dpun wrote:
As wedding photographers we are always handed a P&S after our shot and this was a reverse case....and I did not do it. I could have handed him my GF's P&S but didn't even bother because he was there and ready. If you knew my sense of humor then you would have picked up on the irony inflection....the internet does not convey that well.
Craig Gillette wrote:
"Some time passes and he comes over and asks for my camera to take a table shot. I think about reaching underneath the table for my Canon 1Dm3, 35L and 580m2 and I....I....could not do it. What's wrong with me!?!?! Am I turning....nice!?!?! I tell him to use his camera for a complete table shot. O God...I need to seek some help. Where's my DVD of Joan Rivers....
The partial Uncle Bob? Dude left at the end of contracted time. The couple could not afford more time, got the impression that they were really, really tight on money. I felt torn because they had one last "thing" to do and there was no pro tog there. So...I took their cake cutting and told them it was free. They did ask how much I would charge but I didn't have the heart....somebody PLEASE bitch slap me!!!!!!"
Oh, that's right. You won't upstage him, you'll just come on here and tell us how nice you are not to have.
If it makes you feel better, I think your character has been clearly displayed. Thanks for sharing. ...Show more →
Of course if you were much better you might have sent that in a PM, right? Oh no... that's right ... attempting to publicly humiliate someone is in fact a great show of character.
And yeah I see the irony in my posting this rather than PMing it to you... it's just that there seem to be so many moral high horses on this forum to sit on that I often wonder if I accidentally clicked on www.kentuckyderby.com instead of fredmiranda.
The second was in reference to the "I often wonder if I accidentally clicked on www.kentuckyderby.com instead of fredmiranda" ... it was not meant to indicate I didn't mean what I wrote.
In the previous post the was indeed meant to imply that I wasn't being entirely serious.
dpun wrote:
So...I took their cake cutting and told them it was free. They did ask how much I would charge but I didn't have the heart....somebody PLEASE bitch slap me!!!!!!
Experienced, working/wedding photographer isn't contracted to capture the event but takes the tools of his trade and uses them. WHY?
Have to be a gift - using your skills for the couples memories. I don't understand for personal use in these circumstances unless you're a relative or friend.
Would a chef go into the kitchen and started cooking the buffet if they're an invited guest, would a carpet cleaner pull out his vacuum cleaner and give the venue a spruce up?? Would a drycleaner give the gown a quick iron, would a painter slap on a couple of coats 'cause the walls are a bit tardy???. NO.
Granted photography is a different trade than my examples but when I read the context of your post.
Instead of sounding like a hero, a good friend, a guest, you do come across as someone that needs a spearo, a bit of a fiend, someone in need of a jest.
Maybe the obvious, nick = dpun, so you are taking the piss.....
So what is the point. The guy is doing a low cost wedding with lower cost equipment. I am sure he would go get a "Pro" camera if he charged a few thousand more for the shoot. That cheap little 18-55 kit lens can do a good job if you know how to use it and the Rebel can also deliver in the right hands. I prefer a lot more options at my finger tips but the Rebel ended up giving me the same quality I am used to the last time I used one. Just delivered images for 10 events to a magazine. Some shot with L glass and other with the 18-55. No one can tell the difference.
I would reserve judgement until the images are delivered.
liza wrote:
I don't take my cameras to weddings when I attend as a guest. I'd rather have a good time with family and friends and let someone else take table shots.
Micky Bill wrote:
But you are missing a great opportunity to show up the poor sap who is actually working the gig, and then mock him in an online forum!
Let me clarify. I don't take my cameras to weddings when I attend as a guest
out of courtesy to the hired shooter. Not every event is meant to be a photo op.
he booked a wedding, more power to him. who knows, he might just be really good in 5 years. a lot of the shots on my portfolio are with an XT... i'm sure i've shot senior portrait sessions where the parents might have had a 30D at home. who cares? what if his shots are money?
Garry Burton wrote
Have to be a gift - using your skills for the couples memories. I don't understand for personal use in these circumstances unless you're a relative or friend.
Instead of sounding like a hero, a good friend, a guest, you do come across as someone that needs a spearo, a bit of a fiend, someone in need of a jest.
Maybe the obvious, nick = dpun, so you are taking the piss.....
