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p.1 #1 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

But Canon users will have to wait 6 more months

http://diglloyd.com/diglloyd/2009-03-blog.html#_20090318ZeissZF21

Mar 19, 2009 at 12:37 PM

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p.1 #2 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

By the way, I've had this lens for a few weeks now, along with the Zeiss 16, 18, 20, 24, 28 and 35. It's called the ZA 16-35

Mar 19, 2009 at 12:40 PM

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p.1 #3 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

Respectable price - if the lens performs as the specs and anticipation proposes. I see the price of the ZF 18mm has come down $400.00 or so.

With Canon coming with the new 17 & 24II TS-E's, the Voigtlander 20mm an the way - the seeming less than exciting ZE 50 & 85 reviews - that the Zeiss ZE's are losing market share.

I still like the idea as a Canon user to opt for the ZF mount in the advent of being able to mount on the Nikon & Canon w/ adapter - may have a higher resale value. Perhaps the price of the Contax 21mm may level a little father.

Mar 19, 2009 at 01:05 PM

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p.1 #4 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

Does anyone know is the Zeiss ZF-series lenses are auto-aperture? I cannot seem to find that information anywhere.

Mar 19, 2009 at 06:33 PM

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p.1 #5 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

Trevor W wrote:
Does anyone know is the Zeiss ZF-series lenses are auto-aperture? I cannot seem to find that information anywhere.

Yes, the ZF lenses are auto-aperture on Nikon SLRs/DSLRs.

The ZK lenses are auto-aperture on the Pentax K-mount SLRs/DSLR's

The ZE lenses are auto aperture on Canon EOS SLR's/DSLR's/

Mar 19, 2009 at 06:52 PM

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p.1 #6 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

edwardkaraa wrote:
By the way, I've had this lens for a few weeks now, along with the Zeiss 16, 18, 20, 24, 28 and 35. It's called the ZA 16-35

Well, I sure would love to believe that the ZA 16-35 could perform as well as the Zeiss 21 but somehow I highly doubt that if the new one is anywhere as good as the older Contax version.

Mar 19, 2009 at 10:44 PM

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p.1 #7 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

1450$ is a good price to sell. And if its as good as promised, at this price tag it may get Zeiss the publicity they need so urgently and may even help to build up a new zeiss user community which is ready to spend some extra money if the product is worth it.

Makes me think of the sage of Winkelried, if you permit a bit of patriotism from my side.

Mar 19, 2009 at 10:58 PM

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p.1 #8 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

are the ZF's CPU'd?

Mar 20, 2009 at 01:12 AM

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p.1 #9 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

ZF's are not CPU lenses. You will need a D200 level body at minimum for metering.

+1 to Tariq's comments. The 16-35 is good, but not Z21 good.

Mar 20, 2009 at 01:21 AM

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p.1 #10 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

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Mar 20, 2009 at 01:49 AM

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p.1 #11 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

Tariq Gibran wrote:
edwardkaraa wrote:
By the way, I've had this lens for a few weeks now, along with the Zeiss 16, 18, 20, 24, 28 and 35. It's called the ZA 16-35

Well, I sure would love to believe that the ZA 16-35 could perform as well as the Zeiss 21 but somehow I highly doubt that if the new one is anywhere as good as the older Contax version.

I sincerely believe from my first hand experience with ZE lenses that this lens will not be able to compete with the old Contax version.

Mar 20, 2009 at 02:10 AM

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edwardkaraa wrote:
I sincerely believe from my first hand experience with ZE lenses that this lens will not be able to compete with the old Contax version.

In some ways it won't, sadly. But the MTFs show that the ZF is significantly better than the C/Y is terms of absolute resolution. I know about your 50mm lens, and that was weird, but come on Edward, don't think that Zeiss and Cosina won't refine and enhance all of these lenses after the first run if tweaking is necessary.

Then again, it makes no sense to me that the EF electronics would take an extra 6 months to produce. You'd think Zeiss would want to go after the larger market that's already been using this exact lens with adapters for years now. Maybe there is a part of the electronics implementation process that they're just not satisfied with yet?

Mar 20, 2009 at 03:46 AM

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p.1 #13 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

i think a non-chipped ZF 21 is completely stupid for the price.

Mar 20, 2009 at 05:40 AM

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p.1 #14 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

I think the price is as we all expected it to be. It's a hundred or so less than what the C/Y version sold for brand new, and the ZF comes with a hood. Were you hoping it would be less?

Mar 20, 2009 at 05:48 AM

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p.1 #15 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

My ZE 21 is supposed to be shipped around the end of this month (March), so says Zeiss in France. But then, what do I know?

Mar 20, 2009 at 06:11 AM

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StevenPA wrote:
I think the price is as we all expected it to be. It's a hundred or so less than what the C/Y version sold for brand new, and the ZF comes with a hood. Were you hoping it would be less?

It was announced 1450€ some time ago , either the US gets the best price again or Zeiss is going to announce a new € price on their own site any time soon. Looks like it is going to be just a bit under 1200€

(1700$ I think it was in the US)

Mar 20, 2009 at 06:58 AM

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p.1 #17 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

When Sony is selling the 16-35 Zeiss for 1800$ with AF and all, I think the current price for the ZF 21 is not unreasonable.

