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p.2 #1 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

Because of what Canon has been giving us. It doesn't match up with what we want.

Seth Tower wrote:
Good Lord, we're already talking about a successor to the 5DII? Seriously, why can't we just be happy with what we've got!

Jul 13, 2009 at 06:01 PM

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p.2 #2 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

Sold out at B&H(both the body only and the kit) and people are talking about the new one

Jul 13, 2009 at 06:03 PM

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cineski wrote:
Because of what Canon has been giving us. It doesn't match up with what we want.

Don't you mean "what I want?" or was that a royal we?

Lots of people seem happy with the 5D2.

Kaa

Jul 13, 2009 at 06:17 PM

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Don't you mean "what I want?" or was that a royal we?

"My husband and I don't like HD video ..."

Jul 13, 2009 at 06:23 PM

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p.2 #5 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

For f..k sake....

Some people here are like little children... "give me, give me"

If Canon was going to give the 5D pro AF and weather sealing then they would have no choice but to sell it for close to the 1DsmkIII price and then everyone will complain about the price

Jul 13, 2009 at 06:33 PM

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slrl0ver wrote:
Hi all,

Does anyone have a "gut feel" if Canon will introduce a successor to the 5D.MK2 that will have improved AF and weather-sealing?

My gut feel is that the mythical 3D will finally materialize sometime in 2011.
Canon has so far ignored the Nikon D300 and the D700, but Nikon will have a 24mp D700x soon and a 15-16mp successor to the D700 in the next two years.

Canon will only be losing sales to Nikon if they stubbornly keep the pro AF to the 1-series only.

Expect the 3D to be priced at $3500+, though.

If the camera was to appear, it will most likely be priced just marginally under the 1Ds4.

Jul 13, 2009 at 06:35 PM

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p.2 #7 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

;-) I'm just going off what I'm paying attention to on FM. So it's got a double filter.

KaaX wrote:
cineski wrote:
Because of what Canon has been giving us. It doesn't match up with what we want.

Don't you mean "what I want?" or was that a royal we?

Lots of people seem happy with the 5D2.

Kaa

Jul 13, 2009 at 07:51 PM

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p.2 #8 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

The xxD cycles are about 1/3 to 1/2 as long as the 5D cycles have been (so far). I suspect that we will see either 50D or 60D focusing in the 5D3.

I doubt we will ever see the equivalent of 1-Series weather sealing in anything less than a 1-Series.

Jul 13, 2009 at 08:05 PM

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RDKirk wrote:
The xxD cycles are about 1/3 to 1/2 as long as the 5D cycles have been (so far). I suspect that we will see either 50D or 60D focusing in the 5D3.

ugh i hope not that would mean worse af than the 5dm2 (if 50D at AF at least)!

Jul 13, 2009 at 10:12 PM

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p.2 #10 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

I suffer the 5D2 focus system because I like smaller lighter bodies. Size-weight matters more to me. I 'upgraded' from 1Ds3 to 5D2. The point is that for me, and I may not be alone, it's no good saying "if you want better AF get a 1 series". I'm not prepared to carry that weight, and so I'm stuck with one reliable AF point. I would pay MORE for a 5D2 with 1-series AF than I would for a 1-series. I hope someone at Canon is listening, because the insistence on non-professional AF in the 5D is getting very tiring.

Jul 13, 2009 at 10:34 PM

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p.2 #11 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

Agree with brainiac about the 5DII AF (though couldn't go so far as to pay 1-series prices). So far (still getting used to the II) I think that the AF on the 5DII isn't even as good as on the 5D, which worked OK usually.

Jul 13, 2009 at 11:19 PM

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It just occurred to me that one of the penalties of "professional autofocusing" as Canon currently engineers it probably requires significant power (given, for instance, that it must drive a very fast shutter and power two processors).

That is, it has up until now. But we also have a 5D2 that is amazingly efficient, perhaps as much as 75 or 80 percent more efficient than the 5D1 (comsidering the number of exposures we can get out of the mah of an LP-E6).

