast little shadow and run off the same battery as the camera. You don't need to remember to carry them, and you don't need to carry them. Convenient.
32067dlm wrote:
But the autofocus can't be significantly better than the 5DII which is aimed at Nikon's D700!
Nah I disagree with that, the 5DII and D700 are vastly different, they just both have full frame sensors and cost around the same, feature wise they're chalk and cheese, the D700 is a "jack of all trades" (and arguably master of none) pro-level camera in a compact body. The 5DII is pretty tailored towards studio and landscape work, a 1Ds for those that don't need 'pro' AF or build quality.
Amen to that. I've a 5D2 as well, and I love it. But I would like a basic affordable FF backup, don't need stellar fast AF, don't need weather sealing, quite frankly can cope with Rebel body quality with FF if, and this is the big if, the price is right. A well priced plastic fantastic FF body would certainly have me reaching for my chequebook.
I would prefer to spend my money on Canon lenses than bodies, lenses will be around longer!
"There are whispers that the Best Buy inventory system is listing the body at $2700 and the kit with an EF 28-135 lens at $2900, but we can't verify those at the moment."
If it is full frame and has pro-level AF and weather sealing, good high ISO performance, with decent resolution, I'd buy it at that price. That's the 3D we've been talking about.
I could care less about the FPS and the actual resolution, as long as the AF is good. It would also be a plus to have at least 98% viewfinder coverage.
David Baldwin wrote:
"Please please please cheap full-frame"
Amen to that. I've a 5D2 as well, and I love it. But I would like a basic affordable FF backup, don't need stellar fast AF, don't need weather sealing, quite frankly can cope with Rebel body quality with FF if, and this is the big if, the price is right. A well priced plastic fantastic FF body would certainly have me reaching for my chequebook.
I would prefer to spend my money on Canon lenses than bodies, lenses will be around longer!
Agree.......I always think that the original Rebel was groundbreaking in a sense that it was the first dSLR in the market available to the masses under $1000....... Now the next hurdle is for the first full dSLR to follow that route.
..........I know it's wishful thinking but it'll get there.
Mike1.6 wrote:
Funny, I was thinking the same thing. I was looking for tell-tale lighting and shadow irregularities but couldn't find any. Tantalizing.
As far as pop-up flash goes...in a pinch I'll take it over not having any extra light. Count me in.
Actually I believe you're all mistaken. There is no pop-up flash. In fact, you'll never have to carry a strobe again. When the button is pressed the user invokes the lighting power of Zeus's E-TTL II thunderbolts. You can also assign to three groups, and fire each at varying powers. Best part? X-Sync at 1/8000 of a second. Oh yeah.
