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p.14 #1 · Galbraith Update: MK III Not Improved


Canon's almost criminal coverup is to blame for the big mess, not RG.


Jun 05, 2009 at 09:49 AM
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Johnny Bravo wrote:
I agree. That guy is just an ass at this point, wallowing in the publicity he's generated. It's time for RG to fade back into obscurity.


We need people like Rob that will hold Canon's feet to the fire. We have way too many "fan boys" around here.



Jun 05, 2009 at 09:56 AM
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p.14 #3 · Galbraith Update: MK III Not Improved


Well I'm hopeful that the stories regarding the latest calibration are true because my 1DIII is going in next week for "the off center recalibration fix". I know for a fact that the 1DIII is capable of astounding results because I have seen it first hand. A good friend and I shoot many events side by side using the same lens/body and CF settings. His 1DIII frequently makes mine look pretty puny in comparison with far fewer OOF shots.


Jun 05, 2009 at 02:02 PM
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A good friend, great Photographer, Editor, Sport Shooter, etc....had this to say on the Mark III issue. I thought he hit home on a number of the issues....Canon and Nikon make 'um, you all need to learn to use 'um!!! Aloha and what eva's to the folks that like to scream "Fan Boy" whenever someone has a successfull relationship with their Mark III and posts it.

"David Croxford, Photographer, Photo Editor
Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 4:51 AM on 06.02.09
->> OK so into the "For What It's Worth" column ....
I guess I'm one of the lucky(ier) ones. I have two Mk III's bought about 3 months apart and yet both fell into the first serial number rotation that needed the upgrade and firmware corrections. they are my main bodies and are backed up with a Mark II and then a 30d if all else fails.
Neither the Mk III I purchased for the company I work for in June of 07, nor the one I got for myself in September of 07, have suffered any of the problems in AF or AF servo, that can be attributed to faulty AF in the camera. I've dutifully sent them in for repairs as the requirements became known because I needed to hold any resale value in the equipment.
A good friend lambasted Canon more than once, having lenses and bodies checked and re checked because he "thought' he saw repeated errors, only to discover that certain CF settings were not correctly allocated. Finally, he took the time to check the AF on each of his lenses, making the corrections individually (CF III.7) by lens and setting each lens up.
Initially I laughed it off, after all I wasn't seeing any issues - but he assured me that he was doing this as a last resort and in response to Canon's suggestion. His issues disappeared and after about a week or so, and even though I didn't see any need, I checked my long glass out with the micro-adjustments.
It was tedious and laborious and even though I hadn't seen any major problems I did find that images recorded using my 600/4 benefitted from a small adjustment (+3) for that lens. My 300/4 was always right on and my shorter glass have always been crisp so since I really didn't have the time, I've left those alone.
At various points in this discussion thread, both this one and ones that have preceded it, people have ranted about having to "correct" AF issues by fine tuning the bodies. They felt that something costing $42-4500 needed to be working well right out of the box. I agree, but is that technically possible when the bodies we're slinging on our shoulders every day amount to nothing less than a high powered image making computer that just happens to look like your old AE1?
I guess for my two cents worth, I have to say that as cameras become more and more complex, the need for us to understand and know the equipment, right down to the nitty gritty obscure functions is paramount. And as I meet up with other photogs in my sphere of reference, asking them if they've ever read the manual usually gets a nonchalant disdainful stare!
The other side of that coin, of course, is that we expect a company of Canon's stature, to be on top of the problems rather than disavowing any knowledge of the situation that clearly exsists(ed).
I wish they'd put this to bed by doing something radical - a complete change out would be nice, and would set the resale market back right side up. But what's to say that if they have a totally new AF system with as many CF functions, that they won't experience some of the same issues with a different user group?
I think the days of the bare bones camera bodies, manual everything etc. are a thing of the past.
If you've done any freelance shooting recently, you know that you can't be too far behind the "pack" technologically because you'll be losing a whole lot more money. Your colleagues will provide bigger image files, faster and with better quality - even if you can fill a billboard at 300dpi with YOUR image! If yours is shot with an older camera, some neubie is gonna out class you with his megamillion pixel image at half the price. It ain't fair, it ain't nice - but it's life. And not the Bowl of Cherries kind either!
Here ends my once in a blue moon rant."



Jun 05, 2009 at 03:15 PM
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dvarnav wrote:
Yakim I think that Nikon did that on D3 improvemnts due to customer request.


And publicly said so?

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Jun 05, 2009 at 06:28 PM
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it's bottomless, it really is ...


Jun 05, 2009 at 06:30 PM
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mrogers wrote:
A good friend, great Photographer, Editor, Sport Shooter, etc....had this to say on the Mark III issue. I thought he hit home on a number of the issues....Canon and Nikon make 'um, you all need to learn to use 'um!!!



