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philber wrote:
So far, based on the price difference between D3 and D3X, the difference between the 12Mp sensor and related electronics and its 23 Mp sensor brethren is staggeringly high. So I wouldn't expect D700X to be anywhere close to the D700 in price, or else it would show something to be badly amiss in the D3 "family".
And then something will become obvious for all to see: just as Canon 5D MkII is not a 1DsMkIII for 5D money, D700X will not be a D3X for D700 money.

Do you think it will be dearer than the D3? Do you think pro pricing has anything to do with consumer pricing? The D700 already showed something to be badly amiss compared to the D3, 95% of the camera for 60% of the price, every body was wondering what Nikon were smoking; it will kill off D3 sales. Do you really believe the D700x will be more than about $1K dearer than a 5D II. No one here would have ever believed the 5D II could use the 1Ds III sensor in a camera costing $2700 and suggestions that it could, would have been laughed down. Just as the D3x is an obscene rip off, so is the 1Ds III, they are priced at a premium because they can do so. This is not a competitive sector with lots of manufacturers vying for a slice of the pie. It's still represents good value compared to MF and many pros would be able to depreciate the cost of the cameras anyway over their lifetime.

Jul 14, 2009 at 05:52 AM

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p.3 #2 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

It took them three years to come out with the mk2 - what makes you think they are going to come out with a replacement this fast? Also, in those three years, the only thing they really changed was the sensor...

I could see how considering future updates of xxD and 1D mkX makes sense as new ones are released on a regular basis.

Jul 14, 2009 at 10:53 AM

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p.3 #3 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

Maybe I'm alone on some crazy island here but, why do so many people seem to think the 5D2 or any Canon body is soo inferior to Nikon. I'll be the first to admit that Nikon makes a good product and I have absolutely no problem with anyone that owns Nikon equipment. But, some people make it sound like Canon cameras are about as high quality as something that came out of a cereal box. I feel that the build quality of my 5D2 is quite good. Ergonomics and the user interface and controls are also excellent. Have any of you Canon complainers ever seen all of the buttons on a D300/D700 or tried to set a custom white balance. As far as AF goes, the 5D2 has excellent center point servo performance, at least in my experience. There are of course things that can be improved on, and these are areas where Nikon may have a few advantages. Outer point focusing on the 5D2 is it's only true weekness in my opinion but, you can work around it. IQ is absolutely out of this world!

Jul 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM

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I suffer the 5D2 focus system because I like smaller lighter bodies. Size-weight matters more to me.

+1 on this. I'm currently looking to upgrade to FF, but weight is a key factor for me also as most of my pictures are taken in the hills when i'm either skiing or walking/camping. I've used a 1DsII and it really was a class above any other digital body else i've used, but i'm not willing to carry a 1.2Kg camera for 20-30Km. Also i'm a little worried that carrying round a 1 series camera in normal day to day use makes you look like a "Pro" and thus attracts problems which don't arise when you look more like an amateur.

For these reasons i've ignored two used 1dsII's advertised locally in recent weeks (and i can afford to buy one). Also, i'm unwilling to spend the cost of a 5D mk2 on a camera which doesn't offer decent build and weather sealing.

For me, a 5D sized camera which has "Pro" build and weather sealing would be perfect. Personally, i'm not so bothered about the AF or 21MP (or video), but it does seem odd to me that an xD series body gets worse AF than a xxD series body. I'm not going to make wild statements about switching to Nikon to get satisfaction, as i like the Canon lens lineup and ergonomics (and i can't afford to switch anyway), but it would be nice if Canon were able to offer something which competes head to head with the D700, as on paper that looks to be pretty much what i want. And i don't think i'm alone.

Jul 14, 2009 at 11:09 AM

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Jul 14, 2009 at 06:48 PM

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p.3 #6 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

Since we're pontificating:

What if there was a 6D : 16.7 Mp, weather-sealing, better AF (1Ds) no video? Not a 21 Mp monster to kill off 1Ds-III sales or compete with video on 5D.mk2.

I'd buy that!

Jul 15, 2009 at 01:32 AM

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p.3 #7 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

you may buy that, but at what price? before the 5d II came out, everyone was predicting $2000 HAHAHAHAHA.

People on these forums seem to want something for NOTHING. heck, throw something up for sale in the used section and you'll see how true this is.

Many people are vultures and talk a big game about buying things, but when it comes time to lay down the cabbage, their game is all dried up.

Jul 15, 2009 at 02:12 AM

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p.3 #8 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

15Bit wrote:
brainiac wrote:
I suffer the 5D2 focus system because I like smaller lighter bodies. Size-weight matters more to me.

Also, i'm unwilling to spend the cost of a 5D mk2 on a camera which doesn't offer decent build and weather sealing.

Ah dunno, I'm holding a 5DII and it feels like a friggen brick 'o magnesium. Solid as a rock and a little more beefy than my 5D and 50D (which are pretty durn solid too). Canon claims weather sealing for the 5DII albeit not 1 series caliber. Although my 50D has better AF on the outer points, the 5DII whips it good in AI servo (I assume due to the extra 6 AF assist points). Thus I'd describe 5DII AF as equal to 50D AF but with different weaknesses and strengths.