Mar 20, 2009 at 09:22 AM

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p.1 #18 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

i just think any non-CPU'd $1000+ current-production F-mount lens is ridiculous. I don't care if it spouts pure gold onto my sensor, i don't want it haha

Mar 20, 2009 at 10:22 AM

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p.1 #19 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

StevenPA wrote:

Then again, it makes no sense to me that the EF electronics would take an extra 6 months to produce. You'd think Zeiss would want to go after the larger market that's already been using this exact lens with adapters for years now. Maybe there is a part of the electronics implementation process that they're just not satisfied with yet?

Note that while the ZF/ZK lenses are essentially identical apart from the mount and aperture ring, the ZE lenses use nearly all new parts. The ZE's focus in the opposite direction and have a barrel designed for no aperture ring and the larger diameter EF mount as well as the electronics and stepper-actuated aperture mechanism. I doubt there's much parts commonality between the ZE lenses and ZF/ZK lenses apart from the glass and maybe the filter ring/hood mount.

Mar 21, 2009 at 01:53 PM

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ISO1600 wrote:
i just think any non-CPU'd $1000+ current-production F-mount lens is ridiculous. I don't care if it spouts pure gold onto my sensor, i don't want it haha

And I think CPU's are mostly useless. To each his own. I care more about the glass than support for exposure modes I never use or cameras I'm never going to buy.

Mar 21, 2009 at 01:54 PM

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p.1 #21 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

CPU'd lenses don't matter too much to me either, jackass, but it is still a pretty niche market they're going after here. I think if they threw in a small chip it would help out.

A CPU'd lens is not only usable on all Nikon DSLR's, but cameras like the F100 as well.

Mar 21, 2009 at 01:58 PM

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p.1 #22 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

ISO1600 wrote:
CPU'd lenses don't matter too much to me either, jackass, but it is still a pretty niche market they're going after here. I think if they threw in a small chip it would help out.

A CPU'd lens is not only usable on all Nikon DSLR's, but cameras like the F100 as well.

Non-CPU lenses work just fine on the F100 (Used to have an F100 myself, probably will own another one at some point) as well as on any Nikon body that someone willing to pay $1000+ on a lens is likely to have. It's only the low-end DSLR's and AF film bodies that need the CPU for more than enabling P and S modes.

And expensive manual focus lenses are already a niche market. The CPU adds or subtracts very little market share from the equation.

Mar 21, 2009 at 02:02 PM

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p.1 #23 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

CPU'd lenses may become more and more important as camera technology advances.

For example:

Take a look at the recent thread about alt lenses vignetting on the 5D II.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/735258/0
It doesn't happen with Canon lenses, and the cause seems to have something to do with the electronic data recieved from the lens.

It's reasonable to assume that the next generation of cameras may have even more compatibility issues with alt glass, for similar reasons.
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Another possible issue, though something I'm not sure of, yet:

The 5D II's processor has something called "Peripheral Illumination Correction." This evidently improves shadow detail on images that hit the sensor from the sides. (or something like that.) Evidently, it is pre-programmed for the most important Canon lenses, and can be user-programmed for others. (or something like that) Can it be programmed for alt glass? I'm guessing no, because the required electronic feedback doesn't exist.

Hmmm. I think I'll start a new thread about this.

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Mar 21, 2009 at 05:14 PM

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p.1 #24 · Zeiss ZF 21 available

Well, Canon does not seem to tolerate buyers to use any alternative lenses except when they pay the high price of their 1D series. I believe the issues with the 5D/II viewfinder, mirror box... etc. are intentional to discourage people from doing that.

Cableaddict wrote:
CPU'd lenses may become more and more important as camera technology advances.

For example:

Take a look at the recent thread about alt lenses vignetting on the 5D II. It doesn't happen with Canon lenses, and the cause seems to have something to do with the electronic data recieved from the lens.

It's reasonable to assume that the next generation of cameras may have even more compatibility issues with alt glass, for similar reasons.
-----------------

Another possible issue, though something I'm not sure of, yet:

The 5D II's processor has something called "Peripheral Illumination Correction." This evidently improves shadow detail on images that hit the sensor from the sides. (or something like that.) Evidently, it is pre-programmed for the most important Canon lenses, and can be user-programmed for others. (or something like that) Can it be programmed for alt glass? I'm guessing no, because the required electronic feedback doesn't exist.

Hmmm. I think I'll start a new thread about this.

Mar 21, 2009 at 05:30 PM

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Cableaddict wrote:
CPU'd lenses may become more and more important as camera technology advances.

For example:

Take a look at the recent thread about alt lenses vignetting on the 5D II.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/735258/0
It doesn't happen with Canon lenses, and the cause seems to have something to do with the electronic data recieved from the lens.

It's reasonable to assume that the next generation of cameras may have even more compatibility issues with alt glass, for similar reasons.
-----------------

Another possible issue, though something I'm not sure of, yet:

The 5D II's processor has something called "Peripheral Illumination Correction." This evidently improves shadow detail on images that hit the sensor from the sides. (or something like that.) Evidently, it is pre-programmed for the most important Canon lenses, and can be user-programmed for others. (or something like that) Can it be programmed for alt glass? I'm guessing no, because the required electronic feedback doesn't exist.

Hmmm. I think I'll start a new thread about this.

Nikon's Vignetting correction on the D3 (and IIRC D700) works with non-CPU lenses.

Mar 21, 2009 at 05:33 PM


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