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Pixel Perfect wrote:
hey the EOS 3 was polycarbonate and I don't remember that being considered inferior. It would survive knocks that would damage a metal 1V sometimes. A lot more impact resistant than the metal alloy.

The EOS 3 has a reputation of being well constructed and uses a combination of Magnesium alloy and glass-fiber reinforced polycarbonate. Who knows, this EP1 may turn out to be very solid. You would think that Olympus engineered it to withstand the lenses they say are compatible.

Jun 24, 2009 at 03:24 AM

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Come on, Zuikos ain't that huge

Jun 24, 2009 at 06:40 AM

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I have, and I have an M6, I noticed my 350D more when I had it.

The way richard finds excuses to unproductively attack leica though, you'd think they killed his family.

Well, the Germans did attack England some 65-70 years ago, and I'm sure many of those bombers had Leicas onboard to take snapshots of the destruction they caused, so maybe you're right.

Jun 24, 2009 at 06:50 AM

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Jorgen Udvang wrote:
thrice wrote:
The way richard finds excuses to unproductively attack leica though, you'd think they killed his family.

Well, the Germans did attack England some 65-70 years ago, and I'm sure many of those bombers had Leicas onboard to take snapshots of the destruction they caused, so maybe you're right.

The Soviets might have finished the job sooner had Solms been in charge ;-)

Jun 24, 2009 at 09:34 AM

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Jorgen Udvang wrote:
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Come on, Zuikos ain't that huge

Some can be heavy relative to a tiny body like the E-P1 and would put a strain on a weak lens mount. They are often larger than you might expect given the format. For instance, the SWD 12-60, a lens I once owned and one that I'm sure will find its way onto someone's E-P1, weighs over a pound. That might not sound like much, but add the adapter and your looking at putting some strain on the lens mount. Plenty of 4/3rds users will be putting their glass on the E-P1 and some of these lenses can be quite heavy. The 7-14 is close to 2 pounds. Just something to keep in mind as these lenses are fully compatible and promoted by Olympus for use on the E-P1.

Do you think anybody will manage to hold an E-P1/12-60 combo by that tiny camera alone? Apart from that, most of the other Olys are plastic as well, and I haven't seen any where the lens has fallen off.

I don't recall that particular lens having a tripod mount so, for instance, attach the camera directly to a tripod and the lens becomes supported by the camera. This, in fact, would be how I imagine a lot of larger/heavier lenses being used with the E-P1, made practical by the LCD/live view screen. Hand holding, yes, no doubt you would support the camera with one hand and the lens with the other.

Jun 24, 2009 at 12:56 PM

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Jorgen Udvang wrote:
thrice wrote:
I have, and I have an M6, I noticed my 350D more when I had it.

The way richard finds excuses to unproductively attack leica though, you'd think they killed his family.

Well, the Germans did attack England some 65-70 years ago, and I'm sure many of those bombers had Leicas onboard to take snapshots of the destruction they caused, so maybe you're right.

http://www.nemeng.com/leica/005eb.shtml

Interesting reading on Leica during WWII.

Jun 24, 2009 at 01:00 PM

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When will this camera be in stores?

Jun 24, 2009 at 02:32 PM

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Plastic or not, its the first camera I have been truly excited about in some time. Hopefully we will see it stores soon.

Jun 24, 2009 at 07:43 PM

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p.2 #9 · E-P1 is plastic!

I believe the eta is sometime in July.

Jun 24, 2009 at 07:44 PM

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Early July is reported. July 3 is the rumoured date for Japanese customers.

Jun 24, 2009 at 10:06 PM

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Tariq Gibran wrote:
What bothers me most about this is not the use of plastic in the camera but the poor journalism, false promotion. I really thought this camera had a stainless steel construction by everything written.

I was mislead as well.

Happy shooting,
Yakim.

Jun 25, 2009 at 12:46 PM

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Tariq Gibran wrote:
http://www.nemeng.com/leica/005eb.shtml

Interesting reading on Leica during WWII.

Bearing in mind this quote by Ernst Leitz's son, "My father... ...was able to act because the government needed our factory's military output", it's hard for me to get too sentimental about Leica's decisive role in Hitler's downfall. My father always reminds me that the war wasn't about the holocaust, it was about avoiding conquest by a popular but deranged fascist despot. Pa should know: he spent 4 years risking his life on destroyers in that struggle.

Jun 25, 2009 at 03:04 PM

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I somehow suspect that researchers/historians often are better at making valued insightful comments about the war than the low-level participants themselves. But brainiac downplaying leicas good deeds is "in character", so I should not expect otherwise..

Jun 25, 2009 at 03:16 PM

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I somehow suspect that researchers/historians often are better at making valued insightful comments about the war than the low-level participants themselves.

I don't think it takes a historian to understand that annexing or invading Austria, Sudetenland, Poland, Danzig, Denmark, Norway, Luxembourg, Belgium, Holland, France, Monaco, Yugoslavia, Greece, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and the Soviet Union were at the heart of the disagreement. The genocide wasn't widely credited until the end of the war, and it's not entirely clear that any of the allied countries would have gone to war over that alone, even if they had understood the scale to which it would grow.

>But brainiac downplaying leicas good deeds is "in character", so I should not expect otherwise..

I don't wish to downplay Leitz's good deeds, but equally one mustn't rose tint history so that the rise of the Fuhrer and his spoiling for the most ferocious war in history appear to be a bit of bad luck. Leitz was a complicit part of the Nazi military industrial complex. Individual stories of heroism are all very well, but in real terms Leica had a hand in killing a lot of allied troops as well as saving the lives of German Jews. There is a danger in blaming all that destruction on one man with a silly moustache. They say history is written by the victors, but it's amazing how much of it can be quietly disappeared by the vanquished.