Jul 13, 2009 at 11:35 PM

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To the initiator of this thread, you seem potentially interested in the use of alternate lenses on a 5d2? Like many here, I do own a 5d2 and use a lot of alternate lenses. If you are considering that route, one point I would like to make to you from the outset is that the use of the alternate lenses can create metering problems on the 5d2. Well, at least with my copy of it, I should say, I don't know how others have fared. So it is not quite the "best of both worlds" scenario I had hoped for--using the alternate lenses does not take best advantage of the camera's metering system. This is usually OK for me, because I tend to be very deliberate, and I usually work on a tripod (I shoot mostly old churches nowadays). But sometimes it can be a drag, I often find I have to screw around with things a lot, and I frequently wish it could be a bit easier, like using the native lenses. I don't know if I would persist with the alternate lenses if I had to work very fast and get things right asap.

I have not used one of the more pro-level 1 series digital bodies, but I wonder if the metering with the alt lenses might be better there. I do agree the that the 5d2 produces some fantastic images, and it is certainly the best digital camera I have ever used. But there are some aspects of it which are definitely not pro caliber--such as the AF system which has been discussed. And I wonder about the metering as well sometimes. My film body is an EOS 3, and I definitely feel that it is superior to my 5d2 when it comes to both AF and metering.

Jul 13, 2009 at 11:38 PM

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slrl0ver wrote:

....3. Personally, I think people WOULD go for the 1D series, even if there was a 5D that was mostly equivalent (say AF + weather-resistance). I say that because those who want a tank, with vertical grip integrated, high-FPS, dual card storage, etc really want that. The D700 and D3 seem mostly equivalent, but I think there's still demand for D3. I congratulate Nikon for putting their high-end AF from D3 into the D700 and D300. Personally, even if I could get a 1Ds for $1400 I don't think I would because what I do doesn't need the tank build...

- slrl0ver

Your right on the money here IMO. Screw the damn video. Give me a better AF (it doesn't need to be 1D level AF, but somewhere closer than the 5DII is) and 5fps in sRAW. Canon dissapointed me with the 5DII, I'm keeping my 5D "classic" for now.

brainiac wrote:
...The point is that for me, and I may not be alone, it's no good saying "if you want better AF get a 1 series". I'm not prepared to carry that weight, and so I'm stuck with one reliable AF point. I would pay MORE for a 5D2 with 1-series AF than I would for a 1-series. I hope someone at Canon is listening, because the insistence on non-professional AF in the 5D is getting very tiring.

Agreed.

Jul 13, 2009 at 11:44 PM

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I'm not prepared to carry that weight, and so I'm stuck with one reliable AF point. I would pay MORE for a 5D2 with 1-series AF than I would for a 1-series. I hope someone at Canon is listening, because the insistence on non-professional AF in the 5D is getting very tiring.

I think people are barking up the wrong tree, then. Instead of complaining about the autofocusing of the 5D, it might be more beneficial to complain about the weight of the 1-Series.

Jul 14, 2009 at 12:33 AM

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p.2 #16 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

I really sounds like many of the people here would be better off with a Nikon body. Sure the lens selection is not the same, but it seems that the body is the most important factor.

Jul 14, 2009 at 01:00 AM

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p.2 #17 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

That's funny... A friend of mine have a D700 and told me its AF was a weak point in comparizon with my 5DII... I think some Canon people have a gold mine in their hand and still seem to think that Nikon are better for no reason... Like nobody is perfect lol

Jul 14, 2009 at 01:02 AM

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p.2 #18 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

It'll happen, but not anytime soon. The 5DII is not even a year yet. The original 5D was out over three years before the 5DII was announced. Also, Canon isn't exactly gung-ho about releasing expensive new products in this economy.

Jul 14, 2009 at 01:16 AM

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p.2 #19 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

All of your commentary is really helpful. I'd also like to add: I too might be willing to pay for better AF, even if it wasn't the full-blown 45-point the 1Ds has. The interesting point, and I bet Canon will take this into consideration, the 40D & 50D have more cross-type AF sensors than 5D!

