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p.4 #1 · On Internet Critique


1decmal8Tango wrote:
Apparently you didn't 'know what I mean'. I'm refering to the type who bought an SLR so that automatically makes them a "semi-professional". You know, when the bride and groom say, "I have a friend who will do it for $100"...those types.

Or maybe you are


...or maybe Tony was kidding. Wow.



Mar 17, 2009 at 10:31 AM
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p.4 #2 · On Internet Critique


1decmal8Tango wrote:
Apparently you didn't 'know what I mean'. I'm refering to the type who bought an SLR so that automatically makes them a "semi-professional". You know, when the bride and groom say, "I have a friend who will do it for $100"...those types.

Or maybe you are


Dude that's offensive... I've had my SLR for at least 3 months now.



Mar 17, 2009 at 10:47 AM
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p.4 #3 · On Internet Critique


Tony Hoffer wrote:
Dude that's offensive... I've had my SLR for at least 3 months now.


http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1364/profv.jpg



Mar 17, 2009 at 10:53 AM
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p.4 #4 · On Internet Critique


dmacmillan wrote:
I'm also reminded of Mark Twain's observation: "Wagner's music is actually much better than it sounds."


True.



Mar 17, 2009 at 11:02 AM
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p.4 #5 · On Internet Critique


jeremy_clay wrote:
Tony Hoffer wrote:
1decmal8Tango wrote:



Mar 17, 2009 at 11:19 AM
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p.4 #6 · On Internet Critique


Actually, one of the presenters at WPPI said that he primarily shoots in Auto mode. I was shocked because he's a famous photographer with lots of accolades for his work. He said, yes, he's able to shoot all manual but he knows what results he'll get in Auto or P mode and how to use it and that's how he shoots.


Mar 17, 2009 at 11:27 AM
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p.4 #7 · On Internet Critique


Brian Lingle wrote:
Actually, one of the presenters at WPPI said that he primarily shoots in Auto mode. I was shocked because he's a famous photographer with lots of accolades for his work. He said, yes, he's able to shoot all manual but he knows what results he'll get in Auto or P mode and how to use it and that's how he shoots.


Pop up flash? Link to his work??



Mar 17, 2009 at 11:27 AM
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p.4 #8 · On Internet Critique


I roll in T mode most of the time. I 'can' work in full M mode, but if my camera is so SMRT I figure I might as well use some of its brains instead of taxing my own.




Mar 17, 2009 at 11:28 AM
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p.4 #9 · On Internet Critique


Susan Stripling switched from full manual mode to Aperture priority (with exp. compensation) when she went from canon to nikon. She said the Nikon system was much more consistent. I'm jealous - I can't trust my 5D to determine its own exposure to save its life.

So when did this thread suddenly go off-topic?



Mar 17, 2009 at 11:31 AM
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Brian Lingle wrote:
Actually, one of the presenters at WPPI said that he primarily shoots in Auto mode. I was shocked because he's a famous photographer with lots of accolades for his work. He said, yes, he's able to shoot all manual but he knows what results he'll get in Auto or P mode and how to use it and that's how he shoots.


Joe Buissink, I presume. He's the man.

He also shoots film and has a full-time personal printer... ;-)

A lot of pj's use A mode most of the time though.

-m



Mar 17, 2009 at 11:32 AM
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p.4 #11 · On Internet Critique


Deb Brundage wrote:
I can't trust my 5D to determine its own exposure to save its life.


Really?? Always loved mine!



Mar 17, 2009 at 11:35 AM
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p.4 #12 · On Internet Critique


I always shoot in professional mode. That's what the "P" stands for.


Mar 17, 2009 at 11:48 AM
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p.4 #13 · On Internet Critique


wait... you mean your camera didn't come with one of these on top?

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/ksmahgrts/weddingmode.jpg



Mar 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM
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p.4 #14 · On Internet Critique


Tony Hoffer wrote:
Really?? Always loved mine!


Yeah - I find I can shoot the same scene with teh same light and the same exposure compensation, and get two completely different exposures if I'm in Av mode. I shoot manual if I can - unless the lighting is changing so fast that I'll be blowing too many colors or highlights.



Mar 17, 2009 at 12:02 PM
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p.4 #15 · On Internet Critique


Thanks, Maurice. Yeah, it was Joe.

Carmina and Deb, Thanks for the similar examples. Using P mode has a stigma that anyone who uses it is automatically an uncool amateur. People throw that notion around as if it's a universally accepted, unassailable fact. Buissinik being who he is and saying that he uses that mode was really liberating to me. I may not be able to use it and get the results I want like he does, so I probably won't use it, but when he described how he uses it, I felt like I'd just been released from some kind of straight jacket.

That's very much on topic for a discussion of online feedback. This kind of thing goes on a lot. Not so much in direct feedback but in our discussions. Something becomes labeled and judged as not cool and the social stigma and emotional charge behind it is so strong that anyone questioning it is cast in a bad light. It's limiting to creative thinking and it's part of what makes us all look and think the same.

Exampes:

Selective coloring
Using P mode
Giving the client a DVD of the images (much more so a few years ago)
Labeling those who opposed the invasion of Iraq to be unpatriotic

This kind of thing is common and it's used very effectively to manipulate and control people. We who consider ourselves to be artists and creative thinkers need to be mindful of using labels and concepts like a hammer and of letting ourselves be blindly molded by popular opinion on the internet, in professional associations and in any other social context.



Mar 17, 2009 at 12:09 PM
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p.4 #16 · On Internet Critique


Brian Lingle wrote:
Exampes:

Selective coloring
Using P mode
Giving the client a DVD of the images (much more so a few years ago)
Labeling those who opposed the invasion of Iraq to be unpatriotic




"..one of these things, is not like the others..."



Mar 17, 2009 at 12:11 PM
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p.4 #17 · On Internet Critique


Deb, Shooting in A mode with a spot meter setting in camera, if I move the spot just a little bit, it changes the exposure. If you experiment with it, intentionally moving the metering spot to different areas of light and dark in the scene and checking the results, you'll see that you can predict and control the results fairly consistently.


Mar 17, 2009 at 12:22 PM
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p.4 #18 · On Internet Critique


Busted! Thanks, Jeremy. I hesitated then threw that one in anyway. I thought it was a more clear example of how that kind of thing is used to manipulate and control people and create a sense that the those who differ are the opposition and their views have no validity.

I know I could be more articulate on this, but it would take a lot of time to do that. I hope I've said it well enough to make sense.



Mar 17, 2009 at 12:31 PM
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p.4 #19 · On Internet Critique


Brian Lingle wrote:
I know I could be more articulate on this, but it would take a lot of time to do that. I hope I've said it well enough to make sense.


totally.



Mar 17, 2009 at 12:32 PM
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p.4 #20 · On Internet Critique


Thanks again, jeremy.


Mar 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM
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