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p.2 #1 · Partial Uncle Bob-ing

OK Pap then

Micky Bill wrote:
"tog" a word that needs to be retired..

Jul 05, 2009 at 12:02 PM

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p.2 #2 · Partial Uncle Bob-ing

So what is the point. The guy is doing a low cost wedding with lower cost equipment. I am sure he would go get a "Pro" camera if he charged a few thousand more for the shoot. That cheap little 18-55 kit lens can do a good job if you know how to use it and the Rebel can also deliver in the right hands. I prefer a lot more options at my finger tips but the Rebel ended up giving me the same quality I am used to the last time I used one. Just delivered images for 10 events to a magazine. Some shot with L glass and other with the 18-55. No one can tell the difference.
I would reserve judgement until the images are delivered.

Jul 05, 2009 at 05:43 PM

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p.2 #3 · Partial Uncle Bob-ing

liza wrote:
I don't take my cameras to weddings when I attend as a guest. I'd rather have a good time with family and friends and let someone else take table shots.

Jul 06, 2009 at 08:05 PM

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p.2 #4 · Partial Uncle Bob-ing

he booked a wedding, more power to him. who knows, he might just be really good in 5 years. a lot of the shots on my portfolio are with an XT... i'm sure i've shot senior portrait sessions where the parents might have had a 30D at home. who cares? what if his shots are money?

Jul 06, 2009 at 09:20 PM

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Garry Burton wrote
Have to be a gift - using your skills for the couples memories. I don't understand for personal use in these circumstances unless you're a relative or friend.

Instead of sounding like a hero, a good friend, a guest, you do come across as someone that needs a spearo, a bit of a fiend, someone in need of a jest.

Maybe the obvious, nick = dpun, so you are taking the piss.....

Cheers Gaz

I'm sorry that you're taking it that way. The bride is a close friend of my GF, just to give you more context. I would have taken the cake pics and given it to them for free under any circumstance except if the hire pro was still there.

I normally don't get pissed off but you can't relay tone of voice/inflection on a written post. My conversation with the hired pro was not the best. He was incredibly obnoxious to me in the way he said "and we can even use my camera". It did not sit well with me. I don't expect anyone to understand, it was one of those "you had to be there moments".

I did start off with the 40D, a 580 and a 28-135, that lens is still in my closet for sentimental reasons. But I would never use alkaline batteries, that caused this guy to get no flash for every 4th shot during the event.

And I don't know who this "nick" is. Doesn't matter.

Jul 07, 2009 at 01:39 AM

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liza wrote:
liza wrote:
I don't take my cameras to weddings when I attend as a guest. I'd rather have a good time with family and friends and let someone else take table shots.

Micky Bill wrote:
But you are missing a great opportunity to show up the poor sap who is actually working the gig, and then mock him in an online forum!

Let me clarify. I don't take my cameras to weddings when I attend as a guest
out of courtesy to the hired shooter. Not every event is meant to be a photo op.

Some people DO think it is appropriate to take a bunch of pro gear to wedding they aren't working. I dunno maybe some mechanics take tools to NASCAR races, just in case

Jul 07, 2009 at 01:46 AM

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p.2 #7 · Partial Uncle Bob-ing

Wow, this show should go on tour- endless amusement.

Jul 07, 2009 at 03:08 AM

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Micky Bill wrote
Some people DO think it is appropriate to take a bunch of pro gear to wedding they aren't working. I dunno maybe some mechanics take tools to NASCAR races, just in case

I normally DON'T take my gear with me. But, this was July 4th weekend. I needed my gear on Sunday.

Here was my schedule:

July 3rd
Leave upstate NY on Friday for the wedding in NJ that afternoon.
After wedding, go to NYC and stay over at relative's house.

July 4th
Go to NYC fireworks show that evening.
Go back to GF's place in NJ afterwards, sleep

July 5th
Go to Delaware Water Gap area and shoot a wedding (3rd shooter)
Crash at hotel afterwards

July 6th
Come back home to upstate NY.

So....you can see why I had my gear with me right? I never leave my gear in the car, I've experienced several break-ins to my car. It's always in a Pelican case with a cable lock, tethered to something and near me when I'm traveling. I do have special security provisions during the NYC fireworks show which I can't get into.

Jul 07, 2009 at 03:10 AM

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p.2 #9 · Partial Uncle Bob-ing

A pro would just sit there and enjoy the evening with drinks and food, let the photog do his job, doesnt matter if the time is up. I would rather just sit there and do nothing and leave it as is. If they cant pay the photog to stay longer who fault is it..