Based on commentary here, it sounds like the next 5D would probably get an AF similar to 40D/50D and hopefully more spread out.

I don't get a good feeling about weather sealing on a potential successor

though.

Jul 14, 2009 at 01:21 AM

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p.2 #20 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

Hi RDKirk,

Disclaimer: I'm an Engineer and I have worked on focus systems and control-loops in the past.

Although the AF system no doubt requires power, having more focus points I think would NOT be a huge power draw since it's not implemented using a contrast method that P&S cameras use (high-pass filter, edge detection algorithm). The phase detection mechanism isn't inherently a power hungry solution.

For AI-servo, I think the increased power draw from the motor might noticeably affect battery life, but probably the biggest hit would be from faster FPS. Increased FPS would mean more buffering, more processing, more shutter actuations per unit time.

EOS 1v has the 45-point AF and it's not a power monster.

- slrl0ver

RDKirk wrote:
It just occurred to me that one of the penalties of "professional autofocusing" as Canon currently engineers it probably requires significant power (given, for instance, that it must drive a very fast shutter and power two processors).

That is, it has up until now. But we also have a 5D2 that is amazingly efficient, perhaps as much as 75 or 80 percent more efficient than the 5D1 (comsidering the number of exposures we can get out of the mah of an LP-E6).

Jul 14, 2009 at 02:30 AM

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slrl0ver wrote:
Based on commentary here, it sounds like the next 5D would probably get an AF similar to 40D/50D and hopefully more spread out.

I don't get a good feeling about weather sealing on a potential successor

though.

Well, Canon does claim the 5DII has weather sealing: tighter seals between seams, gaskets on doors, etc. Not the hardcore sealing of the 1 series but better than the prior 5D.

I shot a 5D for over 3 years and only recently got a 5DII (kinda hard to find as they sell out so fast). My gut feeling is 5DII AF is a little faster and better in low light than the 5D. The center AF point is top notch. The outer points are weak in low light and are out paced by my 50D. 5DII AI servo is better (the 6 extra AF assist points hold the subject better). My gut feeling is the 5D3 will have improved AF and sealing (hopefully not more MP!). Now all you need to do is wait out the 2-3 year product cycle and the 5D3 will be in your bag.

Jul 14, 2009 at 04:06 AM

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I guess the honeymoon is over, some begins feeling the AF pain. We all know about this issue since day one. Well, two more years waitting....

Jul 14, 2009 at 04:36 AM

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p.2 #23 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

el_hoppy wrote:
For f..k sake....

Some people here are like little children... "give me, give me"

If Canon was going to give the 5D pro AF and weather sealing then they would have no choice but to sell it for close to the 1DsmkIII price and then everyone will complain about the price

Then people say "but the D700......." Sure the D700 has things that the 5DII hasn't, but guess what, Nikon decided to give it a low MP FF sensor rather than the one from the D3x

Get over it..... and just deal with what is available on the market now or what has been announced but not delivered.

I wonder what the D700x will cost when it's announced in a few weeks.

I think your arguments are a crock - according to you AF and a few seals is worth $4K, dream on.

Jul 14, 2009 at 05:19 AM

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p.2 #24 · Successor to 5D.MK2?

So far, based on the price difference between D3 and D3X, the difference between the 12Mp sensor and related electronics and its 23 Mp sensor brethren is staggeringly high. So I wouldn't expect D700X to be anywhere close to the D700 in price, or else it would show something to be badly amiss in the D3 "family".
And then something will become obvious for all to see: just as Canon 5D MkII is not a 1DsMkIII for 5D money, D700X will not be a D3X for D700 money.

Jul 14, 2009 at 05:33 AM

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RDKirk wrote:
I think people are barking up the wrong tree, then. Instead of complaining about the autofocusing of the 5D, it might be more beneficial to complain about the weight of the 1-Series.

right on.. give us a 1D baby version, would you canon

now - would you pay 5K for this one?

Jul 14, 2009 at 05:45 AM


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