As for security guards, park rangers, cops, etc., hassling you for looking like a pro--no such luck. I've been nailed with my XTi, 40D and 5D multiple times. The 5DII isn't any less pro looking. To a rent-a-cop the 5D series looks as pro as a Rebel or 1DsIII.

Jul 15, 2009 at 02:47 AM

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Gochugogi wrote:
15Bit wrote:
brainiac wrote:
I suffer the 5D2 focus system because I like smaller lighter bodies. Size-weight matters more to me.

Also, i'm unwilling to spend the cost of a 5D mk2 on a camera which doesn't offer decent build and weather sealing.

Ah dunno, I'm holding a 5DII and it feels like a friggen brick 'o magnesium. Solid as a rock and a little more beefy than my 5D and 50D (which are pretty durn solid too). Canon claims weather sealing for the 5DII albeit not 1 series caliber. Although my 50D has better AF on the outer points, the 5DII whips it good in AI servo (I assume due to the extra 6 AF assist points). Thus I'd describe 5DII AF as equal to 50D AF but with different weaknesses and strengths.

As for security guards, park rangers, cops, etc., hassling you for looking like a pro--no such luck. I've been nailed with my XTi, 40D and 5D multiple times. The 5DII isn't any less pro looking. To a rent-a-cop the 5D series looks as pro as a Rebel or 1DsIII.

In all fairness, it feels like a brick but only until you get to play with someone's 1D camera. Then it feels less rugged again. Someone moving from a P&S will probably love the build quality on a 500D. Someone moving from a 500D to a 50D/5D2 will again appreciate the Mg body. In all fairness, my friend's 1D cannot compare in build quality and ruggedness to my Nikkormat FTn

Jul 15, 2009 at 02:56 AM

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p.3 #10 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

It's a "brick" with cheesy plastic coverings (not rubbery enough) and a funky CF chamber.

EBH

Jul 15, 2009 at 02:59 AM

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p.3 #11 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

In all fairness, my friend's 1D cannot compare in build quality and ruggedness to my Nikkormat FTn !!

My FM3A/MD12 feels like solid plates of steel knit together. So non-ergonomic it hurts my hand to hold for more than a minute or two. Having broken a few old metal cameras (FM, Miranda F) from short falls, I suspect they aren't as strong as they feel. My old plastic Elan survived many worse drops without a whimper!

Jul 15, 2009 at 03:04 AM

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p.3 #12 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

Yea - I mean the move to engineering plastics in the 80s wasn't probably just for cost. Cameras from the 60s and early to mid 70s just feel so much 'better' though. The moving parts just have that solid mechanical feel to them and the focus ring is so nice and smooth.

Jul 15, 2009 at 04:31 AM

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p.3 #13 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

Gochugogi wrote:
As for security guards, park rangers, cops, etc., hassling you for looking like a pro--no such luck. I've been nailed with my XTi, 40D and 5D multiple times. The 5DII isn't any less pro looking. To a rent-a-cop the 5D series looks as pro as a Rebel or 1DsIII.

I only have an XT/350D at the moment (hence the need for an upgrade) and despite wandering around with a 70-200 2.8L on it much of the time, no-one has ever given me any trouble. I see a lot of tourists here with Rebel series and nikon equivalents and no-one gives them a second look. The Rebel is almost as common as P&S's round these parts. The 1Ds, though, seems much more conspicuous and "Pro looking" to me, so i can't help feeling it might be just too large to claim as an amateur camera in some situations. Maybe its my imagination...

Jul 15, 2009 at 09:48 AM

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p.3 #14 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

I'm tempted to just respond to the original question with, "asked and answered." This has been an ongoing fantasy among Canon shooters, that Canon would make the 5D series competitive with the 1 series bodies. But Canon currently would seem to have no reason to do that if they want to continue selling the 1 series or equivalent cameras, right? The fact that the 5D II and the 5D are very similar in this regard should be another strong indicator.

So the "gut feel" answer is pretty clearly "no."

Two things about your Canon/Nikon decision.

1. Don't sweat the brand comparisons all that much. In the end you can use the equipment from either to produce excellent photography - it is done every day - and the differences between the brands pale to insignificance compared to the differences between photographers.

2. Don't let yourself become overly obsessive about any one aspect of camera design. In our search for distinctions between different options that will make a choice clearer we frequently will turn ANY difference, no matter how insignificant or trivial into The Definitive Difference. I don't know what or how you photograph, but I use my 5D and my 5D II in fairly rough conditions (often jammed in a backpack, frequently for a week or more, in all seasons, and in environment ranging from alpine mountains to desert to seashore) and they hold up just fine.

Dan

slrl0ver wrote:
Hi all,

First, this is NOT meant to be an inflammatory post.

Does anyone have a "gut feel" if Canon will introduce a successor to the 5D.MK2 that will have improved AF and weather-sealing?

I'm considering jumping into dSLR (from 35mm film) and I really appreciated the high-end AF on the EOS 1V. Right now I don't own any lenses or camera bodies, so I'm starting out fresh. Since EOS mount accepts so many different types of lenses (with adapters), the 5D/5D.MK2 route seems very attractive to me.

However, I can't ignore the superior build of the D700 and its advanced AF. I just want to know if Canon will catch-up, or if they would see adding such features to their 5D-series as sacrificing their high-end 1D-series.

I appreciate your input.

Jul 15, 2009 at 02:26 PM


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