Jul 07, 2009 at 04:13 AM

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p.2 #10 · Partial Uncle Bob-ing

The 17-55 isn't a kit lens.

I'd shoot a wedding with a XSi and 17-55 anyday. Or a crop body with a tamron 17-50. Those lenses are razor sharp wide open.

Jul 07, 2009 at 04:19 AM

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Im going to be interested at what happens when i go to my friends weddings.
First time Ill be At a wedding, that IM not shooting.
Course ill need to bring the small bag, 35L, 24-70, you know, the essentials.
Hopefully, theyll hire someone decent and I wont need to step up

my other friend recently got hitched but he didnt know me when he invited people or booked his wedding.
"Friend" of his shot it, for only 1800$ as a Freind price! I only charge a 1000 and thats the high end..
"Friend" ended up having his HD die, which was his only copy...so now its at a recovery place. Wonder if hell get any pictures

Jul 07, 2009 at 04:57 AM

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kodakeos wrote:
Im going to be interested at what happens when i go to my friends weddings.
First time Ill be At a wedding, that IM not shooting.
Course ill need to bring the small bag, 35L, 24-70, you know, the essentials.
Hopefully, theyll hire someone decent and I wont need to step up

"Friend" needs to get slapped.

Jul 07, 2009 at 04:58 AM

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kodakeos wrote:
Hopefully, theyll hire someone decent and I wont need to step up

I sing in the choir. I've been told I'm a pretty good bass. Sometimes when we travel we visit other congregations to worship. If their choir sings an anthem of which I'm familiar, I don't feel the urge to rush up to the choir loft and join in, even if I think the bass section is weak.

I play violin. I don't bring my violin to concerts and store it under my seat in case I think I need to "step up".

I'm only an average speller. Could someone help me spell "egotistical"?

Jul 07, 2009 at 03:28 PM

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Some of you people are being pretty ridiculous.

I've been to a ton of weddings. Tons of people bring cameras. I presume that some of those are into photography. Many of those same people are probably into other hobbies like snowobarding, cooking, painting, sewing etc. Yet I have never seen anyone bring a snowboard, copper pots, brushes and canvas or a sewing machine to a wedding.

It's obviously NORMAL to bring a camera to a wedding.

Now if you're going to argue that one should bring a P&S rather than a DSLR with kit... then go right ahead. I would disagree, but knock yourselves out. I DO own a P&S it's used exclusively for video. As soon as I decide I can affrord a 5D2 I won't need the P&S at all.

Jul 07, 2009 at 03:37 PM

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dmacmillan wrote:
I play violin. I don't bring my violin to concerts and store it under my seat in case I think I need to "step up".

While I agree with your sentiment it's good to remember that many think when you buy a violin you simply own a violin.

But when you buy a camera, you're a photographer.

Jul 07, 2009 at 03:37 PM

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p.2 #16 · Partial Uncle Bob-ing

dpun wrote: I do have special security provisions during the NYC fireworks show which I can't get into.

Me too.

Jul 07, 2009 at 03:59 PM

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lisy78 wrote:
Some of you people are being pretty ridiculous.

Since your post immediately follows mine, I guess you're including me in the above. Yes, I'm being silly. I'm not commenting on bringing a camera, I'm commenting on the idea that I need to bring a camera in case the hired professional doesn't measure up to my standards and I feel the need to "step up".

To continue being silly, I've eaten some pretty crappy wedding cakes in my time. No professional bakers seem compelled to bring a cake and have it in the car in case they need to "step up".

If the B&G hire a bad photographer, it's not my problem to fix even if I wince and have to bite my lip.

Jul 07, 2009 at 04:00 PM

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p.2 #18 · Partial Uncle Bob-ing

Alot of you guys need to chill... dang the brother had his camera with him because he said he doesn't like to leave it in the car. I am the same way.

Its not like he intentionally brought it to show it off or upstage the hired photog. He shared some criticism about the photog, and you guys are ripping the guy.

Personally, I wouldn't have taken any shots, but thats me. He was trying to do something nice. Give the guy a break.

