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17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

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p.2 #1 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

Wow! What an amazing shot!! Oh, and the lens rocks too!

Jul 04, 2009 at 01:38 AM

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p.2 #2 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

wow! looks like the new lenses canon is rolling out could be called the nikon destroyers.

Jul 04, 2009 at 03:26 AM

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p.2 #3 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

I shot that very same cathedral in 1988

I don't remember the blue tile aisle in the middle, but the rest... spectacular. Might be the best picture I ever took with that old Nikon N2020.

Jul 04, 2009 at 03:55 AM

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p.2 #4 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

Great Caesars' Ghost

Jul 04, 2009 at 01:51 PM

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p.2 #5 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

Great, I thought i wanted one before, now I REALLY wont one.

Jul 04, 2009 at 03:17 PM

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p.2 #6 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

Another single image shifted to maximum.
Sorry removed this image

Edited on Jul 04, 2009 at 05:49 PM · View previous versions

Jul 04, 2009 at 05:19 PM

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p.2 #7 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

Shifted to maximum

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Jul 04, 2009 at 05:21 PM

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p.2 #8 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

You may think that the upper windows in the above image show massive CA bit it is not. That is the design of the windows that show blue and red/magenta edges.
I apologize for the first of the two images above. It is very soft most likely because I am fooling around with these jpegs to get them to fit with the resolution limits. These jpegs were saved with a compression of 8.
I would appreciate any advice you can give me concerning the showing of images using FM uploading service.

Jul 04, 2009 at 05:27 PM

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p.2 #9 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

Doug Ball wrote:
You may think that the upper windows in the above image show massive CA bit it is not. That is the design of the windows that show blue and red/magenta edges.
I apologize for the first of the two images above. It is very soft most likely because I am fooling around with these jpegs to get them to fit with the resolution limits. These jpegs were saved with a compression of 8.
I would appreciate any advice you can give me concerning the showing of images using FM uploading service.

That last image is again absolutely marvellous!

I use "Save for web" in photoshop, where I can preview the result and the file size. If I can't get below the 350K limit without compression artifacts, I try a smaller size. If that makes the detail I want to show too small, I go back and crop.

Jul 04, 2009 at 05:45 PM

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p.2 #10 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

Thanks. Here we go again with the second image.
Again maximum shift.

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Exif information
Model	Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III
Date	2009:07:04 13:57:47
Original date	2009:06:11 10:06:27
Exposure time	4 sec
Focal length	17mm
Focal number	f/11.0
ISO speed	200 ISO
Exposure compensation	0.0

Jul 04, 2009 at 05:59 PM

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p.2 #11 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

It would be great if review threads could be started in the reviews section for the new TS-E's - judging by the responses here, there will be a lot of interest in these lenses.

Jul 04, 2009 at 06:45 PM

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p.2 #12 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

What's that sound? Oh, its just a generation of architectural photographers chucking their old 5x4 cameras into dumpsters.

Unbelievable results well done. I've just started saving for my copy of the 17, probably take me a year to save enough, but I will get there.

Canon done good, this lens and the new 24L look like making Canon wide angle King at last. I intend to get both one day.

Jul 04, 2009 at 07:47 PM

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p.2 #13 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

This image was taken with the vaulted 90 TS-E. IMO the 17 certainly matches and may exceed in terms os sharpness and contrast. Again shot at maximum shift and without sharpening.

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Exif information
Model	Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III
Date	2009:07:04 16:36:23
Original date	2009:06:11 10:41:23
Exposure time	4 sec
Focal length	90mm
Focal number	f/11.0
ISO speed	200 ISO
Exposure compensation	0.0

Jul 04, 2009 at 08:42 PM

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p.2 #14 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

That is saying a lot. The 90 is shockingly sharp, even wide open. Do you find the 17 as sharp wide open, too?

Jul 04, 2009 at 08:46 PM

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p.2 #15 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

I cannot comment since most of my tests so far have involved shifts where I stop down to f8 or f11 to get maximum detail in the corners but it's a good question and I will do some tests and let you know.

Jul 04, 2009 at 09:02 PM

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p.2 #16 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

WOW WOW WOW

"Two stitched horizontal shots from the 17 TS-E at maximum shift."

Can you tel us (little guys) more!

Jul 04, 2009 at 10:58 PM

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p.2 #17 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

coooool

Jul 05, 2009 at 08:11 AM

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p.2 #18 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

Looks a bit soft and mooshy; Canon can't make UWA lenses so stop trying to fool us Doug.

