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Steve Perry
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p.1 #1 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


OK, there's been some discussion about whether the D3x in crop mode is as good as, or better than, the D300. Having both cameras, I can say from practical field experience, the D3x seems better. However, I've been mostly using it in FX mode, so I figured a test was in order (thanks to some suggestions on another thread). So, here's the scoop:

I took my D3x and put it into DX mode, and got out the D300 and took some shots. Now, I'm not a professional "tester" so my methods may not be perfect, but you get what ya pay for

Both cameras used the 24-70 at F8. Shutter speed was set identically for BOTH cameras at each ISO.

However, when set that way, it seemed like the D300 was about 1/3, maybe 1/4 less sensitive than the D3x. Strange, but I'm just telling you what I saw. As such, I made an additional exposure with the D300 when shooting the 800 ISO stuff, 1/3 higher than the rest for comparison. Now, my opinion is that shot should not even be here, simply because if I added another 1/3rd to the D3x, it would help with the noise in the same way it did with the D300.

Anyhow, I've also uploaded all the NEFs to my image server, so you can download and compare for yourself. Links after the last test shot below.

Also, I have no horse in this race - I own both cameras, so I'm not trying to "prove" one is better than the other. BOTH are excellent in my opinion! I'll admit, they are closer than I thought they would be, but I think I give the nod to the D3x. I like the grain structure better, but that's just my preference. Look at the background, the way the holes in that old laundry basket seem "clunkier" in the D300 by a touch.

Finally, I think that the D3x in DX mode can replace the D300 in my bag. Image quality seems a touch better, and I can switch from DX back to FX as needed (24MP photos of wildlife are cool ).

In addition, it's more rugged, has all the nice D3x features, faster AF, and 7FPS is plenty fast in DX mode.

Anyhow, here's the overall shot:





Feb 04, 2009 at 08:25 PM
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p.1 #2 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


If you'd like to download any of the images in their full NEF glory, you can do so with the links below.


D300 Images

http://imgsrv.worldstart.com/d300d3x/d300-1600.NEF
http://imgsrv.worldstart.com/d300d3x/d300-800.NEF
http://imgsrv.worldstart.com/d300d3x/d300-400.NEF

Note: This is the one I gave the extra 1/3rd comp to mentioned above.

http://imgsrv.worldstart.com/d300d3x/d300-800comp.NEF


D3x images

http://imgsrv.worldstart.com/d300d3x/d3x-1600.NEF
http://imgsrv.worldstart.com/d300d3x/d3x-800.NEF
http://imgsrv.worldstart.com/d300d3x/d3x-400.NEF


Hope you enjoyed the test! What do you think of the results? Did the D3x win,the D300 or was it a tie?



Feb 04, 2009 at 08:27 PM
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p.1 #3 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


Oh, and almost forgot! No teddy bears were hurt in the making of these images, despite the dubious position of that 8 ball

Steve



Feb 04, 2009 at 08:29 PM
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p.1 #4 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


Based on what I see here, I'd still give thumbs up to D3X all the way from 400 to 1600. At the pixel peeping level. On print, well I'm too cheap to print out all those 13x19s

Edit: And thanks for the tests Steve!



Feb 04, 2009 at 08:55 PM
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p.1 #5 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


There is more fine detail in the d300 shots. How come the d300 shots don't appear slightly larger? The higher pixel count should show a slightly larger crop, right? Maybe it is, but the difference between 10 and 12mp is real minor. These are 100% crops, right? The fur sticking out from the side of it's head is clearly visible in the d300 shots. I'm just going by the shots in this post, I haven't looked at the linked files. I'm impressed at the consistent color across the shots too.

I don't have a d3x, so I have a horse in this race

Unless you need the smaller body, if you already have a d3x I really can't see a reason to get a d300. Sell it for glass! Do you agree?

Thanx for posting this.



Feb 04, 2009 at 09:00 PM
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p.1 #6 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


Heck, I'm just relieved the D300 did as well as it did!


Feb 04, 2009 at 09:04 PM
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p.1 #7 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


AZRich wrote:
There is more fine detail in the d300 shots. How come the d300 shots don't appear slightly larger? The higher pixel count should show a slightly larger crop, right? Maybe it is, but the difference between 10 and 12mp is real minor. These are 100% crops, right? The fur sticking out from the side of it's head is clearly visible in the d300 shots. I'm just going by the shots in this post, I haven't looked at the linked files. I'm impressed at the consistent color across the shots too.

I don't have a d3x, so I have a horse in
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Might be the way I cropped them, the D300 shots are just a touch bigger. Almost no diff between 12 and 10 MP. Much smaller than I thought it would be. Feel free to download the NEFs.

The differences are so minor that yes, I think the D300 should probably go. However, I like having multiple bodies with different lenses on 'em, so I'm still not sure. (That, and I've always liked that camera).

Steve



Feb 04, 2009 at 09:08 PM
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p.1 #8 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


The only problem I see is I can't afford the D3x
Thanks for the time you spent on this project
It does confirm just how good the D300 is, even though I have a D3, I think the D300 is the best buy out there in a camera today.



Feb 04, 2009 at 09:10 PM
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p.1 #9 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


The only problem I see is I can't afford the D3x
Thanks for the time you spent on this project
It does confirm just how good the D300 is, even though I have a D3, I think the D300 is the best buy out there in a camera today.



Feb 04, 2009 at 09:11 PM
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p.1 #10 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


Dennis H. wrote:
The only problem I see is I can't afford the D3x
Thanks for the time you spent on this project
It does confirm just how good the D300 is, even though I have a D3, I think the D300 is the best buy out there in a camera today.


No doubt in my mind about that. Bang for the buck, a D300 is really hard to beat.



