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Chefdaniel Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #1 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? What gear would you bring on a private helicopter outing for landscapes and nature? I have all the Nikon lenses I need. I just don't know what to bring. Anyone have any experience shooting from a Heli? Thanks Daniel Thinking about D3x 400mm 2.8 Vr or 600 f4 VR D3 with 24-70 / 200 vr What would you bring? I will have a unobstructed view. Thanks for all your help. Jul 02, 2009 at 01:29 PM

turnert Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #2 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? For my line of work, I occasionally need to document landscape features from a helicopter. I shoot in extremely mountainous terrain and I can tell the pilot where I need to be, so I never need anything longer than the 70-200mm. I take two to three cameras to avoid having to change lenses often. I use the 12-24mm on my DX bodies, the 24-70mm on the D700, and the 70-200mm on both. I will also use my 10.5mm fish. I need to keep shutter speeds high to counter the heli vibrations (keep your arms off the frame of the heli if possible) and light conditions are frequently poor (e.g., low cloud ceiling) so I always toss a fast prime into the bag just in case, like the 50mm f/1.8. The key for me is to shoot out an open window while not sticking out too far. Air speed while maneuvering in the canyons is around 50-70 mph and 70-80 mph while cruising up river, so the wind pressure on the front of the lens can be high, which is another reason to keep shutter speeds high or use VR if you have it. To minimize motion sickness while shooting, I take some Bonine before the flight and eat plenty of crystallized ginger. Good luck. ~Ted Edited on Jul 02, 2009 at 01:45 PM · View previous versions Jul 02, 2009 at 01:42 PM

loggerhead Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #3 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? I took a tour in Hawaii of the volcano. I think I took the 70-200 and the 24-70. I ended up only using the 70-200, maybe even with the 1.7x. I'd say go long. However, I guess I was focused on lava, so your needs might vary depending on what your shooting. We were on an open door ride, so I could literally hang on the door which was cool. My only takeaway was to shoot with the motor going. Lot's of vibration and movement. It was harder to focus on my subject. If your on a private tour, you might have more of an ability to get the pilot to work with you to allow for focus and composing. Good Luck, you will have a great time! Jul 02, 2009 at 01:44 PM

sjms Online Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: On p.1 #4 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? evidently Gugs had few problems with vib and such http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/787308/0?keyword=x#7251680 Jul 02, 2009 at 01:51 PM

Chefdaniel Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #5 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? Wow! Thank you so much everyone. Maybe I should consider 17-35, 24-70, 70-200, 200 2.0 and 600 VR + 1.4 for the distance stuff. I wish I had something VR on the wide end, damn Nikon. Thank you for all the advise. Jul 02, 2009 at 02:42 PM

Steve Perry Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #6 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? I've done some shooting from planes and once from a helicopter, and by far a 70-200 is the most used. If it's a private, photo flight, you can generally have the pilot get you close enough. I'd probably toss in a 24-70, but anything wider you'd have to be about hanging out of the helicopter not to get parts of it in the photo. Also, I think a 600 would be a LOT too long - I can't imagine trying to keep it steady enough for an acceptably sharp shot. You generally open a window and shoot out. If you're next to the pilot, I don't see how you can lean back far enough not to have half the lens out the window (and I doubt there's shutter speed fast enough to keep it steady in those conditions). If I wanted something longer, I'd think about a 300 2.8 VR. (Or your 200 with a tc) Just my 2 cents. Steve Jul 02, 2009 at 02:50 PM

Zouloukistan Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #7 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? I cried when I saw all the gear you have. Jul 02, 2009 at 02:58 PM

Chefdaniel Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #8 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? Steve Perry wrote: I've done some shooting from planes and once from a helicopter, and by far a 70-200 is the most used. If it's a private, photo flight, you can generally have the pilot get you close enough. I'd probably toss in a 24-70, but anything wider you'd have to be about hanging out of the helicopter not to get parts of it in the photo. Also, I think a 600 would be a LOT too long - I can't imagine trying to keep it steady enough for an acceptably sharp shot. You generally open a window and shoot out. If you're next to the pilot, I don't see how you can lean back far enough not to have half the lens out the window (and I doubt there's shutter speed fast enough to keep it steady in those conditions). If I wanted something longer, I'd think about a 300 2.8 VR. (Or your 200 with a tc) Just my 2 cents. Steve Got it! Thank you. Very sound advise. So, This is what I'm bringing D3 70-200 VR D3X 24-70 VR 200 VR 2.0 85 1.4 50 1.4 1.4 TC Thanks again!! Planes leaving in two hours gotta start packin.. Jul 02, 2009 at 03:51 PM

Mark Blumer Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #9 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? I took a heli tour of San Francisco. You would be amazed at how small the space is inside a tour helicopter! I only took my D3 and 24-70. I didn't miss anything else and was able to move the camera around inside (I flew in the co-pilot seat). Even the 70-200 would have hit the windshield on some angles. Mark B (East Lansing, Michigan) Jul 02, 2009 at 05:13 PM

