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Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

Dim.ka_
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p.1 #1 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

Well, have done some quick test snaps. (should i make these crops bigger?)
The first lens Canon ef 50 1.4 has slight backfocus, but i want to see how each lens would render the foreground and background.
I will do more test scenes later and there will be pentax 50 1.2 and ef 50 1.2L as well.

Camera Canon EOS 5D ("shaved" mirror by 4.95mm!!! and modified mirror box in order to use Konica AR 57 1.2)

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I have restored the original shootout here
http://album.foto.ru/photos/26407/

samples from the 50mm group

So here is 55-58 group

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The same flower scene using Mamiya 645 afd + canon fd 85 1.2L
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/771979

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Apr 20, 2009 at 09:33 PM

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p.1 #2 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

of the 8, I prefer the second to the left, upper row one the best. Thanks for doing this! I hope it is fun having so many different renderings available at hand.

Edit--I guess I like the FD 50mm 1.2. Funny-I don't remember seeing the lens ID's the first time I looked.

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Apr 20, 2009 at 09:45 PM

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p.1 #3 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

Thank you for the work

Great test!

Apr 20, 2009 at 10:14 PM

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p.1 #4 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

Dimtry,
Thanks for the great work in doing this test.

Noct Nikkor is easily the sharpest and best bokeh for me.
Although the FD50 1.2 looks a bit sharper than the Rokkor 58,
I still prefer the Rokkor 58 overall because of the better bokeh.

One thing I noticed that is strange is that the Noct Nikkor shot looks like it is focused more
in front than the other shots if you compare to the other shots and look at the pine cones in front of the back wheel of the bike and the bigger pine cone in front of it.

Apr 20, 2009 at 10:44 PM

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p.1 #5 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

I remember Erwin Puts found the FD 1.2 to be the greatest super fast 5omm at a time, so no real surpise there

Apr 20, 2009 at 10:57 PM

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p.1 #6 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

Thanks to all for kind words.
Concerning focus point - yes there is a shift in focusing point, but as i have mentioned before i will wait for pentax 50 1.2 and ef 50 1.2L and will do more precise replication in each test shot.

Apr 20, 2009 at 11:18 PM

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p.1 #7 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

Dimitry, this great, I cant wait for more!
I just had a thought, do you think it would be possible to post your original 50 and 85 shootout?
It was such a great resource and it would be a shame to lose.
What with Cogi's forum being gone and all it looks like maybe we should stick to keeping the good things on FM since its not going anywhere

cheers

Oh and by the way i like the renderings from the FD and Noct best, the only problem in the FD is you can see what appears to be tons of coma towards the edges - the thing which the Noct corrects so well.

Konica also looks quite good. It seems to achieve a really nice balance in its properties that i, for one, enjoy.

Apr 21, 2009 at 01:21 AM

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p.1 #8 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

How about a scene similiar to this: XSi with EOS/FD 50/1.4 wide open.

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focus point @ 2-3 meters, background 4-6 meters,

Apr 21, 2009 at 05:28 AM

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p.1 #9 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

That's a lot of work, Thanks.

For in focus sharpness, the Zuiko 50/1.2 looks great to me, but in this test its (and the Canon FDn 50/1.2) focus point was nearer so the nicely in focus areas are in different places. Besides the Noct Nikkor, I've found the Zuiko 50/1.2 to also be the best corrected fast 50 I have tried. The color, contrast, and sharpness on the Konica you tested looks a lot like the Zuiko 50/1.2 to me, but even that lens shows more color fringing around the bright metal parts. I've tried the Canon EF 50/1.4, Pentax 50/1.2, Rokkor 58/1.2, and Zuiko 50/1.2. I think you can tell which one I kept

Apr 21, 2009 at 08:07 AM

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p.1 #10 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

OM 50/1.2 is my favourite, followed by the FDn and Rocker 58, in that order.

Look at the grass. The EF 50/1.4 is the sharpest? Someone tell me I'm wrong, please.

Apr 21, 2009 at 11:26 AM

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p.1 #11 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

In terms of glowing of bright objekts the Rokkor 58 ist the best.
OM 50 is a tack sharper with a bit more contrast as far i've seen in my own tests. But the OM50 glows very much.

Apr 21, 2009 at 11:50 AM

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p.1 #12 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

First of all, thanks for the effort. I have been searching for tests like this because I cannot decide which fast 50mm lens to buy.

I will agree with some of the other members here that the focusing is quite different in some of the shots, so no solid conclusions can be made.