To the OP - BTW, the XSi and 17-55 are capable of taking nice pics. I'm sure he had room for improvement, like we all do. At my younger sisters wedding, my sister hired a photog couple. They had a XT & 40D with a kit lens and a few other inexpensive lenses, flashes and tripods. I was shocked, by their equipment. My little sister had no clue though, I talked to her about their equipment a few weeks after the wedding but she no clue what I was talking about. All she cared about was the pictures. She got them and loved them, they were PP'd to death and thats what she wanted. They were not to my liking, but of course it didn't matter because they were for her and her hubby.

Jul 07, 2009 at 04:07 PM

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p.2 #19 · Partial Uncle Bob-ing

dmacmillan wrote:
lisy78 wrote:
Some of you people are being pretty ridiculous.

Since your post immediately follows mine, I guess you're including me in the above.

An unfortunate geographic coincidence. It was pretty clear to me that you were specifically addressing the "Step up" thing which is an even sillier position to take than the position that Pro photogs shoudln't bring cameras to weddings. So no, you were not really included, sorry.

(feeling left out now?)

Jul 07, 2009 at 04:08 PM

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animal-chin wrote:
Alot of you guys need to chill... dang the brother had his camera with him because he said he doesn't like to leave it in the car. I am the same way.

Well then both YOU and "the brother" are two putzes.

Why the heck do you or him feel the need to justify why you bring your camera wherever the heck you choose to bring your camera?

The day the collective "wisdom" in the forum (and I put that in quotes with good reason) buys my camera equipment, is the day they can determine where and when it's ok for me to bring my da#n camera along.

And they better make it a couple of 1Ds MK3 with appropriate L Primes otherwise they can kiss my butt!

No seriously... the whole upstaging the hired pro, or getting into their shots is definitelly a no-no ... but this nonsense about "pro photogs should leave kit home" is absurd. I finally find a way to make money doing what I love and what? Now I supposedly can only do what I love if I'm being paid? Bugger off!

Jul 07, 2009 at 04:14 PM

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lisy78 wrote:

(feeling left out now?)

Thanks for the explanation. You can include me in the ridiculous column any time, since I'm fully capable of being so.

It's interesting that UB seems to be getting so much press here recently. It's not restricted to weddngs. Just when digitals started to catch on, we had a party for my grandson's birthday. I brought a Canon G2 and I think one other person had a disposable film camera. The next year, almost everyone had a digital camera of some description. There must have been six cameras firing away!

Jul 07, 2009 at 04:18 PM

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dmacmillan wrote:It's interesting that UB seems to be getting so much press here recently.

Since Michael Jackson died the media has been wandering in a daze looking for any story to fill the time slot.

Jul 07, 2009 at 04:25 PM

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RedWhiteandRed wrote:

Since Michael Jackson died the media has been wandering in a daze looking for any story to fill the time slot.
The media will be provided with years worth of fodder as the vultures sort out his estate. I'm afraid we won't be shed of him for some time to come.

That's why I don't watch TV.

Jul 07, 2009 at 04:39 PM

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p.2 #24 · Partial Uncle Bob-ing

liSy78, its a free country. You have every right to take your gear and shoot where ever it is legal to do so. I personally do not like to take pics at weddings I'm attending unless asked or paid to. But thats me, if you want to carry your gear and maximize every photo opportunity, than more power to you. You may offend some in the way, but thats because they have an opinion of whats proper and acceptable, just like you have an opinion of whats proper and acceptable. You feel so strongly about your view, you shouldn't bash others because they have a different one.

Name calling may offend some, but to me it only shows your maturity. But again, its a free country and you have every right to express your opinion.

Jul 07, 2009 at 04:51 PM

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animal-chin wrote:

icon next to that.

If you take the position that any view, no matter how ridiculous is deserving of respect, then I guess nobody should be bashed.. not even those who might be offended by the fact that I chose to go to work wearing brown shoes today rather than green which according to them is the appropriate color for a Tuesday that falls on an odd summer day.

Apparently there is a subculture of wedding photographers that are not only (rightfully - at least IMO) upset when guests with cameras get into their shots and ruin them, or (again rightfully IMO) when wanna-be-wedding photographers attempt to steal the setups they create... some are apparently irate at the mere presence of cameras in general, and some more specifically appear to be upset by cameras only beyond a certain sensor size, the presence of interchangeable lenses, the lightness in color of such lenses, the color of possible rings on these lenses etc.

I can certainly accept that those people, with those beliefs exist ... I just have a hard time not snickering at them. Seriously a P&S is ok but a DSLR is not? or... an XSI with Kit lens is ok, but a 5D with L glass is not? WTF?!?!

Jul 07, 2009 at 06:34 PM


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