I'd strongly recommend that your friend stay in photography and not attempt a career in marketing or product development.



Jun 05, 2009 at 08:53 PM
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chez wrote:
We have way too many "fan boys" around here.


So people can't be genuinely satisfied with a Canon product without them being labelled "fanboys"?

What a ridiculous comment.



Jun 06, 2009 at 11:09 AM
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scott f wrote:
That is ridiculous, RG was given a camera at the very beginning of all this by Canon to try out. He reported that the AF was a mess, to which Canon agreed, but tempered it with saying he had a preproduction model only, and promising that it would be fixed by production time. The publicity was generated by the failure of the camera. Don't forget that Canon enlisted his help in subsequent fixes, so I think it's a bit out of line to suggest he generated the publicity. There were numerous people who reported on the problems with this
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yes but in the mean time money was spent on a promise not delivered. i could care less about the NEXT big thing. been there, done that, gone now.

it seems with what i use now in order to really mess up the AF is to turn it off. no real setting up or special instructions document http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2866 required reading. it now for the most part shooting, shooting, shooting.



Jun 06, 2009 at 11:15 AM
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Andrew J wrote:
Canon's almost criminal coverup is to blame for the big mess, not RG.


+1



Jun 07, 2009 at 06:40 AM
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rhyder wrote:
+1


+2

Happy shooting,
Yakim.



Jun 07, 2009 at 06:46 AM
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p.14 #12 · Galbraith Update: MK III Not Improved


It really was shameful, in a put your trust in a company/product kind of way, when they knew before production and release it had a focus issue.


Jun 07, 2009 at 11:31 AM
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keithreeder wrote:
So people can't be genuinely satisfied with a Canon product without them being labelled "fanboys"?

What a ridiculous comment.


Agree 100% Keith. And where did this infantile, mindless, stupid term "fan boy" come from, and what precisely does it mean?

Colin



Jun 07, 2009 at 12:39 PM
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Wickedfn4u wrote:
It really was shameful, in a put your trust in a company/product kind of way, when they knew before production and release it had a focus issue.


This does not make any sense.

Colin



Jun 07, 2009 at 12:40 PM
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Wickedfn4u wrote:
It really was shameful, in a put your trust in a company/product kind of way, when they knew before production and release it had a focus issue.


Do you feel they shouldn't have released the camera until RG was happy? Are you sure no AF fixes occurred before the release that Canon may have believed fixed the issue?




Jun 07, 2009 at 12:58 PM
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Curator wrote:
Do you feel they shouldn't have released the camera until RG was happy? Are you sure no AF fixes occurred before the release that Canon may have believed fixed the issue?




C'mon lets call a spade a spade here.



Jun 07, 2009 at 01:18 PM
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scott f wrote:
C'mon lets call a spade a spade here.


I'm not going to say Canon did or didn't know that there were AF issues before the camera was shipped. Those that work for Canon are the only ones that know for sure.

I'm just wondering if photographers, not gear collectors, would have been better off if Canon had not shipped the Mark III yet due to RG's complaints. I'm sure there are some that have had problems that may say yes, but there are many others that have no issues.

Would Canon as a corporation be better off if the best they had was still the Mark II series? If this were the case, I think we would see even more people convert to Nikon with the feeling that Canon had fallen way behind.






Jun 07, 2009 at 02:43 PM
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Curator wrote:
I'm not going to say Canon did or didn't know that there were AF issues before the camera was shipped. Those that work for Canon are the only ones that know for sure.

I'm just wondering if photographers, not gear collectors, would have been better off if Canon had not shipped the Mark III yet due to RG's complaints. I'm sure there are some that have had problems that may say yes, but there are many others that have no issues.

Would Canon as a corporation be better off if the best they had was still the Mark
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I think releasing a product before it was ready, has seriously damaged their reputation. That they couldn't get up to expectations after two years is even more startling. I think if all they had done was plunk the 5D sensor in a mark2 AF system at 8 or 9 frames per second, they would have had a winner.



Jun 07, 2009 at 03:11 PM
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Colin Key wrote:
This does not make any sense.

Colin

Which does not? the part that they would release a product with an issue or that you would believe in a company (which up to that point I felt did a great job) to produce a product that should perform as specified in it literature?



Jun 07, 2009 at 03:50 PM
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Curator wrote:
Do you feel they shouldn't have released the camera until RG was happy? Are you sure no AF fixes occurred before the release that Canon may have believed fixed the issue?



No they should not have released it knowing it still had an issue. If you read his first review Canon states they know that it has a focus issue but that this is a preproduction model and would be addressed before production.




Jun 07, 2009 at 03:53 PM
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