Jul 05, 2009 at 09:38 AM

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p.2 #19 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

Am I missing something? Looks a bit smeary towards the edges? No better than the 14 f/2.8L II I purchased and that is lambasted compared to the Nikon 14-24

On the other hand lenses like the 35L are truly sharp at those apertures

Jul 05, 2009 at 09:46 AM

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p.2 #20 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

Will another "WOW" make a difference ?
Is there an on-line tutorial on principals and use of this type of lens ?

[ starting saving my pennies ...

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Jul 05, 2009 at 10:04 AM

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p.2 #21 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

Dawei Ye wrote:
Am I missing something? Looks a bit smeary towards the edges? No better than the 14 f/2.8L II I purchased and that is lambasted compared to the Nikon 14-24

The stitched image (first one posted) has a FOV equivalent to a 10mm lens on FF, and it is a full 40MP+ resolution. Other than the fact it takes two exposures, this is medium format IQ territory... Canon clearly did their homework. Now all we need is a 50MP+ FF sensor to see the real limits of these modern designs.

Jul 05, 2009 at 11:02 AM

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p.2 #22 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

Certainly these new designs, with the new 24mll have enough fuel in the tank to deal with larger sensor sizes.
However it may be difficult to achieve 50MP + sensors within the 35mm format.
Something else may be in the wind.
I have felt that these new TS-E lens, the 17 and 24 might be the core of yet another new camera from Canon, much like the Leica S2. The S2 required a whole new generation of lenses to deal with the larger sensor, (medium format in size).
The new TS-E designs might morph into simple non shifting lens for a much larger sensor based body.
Canon must certainly be looking over their shoulder at the new Leica model which promises to be a real hum-dinger of a camera. With the larger image circle of the 17 and 24 designs you have a medium format lens in waiting. Couple this with probably a new 45 TS-E and an already excellent 90 TS-E you have a reasonably good start collection of lenses almost as complete as what the S2 will offer.
Does any of this make sense to anyone?
This could get exciting.

Jul 05, 2009 at 01:43 PM

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p.2 #23 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

Doug Ball wrote:
Certainly these new designs, with the new 24mll have enough fuel in the tank to deal with larger sensor sizes.
However it may be difficult to achieve 50MP + sensors within the 35mm format.
Something else may be in the wind.
I have felt that these new TS-E lens, the 17 and 24 might be the core of yet another new camera from Canon, much like the Leica S2. The S2 required a whole new generation of lenses to deal with the larger sensor, (medium format in size).
The new TS-E designs might morph into simple non shifting lens for a much larger sensor based body.
Canon must certainly be looking over their shoulder at the new Leica model which promises to be a real hum-dinger of a camera. With the larger image circle of the 17 and 24 designs you have a medium format lens in waiting. Couple this with probably a new 45 TS-E and an already excellent 90 TS-E you have a reasonably good start collection of lenses almost as complete as what the S2 will offer.
Does any of this make sense to anyone?
This could get exciting.

But these existing lenses would still be useless as the mount would have to be a new larger mount if they move to a larger sensor.

Jul 05, 2009 at 02:17 PM

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p.2 #24 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

I don't think Canon is worried about the new Leica. That's not Canon's market. They've never been in the medium format business, and there's no need to start now. The Leica stuff is so ungodly expensive, people who buy it weren't going to be buying Canon anyway, they would be using medium format digital backs right now.

They haven't announced a price yet, but I bet the camera body alone will cost $15,000 at least. The lenses will likely be at $2,500 for the cheapies, to $10K for some of the more expensive lenses. Heck, the M mount 50 /0.95 is 10K...and they don't even have a really exceptional body to put it on, digitally.

Jul 05, 2009 at 02:24 PM

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p.2 #25 · 17 TS-E; Detail intensive subject

What I suggest would be a new camera body with a larger mount.
You are right about the Leica system price being very expensive and catering to a different market.
Howerver Canon and Nikon might begin to feel there is as limit to the resolution game within the 35mm format. Leica has demonstrated that they can cram a medium format sensor with the optics for the necessary viewfinder into a body that is roughly the size of a 1Ds body. Sure it requires a new mount and new lenses.
My point is that with the TS-E lenses they already have they might be part way there in as much as having a lens design that can be adapted easily and therefore reduce the R & D expense somewhat.
Because of their astronomical price Leica is not a direct competitor to Canon. Nikon and now Sony are. Canon has to try and anticipate what they are thinking and respond accordingly.
My main business is product development and I have learned to think like marketing, engineering and development people in a large company.
Thinking inside the box (35mm format) can be dangerous when a company (Leica) have moved outside that box and demonstrated to everyone that it is possible.
Product development is a lot like the game of chess. You seize the initiative forcing your opponent to play defensively and never let up.

Jul 05, 2009 at 03:44 PM


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