Cheers Gaz
I'm sorry that you're taking it that way. The bride is a close friend of my GF, just to give you more context. I would have taken the cake pics and given it to them for free under any circumstance except if the hire pro was still there.
I normally don't get pissed off but you can't relay tone of voice/inflection on a written post. My conversation with the hired pro was not the best. He was incredibly obnoxious to me in the way he said "and we can even use my camera". It did not sit well with me. I don't expect anyone to understand, it was one of those "you had to be there moments".
I did start off with the 40D, a 580 and a 28-135, that lens is still in my closet for sentimental reasons. But I would never use alkaline batteries, that caused this guy to get no flash for every 4th shot during the event.
And I don't know who this "nick" is. Doesn't matter.
liza wrote:
Let me clarify. I don't take my cameras to weddings when I attend as a guest
out of courtesy to the hired shooter. Not every event is meant to be a photo op.
Some people DO think it is appropriate to take a bunch of pro gear to wedding they aren't working. I dunno maybe some mechanics take tools to NASCAR races, just in case
Micky Bill wrote
Some people DO think it is appropriate to take a bunch of pro gear to wedding they aren't working. I dunno maybe some mechanics take tools to NASCAR races, just in case
I normally DON'T take my gear with me. But, this was July 4th weekend. I needed my gear on Sunday.
Here was my schedule:
July 3rd
Leave upstate NY on Friday for the wedding in NJ that afternoon.
After wedding, go to NYC and stay over at relative's house.
July 4th
Go to NYC fireworks show that evening.
Go back to GF's place in NJ afterwards, sleep
July 5th
Go to Delaware Water Gap area and shoot a wedding (3rd shooter)
Crash at hotel afterwards
July 6th
Come back home to upstate NY.
So....you can see why I had my gear with me right? I never leave my gear in the car, I've experienced several break-ins to my car. It's always in a Pelican case with a cable lock, tethered to something and near me when I'm traveling. I do have special security provisions during the NYC fireworks show which I can't get into.
A pro would just sit there and enjoy the evening with drinks and food, let the photog do his job, doesnt matter if the time is up. I would rather just sit there and do nothing and leave it as is. If they cant pay the photog to stay longer who fault is it..
Im going to be interested at what happens when i go to my friends weddings.
First time Ill be At a wedding, that IM not shooting.
Course ill need to bring the small bag, 35L, 24-70, you know, the essentials.
Hopefully, theyll hire someone decent and I wont need to step up
my other friend recently got hitched but he didnt know me when he invited people or booked his wedding.
"Friend" of his shot it, for only 1800$ as a Freind price! I only charge a 1000 and thats the high end..
"Friend" ended up having his HD die, which was his only copy...so now its at a recovery place. Wonder if hell get any pictures
kodakeos wrote:
Im going to be interested at what happens when i go to my friends weddings.
First time Ill be At a wedding, that IM not shooting.
Course ill need to bring the small bag, 35L, 24-70, you know, the essentials.
Hopefully, theyll hire someone decent and I wont need to step up
my other friend recently got hitched but he didnt know me when he invited people or booked his wedding.
"Friend" of his shot it, for only 1800$ as a Freind price! I only charge a 1000 and thats the high end..
"Friend" ended up having his HD die, which was his only copy...so now its at a recovery place. Wonder if hell get any pictures ...Show more →
kodakeos wrote:
Hopefully, theyll hire someone decent and I wont need to step up
I sing in the choir. I've been told I'm a pretty good bass. Sometimes when we travel we visit other congregations to worship. If their choir sings an anthem of which I'm familiar, I don't feel the urge to rush up to the choir loft and join in, even if I think the bass section is weak.
I play violin. I don't bring my violin to concerts and store it under my seat in case I think I need to "step up".
I'm only an average speller. Could someone help me spell "egotistical"?
I've been to a ton of weddings. Tons of people bring cameras. I presume that some of those are into photography. Many of those same people are probably into other hobbies like snowobarding, cooking, painting, sewing etc. Yet I have never seen anyone bring a snowboard, copper pots, brushes and canvas or a sewing machine to a wedding.
It's obviously NORMAL to bring a camera to a wedding.
Now if you're going to argue that one should bring a P&S rather than a DSLR with kit... then go right ahead. I would disagree, but knock yourselves out. I DO own a P&S it's used exclusively for video. As soon as I decide I can affrord a 5D2 I won't need the P&S at all.