Frankly I object to the suggestion that I have it in for Leica. I would like to see Leica succeed, but I don't think it is producing cameras commensurate with its lenses or its reputation. The market appears to agree with me. In my view that's not prejudice on my part, but simply a degree of honesty that is unwelcome here due to latent brand snobbery. Criticising, for instance, Canon, is a national sport on FM, but criticising Leica is still some kind of taboo.

Let's get back to the EP1, which is innovative and exciting despite coming from one of the Axis countries ;-)

Jun 25, 2009 at 06:07 PM

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"...Leitz was a complicit part of the Nazi military industrial complex..."
so was Krupps, BMW, HUGO BOSS, VW, PORSCHE, IBM, BAYERN...this is a can from which you can't pick only the worms you want.

"...Criticising, for instance, Canon, is a national sport on FM, but criticising Leica is still some kind of taboo..."
It's criticizing LEICA DRFs by comparing them to CANON DSLRs that gets you into boiling water hee Brainiac

"...Let's get back to the EP1, which is innovative and exciting despite coming from one of the Axis countries ;-)..."
Agreed and good thing for that because if it was left to the Alliance we would be using KODAKs and HPs

Jun 25, 2009 at 06:41 PM

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"...Leitz was a complicit part of the Nazi military industrial complex..."
so was Krupps, BMW, HUGO BOSS, VW, PORSCHE, IBM, BAYERN...this is a can from which you can't pick only the worms you want.

I agree. But my point stands: I can't get too sentimental about Leica's anti-Nazi credentials.

"...Criticising, for instance, Canon, is a national sport on FM, but criticising Leica is still some kind of taboo..."
It's criticizing LEICA DRFs by comparing them to CANON DSLRs that gets you into boiling water hee Brainiac

Don't I know it! As an experienced rangefinder and SLR user I can never understand why though. They are all cameras, and many of us could shoot with either in many circumstances.

"...Let's get back to the EP1, which is innovative and exciting despite coming from one of the Axis countries ;-)..."
Agreed and good thing for that because if it was left to the Alliance we would be using KODAKs and HPs

True. That would probably suck. God bless the post-Axis industrial complex ;-)

Jun 25, 2009 at 06:58 PM

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well what an utterly cowardly way to attempt to win the argument

to let the pain of a war that began now 70 years ago prevail over common sense in a forum about cameras. As a former soldier, I can speak with at least some authority, that neither soldiers nor people hold any persuasion over their government, even before the shooting starts.

That condition was extant in England, Germany, the USA, and Japan
...................................................where Canon cameras are made..

This man holds no logic, is a virtual stain on the forum community here at FM.

my deepest apologies to all who feel hurt by this conversation, and of those in particular peoples of German decent.

Jun 25, 2009 at 08:13 PM

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"...Criticising, for instance, Canon, is a national sport on FM, but criticising Leica is still some kind of taboo..."
It's criticizing LEICA DRFs by comparing them to CANON DSLRs that gets you into boiling water hee Brainiac

Don't I know it! As an experienced rangefinder and SLR user I can never understand why though. They are all cameras, and many of us could shoot with either in many circumstances.

You think this is bad! you should have seen what I heard when I showed up to an RF photographers meeting with my RD-1

Jun 25, 2009 at 08:28 PM

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Critizizing Leica is not taboo, as long as one does not make it into one of the pillars of ones personal religion ..

Jun 25, 2009 at 08:59 PM

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brainiac wrote:
God bless the post-Axis industrial complex ;-)

As an atheist, I take offense at that!

just kidding. The Holocaust, Hitler, God and the Axis power all invoked in a silly thread about a camera. Man, can we get off topic or what? Yes, all of our tax dollars go to fund drones that kill innocent people. We are all complicit. It just depends upon how you choose to rationalize the situation under your particular ideology.

So, that E-P1. What a camera. I fell like I'm a character in a Kurt Vonnegut novel all of a sudden!

Jun 25, 2009 at 09:19 PM

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Everything counts in large amounts Tariq. Depeche Mode sang on that! We are what they have been!

Rob, as much as I appreciate your point, I will rather evoke any and all subjects in conversation than hide them out of the way in history books. Having said that, hijacking a thread is neither polite nor appropriate IMO, so I agree with Tariq on this one.
Lets get backonto the topic: That E-P1, what a camera

Jun 25, 2009 at 09:29 PM

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Everything counts in large amounts Tariq. Depeche Mode sang on that! We are what they have been!

yep, and we all need our own Personal Jesus to take care of all the flys on the Windscreen when we are earning our GodMoney. Agree.

Jun 25, 2009 at 09:34 PM

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So, lets get a count. Who here has an E-P1 on order already and who here is waiting it out. I'm in the second camp at the moment.

Jun 25, 2009 at 09:38 PM

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Tariq Gibran wrote:
So, lets get a count. Who here has an E-P1 on order already and who here is waiting it out. I'm in the second camp at the moment.

Waiting it out as I want to see Oly's higher-end body, but the 17 is likely getting ordered next week.

Jun 25, 2009 at 10:28 PM

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Tariq Gibran wrote:
So, lets get a count. Who here has an E-P1 on order already and who here is waiting it out. I'm in the second camp at the moment.

Waiting it out as I want to see Oly's higher-end body, but the 17 is likely getting ordered next week.

And, Panasonic will likely have a competing model out by then, smaller than the G1. Before long, there will be plenty of options and competition.

Jun 25, 2009 at 10:34 PM


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