Steve Perry Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #10 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? Let us know ho wit went - and post a pic or two Jul 02, 2009 at 06:05 PM

Peter Figen Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #11 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? Make sure they take the door off for you to give you greater visual mobility. If you're in the front seat like I was recently in a Jet Ranger, you'll have very little room. I had one body with a 70-200 and one with a 24-70 and that's all I needed. Please do not forget to duct tape your seatbelt latch closed. The airline style seatbelt buckles are all too easy to catch on a sleeve and open inadvertently. There is an incredible amount of vibration in a chopper but image stabilization actually does work even at high shutter speeds. Here are three from a 2 helicopter shoot documenting Benny Chan's L.A Freeway aerial series. 144mm, 70mm and 180mm, not necessarily in that order. Make sure your pilot understands what you are going after and that you understand what language works best to communicate your needs to him.   Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    144 mm    f/8.0    1/250 sec    200 ISO    +0.3 EV     Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    180 mm    f/8.0    1/3200 sec    400 ISO    0.0 EV     Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    70 mm    f/8.0    1/2000 sec    400 ISO    0.0 EV   Jul 02, 2009 at 06:14 PM

gugs Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #12 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? a few hints: two bodies with a 24-70 and a 70-200VR is the best combo. Note that I put the 70-200VR on a D2x to get more reach... up to you to decide if you want to add a TC or use the crop mode on the D3x if your need more than 200mm magnification on FX. Check your shutter speed, because vibration can be an issue. Check your first pictures at pixel level (pixel peeping is REALLY important to be sure, and don't forget there are huge lighting differences between a dark building and a shot with the sky in it). I selected my settings on the ground and my first pictures were blurred. Luckily I checked quickly enough to increase my ISO to get the proper shutter speed (VR active is helping but is not enough). This is of course not really an issue with the 24-70 on a sunny day... The best place is behind the pilot, on the other side with the door removed, and depending on the weather/temperature don't forget to wear a shirt to protect your arms, the wind can really get your arm very cold even if the temperature is reasonably high... Be VERY careful with the seat belt, same type as in a classical airplane... a wrong move and you are not secured with all the possible consequences... as suggested foresee a piece of tape/rope/whatever to double lock it. Next to that, have fun, it is just a wonderful experience. And I forget: agree with the pilot on what you want to shoot, how many times you want to fly above a specific location, tell him when you are done, if you want to go up, down, left, right, slower, whatever, a short discussion can help make things clear. With the headphones they are using, there is no problem to communicate with the pilot during the flight. It is a bit risky/dangerous to switch lenses or do anything else then taking pictures with your cameras, depending on some sudden movements (due to temperature differences for instance) you could drop something quite easily... Hope this helps... Guy Jul 02, 2009 at 07:32 PM

gugs Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #13 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? and one more shot for the fun D2X ISO400 116mm f5.6 1/2000 Guy Jul 02, 2009 at 08:30 PM

Peter Figen Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #14 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? Changing lenses can be very dicey. Changing CF cards even dicier. You want to do everything your power to avoid ANYTHING flying out the door. Even the smallest item can be deadly to someone below. Of course, flying in L.A. I might be more acutely aware of that. For me, reading glasses were almost impossible to use, so actually reading the LCD was not really possible. It can also be a lot colder than you imagine, especially with the wind factor. Even in warm weather a wind breaker is not a bad idea. Jul 03, 2009 at 01:25 AM

David Kenney Offline Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #15 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? I worked in the Dallas District Attorney’s Office as an investigator; my primary job was tying up the loose ends and getting the cases ready for trial. One of the perks I thoroughly enjoyed was having a Dallas P. D. or Texas Department of Public safety helicopter at my disposal for photo missions. During my time at the D.A.’s office I logged a couple hundred hours taking photos for court cases. My favorite helicopter for photo missions was the Bell Long Ranger; my preferred perch was to sit on the floor of the chopper with my feet on the skids shooting between my legs. Since we were flying in a law enforcement chopper, I could fly as low as I wanted without the FAA getting their knickers in a knot and hover if I needed to so I could get the shot I needed. The last time I flew in a civilian helicopter the tab wet with pilot was 600.00 per hour, needless to say I have been flying in fixed winged craft for my aerial photos for the most part at about 110.00 per hour wet with pilot. Jul 03, 2009 at 07:03 AM