After spending quite some time looking very closely at all the shots, it seems to me that the Rokkor 58mm offers the highest resolution, although the Konica is nearly identical. Some of the others "look" sharper upon first glance because they offer more contrast but as I see it, most of them do not resolve as much fine detail as the Rokkor. The Noct is probably its equal in this department, but the focus is so far off the rest that it is impossible to draw any conclusions. The front-focusing of the Noct also gives it a bokeh advantage, in my opinion. The Canons (again, in my opinion) have both sacrificed real resolution in an effort to maximize (macro) contrast. Although the EF is surprisingly good, as someone else mentioned (but it's bokeh is not so nice).

Apr 21, 2009 at 02:03 PM

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p.1 #13 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

Dmitry,

Thanks for the efforts. This is a great thread. I can certainly see how a 5DII, with the live view would come in handy, with the difficulty of same focus point for each lens. But a 5D with a -5mm mirror shave! Maybe focus bracket to get more consistent.

Testing telescopes, we look at inter and extra focus points to see if the light energy is more toward the outside of the circle or in the center. Although subjective, good bokeh could be seen as having the light more in the center of the circle, or at least even over the circle of specular highlights, in the inter-focus point. Rememeber, if you are looking at OOF highlights, the focus point will be before the subject. Maybe a scene to demonstrate this would be good.

Just me $.02. Great work on that 50s collection!

Apr 21, 2009 at 02:26 PM

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p.1 #14 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

Before any of you get too scientific or nit-picky I thought I'd mention that based on Dim.Ka's other shootout and comparisons im quite certain that this was only a quick test, the real test is yet to come. And when he does publish it, it will be thorough.

We're lucky to have members here with the resources (aka lenses and mechanical skills) to be able to provide this sort of info!

Apr 21, 2009 at 02:28 PM

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p.1 #15 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

Thanks for the efforts! Looks like all of these are good choices, and the differences more subtle than one might think.

-Ed

Apr 21, 2009 at 02:29 PM

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p.1 #16 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

I only wish there was a decent copy of the FL 55 in the mix. i really can't believe how well mine performs. Unfortunately its t-stop is probably closer to 1.6 than 1.2 but other than that...

Apr 21, 2009 at 02:40 PM

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p.1 #17 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

Bokeh is better on Rokkor 58 1.2. It also has shallower DOF than most tested here.
It might look soft outside of center but not sure if this is due to DOF differences.

Apr 21, 2009 at 05:21 PM

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p.1 #18 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

So here are some new samples...

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May 10, 2009 at 09:01 PM

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p.1 #19 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

Excellent!

That Pentax is impressive. Which version is it?

May 10, 2009 at 10:04 PM

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p.1 #20 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

Pentax smc 50 1.2

May 10, 2009 at 10:20 PM

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p.1 #21 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

Empire wrote:
I only wish there was a decent copy of the FL 55 in the mix. i really can't believe how well mine performs. Unfortunately its t-stop is probably closer to 1.6 than 1.2 but other than that...

I agree... I keep getting fantastic results from the FL.

May 10, 2009 at 11:27 PM

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p.1 #22 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

Daniel Heineck wrote:
of the 8, I prefer the second to the left, upper row one the best. Thanks for doing this! I hope it is fun having so many different renderings available at hand.

Edit--I guess I like the FD 50mm 1.2. Funny-I don't remember seeing the lens ID's the first time I looked.

DITTO !!

May 11, 2009 at 01:03 AM

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p.1 #23 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

The CA control in the FD 1.2 is very impressive. Far better than the others
I have both the Pentax and Rokkor myself. How difficult is it to convert the FD 50 1.2? Which version of the FD 50 1.2 ?

May 11, 2009 at 01:34 AM

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p.1 #24 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

Dimitri, great comparisons! Have you tried the 55mm fd ssc aspherical? I hear good things from leica guru erwin puts, I'm considering it either to adapt to my rangefinder or to modify for eos. My mirror is around 2.5mm shaved, what would you suggest? Thanks

Daniel

May 11, 2009 at 04:19 AM

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p.1 #25 · Major 50mm and 58mm shootout 2!

Daniel, i have not tried fd 55 1.2 ssc asph, but it should be more or less similar to fd 50 1.2L (sharp and contrasty wideopen) i know Convert1 has one with 5D (his page http://www.flickr.com/photos/convert1/page8/ )

May 12, 2009 at 09:45 PM


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