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http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/antarctica-2009-worked.shtml

"The largest group of failures [in our group of 77 photographers and instructors] were among the Canon 5D MKIIs. Of the 26 samples of this camera onboard, one quarter (six) failed at one time or another, and while three recovered, the other three never did. In all cases it appeared to be water or humidity damage. Of particular concern were two cameras which stopped working while completely protected within Kata rain covers during a light rain ashore.

"No Nikon bodies (mostly D700s) failed in any way.

"I should note that the 5D MKII's are not rated as weather resistant, but then neither are the Sony A900's. I deliberately allowed both of my A900 bodies be exposed to the rain for two days ashore to see how they would stand up. There were no operational difficulties."

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P.S. Please don't shoot the messenger: I have five Canon bodies (including 5DII) myself.



Feb 06, 2009 at 11:15 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


Well I have to shoot you Ralph


Feb 06, 2009 at 11:24 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


Someone skilled in Statistics will bail Canon out this time round too


Feb 06, 2009 at 11:28 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


I used my 5D2 in light rain with no rain-cover while in Japan a few weeks ago. I didn't have any problems with the camera.

Also, a few times I thought my 5D2 had focusing problems when in fact my left hand index finger was hitting the depth of field button. The 5D2's depth of field button appears to be bigger and more easily triggered than before.

I'm sure these folks had some real problems with their 5D2... hopefully a common cause can be discovered and fixed.



Feb 06, 2009 at 11:31 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


maverick666 wrote:
Well I have to shoot you Ralph


I have no fear of you! I am clad in a weather-resistant polycarbonate shell that can withstand, um, oh, never mind....



Feb 06, 2009 at 11:36 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


Rampai65 wrote:
Someone skilled in Statistics will bail Canon out this time round too


6 divided by 26... hmmm, 0.0000000001327 = statistically insignificant



Feb 06, 2009 at 11:38 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


Well, its unfortunate for MR, but until we know the details of the failures, I would say the evidence of high failure is anecdotal at best.


Feb 06, 2009 at 11:44 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


Did MR have 26 each of A900s, D700s and D3s? Probably not.

I will say the 5DMkII body seems flimsy. The battery cover door creaks due to the bottom plate near the battery cover fitting loosely. I had to tighten a screw inside the battery compartment using a precision Phillips screw-driver. If water/moisture got in there, then it could short out the battery.

The CF cover door creaks too and I had to put electrical tape on the inside of the door so it doesn't flex with a moderately heavy lens like the 24-70.



Feb 06, 2009 at 11:45 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


rsg_1 wrote:
Did MR have 26 each of A900s, D700s and D3s? Probably not.


77 Photogs, 70% Canon, 30% Nikon, One Sony and 10 Phase One Backs.



Feb 07, 2009 at 12:02 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


Hang on... didn't we have a similar story only with a 50D a while back? 0.o


Feb 07, 2009 at 12:09 AM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


rsg_1 wrote:
Well, its unfortunate for MR, but until we know the details of the failures, I would say the evidence of high failure is anecdotal at best.


One concerning thing is the number of anecdotal failures is unusually high, just look at the current and past threads on this forum for example



Feb 07, 2009 at 12:09 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


52 Camera's are Canon, 26 are 5DII's. Wonder why these failed the most

Couldn't be that a third of the people on the boat were shooting them could it? Couldn't be statistical probability here at all. A 1DSIII failed too, that's rated as weatherproof.



Feb 07, 2009 at 12:14 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


Stunnaz wrote:
6 divided by 26... hmmm, 0.0000000001327 = statistically insignificant


fuzzi math



Feb 07, 2009 at 12:29 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


If you read the "What worked what didn't" article on LL some of the cameras had grips on them. Apparently the grips collect water in the rain. I just looked at mine and if that happened it looks like water would follow the grip battery shaft into the battery compartment. Also it looks like this is worse if you do not store the original battery cover properly in the slot on the grip.




Edited on Feb 07, 2009 at 01:11 AM · View previous versions



Feb 07, 2009 at 12:56 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


sivrajbm wrote:
fuzzi math



you're right , he has already drank the koolaid tho



Feb 07, 2009 at 12:57 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


haha. that doesn't even sound right...

6/26 * 100 = 23%

1/4 of the Canon 5DII failed.



Feb 07, 2009 at 01:03 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


"The top LCD on a 5D MKII spontaneously cracked; Another 5D MKII had a jambed on lens caused by a loose screw, a 1Ds MKIII reported intermittent problems; a 1D MKIII kept reporting Error 99;"

Err 99. What a trip that must have been for that person. I feel pretty bad about these Canons failing- it really makes you wonder how reliable these cameras really under extreme conditions. But to have no Nikon fail? That's crazy.
Well, if you say, 70% of the 23 Nikon users had the D700 (the article mentioned "most"), that makes 16 D700s. 6 out of 26 5DII's failed- that's 23%- it's impossible to work the statistics without the standard deviations.
However, the difference- 23%... compared to no failures.... that would appear to be significant.



Feb 07, 2009 at 01:08 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


RalphJ wrote:
In all cases it appeared to be water or humidity damage.


So six out of 26 (or 23%) 5DII owners are idiots, no biggie.



Feb 07, 2009 at 01:14 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


I will probably never go to the Antartic


Feb 07, 2009 at 01:22 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · 5DII failures on LL Antarctic trip


This is the statement that concerns me the most:

"I don't know what conclusions should be drawn from this high percentage of 5D MKII failures. All I can do is report on the facts of the matter. As for the weather during which most of the failures happened, it was no worse than a drizzly day in winter in New York or Berlin. Nothing Antarctic about it at all."



Feb 07, 2009 at 01:28 AM
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