Andy Biggs Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #16 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? I photograph over the Okavango Delta from a helicopter often, and here are some thoughts. 1) have 2 cameras attached to lenses. Switching lenses isn't ideal for a long list of reasons. 2) have moderate wide angles to moderate telephoto zooms. I use a 24-70mm and a 70-200mm f/2.8 VR. 3) Shutter speed is kind here for sharp results. 1/1000 minimum, depending on rotor configuration. The more rotors your aircraft has, the better. 4) Remove side doors. Shooting through plexi isn't ideal or worth your time. 5) I am partial to Bell JetRanger and LongRanger models. Eurocopters are great to fly in, but some models don't have removable doors (they slide). 6) Find out the helicopter model ahead of time and understand the configuration. 7) a gyro is nice, but understand that it takes just as much energy from you to move your cameras as it takes to stop it. It is a better solution if you are in a non-moving helicopter, as your subject(s) are likely to not be moving much in relation to you. 8) don't worry about high ISO noise, as a sharp photograph taken at a higher shutter speed is preferable to a noise-free image that is blurry. Have a blast! Aerial photography is one of those things that I love more than most other forms of photography, but the cost limits my ability to do it very often. Andy Jul 03, 2009 at 02:18 PM

jmcfadden Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #17 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? Peter Figen wrote: Make sure they take the door off for you to give you greater visual mobility. If you're in the front seat like I was recently in a Jet Ranger, you'll have very little room. I had one body with a 70-200 and one with a 24-70 and that's all I needed. Please do not forget to duct tape your seatbelt latch closed. The airline style seatbelt buckles are all too easy to catch on a sleeve and open inadvertently. There is an incredible amount of vibration in a chopper but image stabilization actually does work even at high shutter speeds. Here are three from a 2 helicopter shoot documenting Benny Chan's L.A Freeway aerial series. 144mm, 70mm and 180mm, not necessarily in that order. Make sure your pilot understands what you are going after and that you understand what language works best to communicate your needs to him. What in the world is the guy doing in the first image? What is he holding? J Jul 03, 2009 at 02:35 PM

Peter Figen Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #18 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? "What in the world is the guy doing in the first image? What is he holding?" That's Benny Chan, well known architectural photograher, who, for the past couple of years has been doing a series called "Traffic" - aerial shots of the L.A. freeway system at rush hour. The camera he's using is an 8X10 aerial camera he designed himself on a CAD system and had carved out of solid cubic foot of aluminum. If my memory serves me, it has a 300mm Nikkor Aerial lens with fixed infinity focus along with a digital shutter that goes up to 1/500 of a second. He shoots 8X10 Portra 400 pushed. The Nikkor needs to be stopped to f/11-2/3 to be sharp in the corners. Benny has two Howtek 7500 drum scanners. The negs were drum scanned and printed as six foot by eight foot Lightjet prints and are on display at the Pasadena Museum of California Art on Union St. in Pasadena, Ca. through the summer. A very impressive show and social comment as well. Benny asked me to shoot documentary stills for a book he's doing on the project, hence the images I posted previously in this thread. He hired JetCopters out of Van Nuys, Ca. to take us up in a Jet Ranger and a Long Ranger. I'm attaching two more images - one taken when we were about a hundred feet apart, and there is very little sense of distance when there is no ground between you, and the other a shot Benny took of me, not with the 8X10. Anyone interested can check his website at: www.fotoworks.com   Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    200 mm    f/8.0    1/1000 sec    400 ISO    0.0 EV     Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    200 mm    f/4.0    1/1000 sec    250 ISO    +1.0 EV   Jul 03, 2009 at 05:00 PM

Andy Biggs Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #19 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? Peter, was one of your pilots Peter McKernan by chance? :-) Jul 03, 2009 at 05:45 PM

Peter Figen Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #20 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? Andy, My pilot was Kevin, the owner of JetCopters, and I think Benny's pilot was named Tom. Do you recognize the pilot in the shot posted above? Peter Jul 03, 2009 at 06:10 PM

Andy Biggs Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #21 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? Ah, I forgot that Peter McKernane sold Jetcopters a while back. My bad. I don't know the pilot in the above image, unfortunately. Peter Sr. and Peter Jr. are the 'go to' guys in hollywood for helicopter and fixed wing shoots. Jul 03, 2009 at 06:11 PM

dweldon Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #22 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? My one and only outing was from one of the microcopters (bubble in the front essentially) with limited room in the cockpit for any equipment. I took only the 5D with a 24-70 f/2.8. Results are posted under commercial misc at the the link from at http://www.danweldonphotography.com/ Jul 03, 2009 at 06:21 PM

Peter Figen Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #23 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? Andy, Went to your website. I remember seeing your work before. Very very nice. You're one of the very few photographers where I can say, when I look at your images, that it's probably very close to the same image I would make. The other was Barry Tessman, who died in a kayaking accident on Lake Isabella several years ago. Peter Jul 03, 2009 at 06:59 PM

Andy Biggs Offline Upload & Sell: On p.1 #24 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? Thanks for the very kind words, Peter. I will look Barry up to see some of his work. Jul 03, 2009 at 07:01 PM

lxdesign Offline Dedicated FM Upload & Sell: Off p.1 #25 · Private Helicopter Outing, What gear? There was a show years ago that aired in Canada - I can't remember what channel it was, but it was called "Nikon Wildlife Adventures"... and one day the guy that hosted the show went on a helicopter excursion to shoot mountain goats out in B.C. He was armed with a D2h, and the 70-200VR, and the images he came back with looked great. One of the reasons why I got the 70-200VR was because of that show. Jul 03, 2009 at 07:25 PM

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