Feb 04, 2009 at 09:12 PM
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p.1 #11 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


The grain is much smoother/better on the D3x shots IMO. Thanks for the comparisons Steve.

Cheers
Leigh



Feb 04, 2009 at 09:26 PM
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p.1 #12 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


Thanks for the test, they look pretty close to me.

I would like to download the ISO 1600 files and take a closer look, but for some reason Quicktime is the not letting me (they want me to pay them money and I won't).



Feb 04, 2009 at 09:45 PM
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p.1 #13 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


Steve Perry wrote:
No doubt in my mind about that. Bang for the buck, a D300 is really hard to beat.


especially at the used prices, I mean $1050 for a D300 is a hell of alot of camera for $1000.



Feb 04, 2009 at 09:58 PM
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p.1 #14 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


TonyBeach wrote:
Thanks for the test, they look pretty close to me.

I would like to download the ISO 1600 files and take a closer look, but for some reason Quicktime is the not letting me (they want me to pay them money and I won't).


Right-click the link and select Save Target As...

I noticed the same weird QuickTime thing when I test-downloaded one of them. Why the web browser thinks it needs to display NEFs with quicktime is beyond me. Doing the Save Target As lets you actaully download the file.

I was surprised how close they were, that's for sure. Seems like with the stuff I've been shooting the D3x is better, but it may be because I'm shooting full-frame subjects and it just seems better or something.



Feb 04, 2009 at 10:46 PM
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p.1 #15 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


Thanks for taking the time to do your test Steve !! I don't have either camera but it helps to get an idea where the cropped mode is on the D3X. Now we need a D3H

Darren



Feb 04, 2009 at 11:09 PM
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p.1 #16 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


Steve Perry wrote:
I was surprised how close they were, that's for sure. Seems like with the stuff I've been shooting the D3x is better, but it may be because I'm shooting full-frame subjects and it just seems better or something.


Oh man....... next you'll be hanging out with brainiac.......

All kidding aside, I've been quite impressed with the d3x high ISO capability and, of course, general IQ. It bodes well for future development of both DX and FX bodies.

For my print needs, 12mp is plenty good. But, I wouldn't mind seeing a 16 to 18mp ultra high ISO d700 replacement though. Dunno that I'd buy one, but the extra cropping room would be nice. Going from the 100% VF on the d300 to the d700 VF bites me on the seat once in a while, so it would be cool to have the extra MPs for looser framing.

OTOH, I dunno, but I doubt that I'd be thrilled with a higher MP d300 replacement..... Seems likely to me that the tech is going to have to improve significantly before DX sensors can pack a bunch more pixels in there without losing more ground on noise performance.





Feb 04, 2009 at 11:24 PM
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p.1 #17 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


I had a chance to look at the ISO 1600 files (and now I'm reinstalling iTunes).

A couple of issues concern me: one being high ISO noise reduction which I couldn't turn off with Nikon View, and the other being the different focal lengths used for each camera (62mm for the D300 and 66mm for the D3x). In the crops I took from Imaging Resource the noise reduction was specifically turned off -- it may be that NR is implemented differently between the cameras. Also, the Picture Control profiles (which I can never make match between any two Nikon cameras using Nikon's software) are probably interpreting the data differently which would explain part of the difference between the file's brightness and they may meter slightly differently too.

That said, I come to two conclusions looking at these. First, the D3x does look like a passable DX camera and based on what I see here I expect a "D700x" will replace my D300 -- except for sports, because I get 6.5 fps from my D300 and I suspect the "D700x" will not be that fast when it comes out. Second, I have been happy with my D300 and get excellent results with it, and this affirms my decision to hold off on getting a D700 last fall and waiting for a "D700x". Now I just hope Nikon delivers one before I lose my patience and end up with an A900 instead.



Feb 05, 2009 at 02:42 AM
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Also, the Picture Control profiles (which I can never make match between any two Nikon cameras using Nikon's software) are probably interpreting the data differently which would explain part of the difference between the file's brightness and they may meter slightly differently too.


Picture controls are just adjustment value profile that can be applied to RAW images within NX - if the exposure of two images is different between the D300 and the D3X and their internal camera picture settings are the same, then the cameras are metering / capturing differently....NX2 will apply the same adjustment "amounts" from the embedded information contained in the NEF.

Aka, there is no "D3X vivid" which is different than a "D300 vivid", unless Nikon actually changes the picture mode defaults of that profile (highly unlikly), or the user tweaks one camera's profile and not the other.





Feb 05, 2009 at 04:20 AM
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p.1 #19 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


Kerry Pierce wrote:
OTOH, I dunno, but I doubt that I'd be thrilled with a higher MP d300 replacement..... Seems likely to me that the tech is going to have to improve significantly before DX sensors can pack a bunch more pixels in there without losing more ground on noise performance.



I've been thinking about that too. I expected the D3x to really be significantly better given it has slightly larger pixels and another year+ of development. I am really curious if the D400 @ 15MP or so is just going to be too noisy at higher ISOs. To say nothing of the generation after that, the D500.

It'll be fun to watch.

Steve



Feb 05, 2009 at 07:16 AM
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p.1 #20 · D3x DX Crop vs D300


TonyBeach wrote:
I had a chance to look at the ISO 1600 files (and now I'm reinstalling iTunes).

A couple of issues concern me: one being high ISO noise reduction which I couldn't turn off with Nikon View, and the other being the different focal lengths used for each camera (62mm for the D300 and 66mm for the D3x). In the crops I took from Imaging Resource the noise reduction was specifically turned off -- it may be that NR is implemented differently between the cameras. Also, the Picture Control profiles (which I can never make match between any two Nikon cameras using
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Ahh, I must have moved the zoom when I changed cameras, that's probably why the image size is the same. I don't know if 4mm would make any diff though.

If I get a chance later today, I'll look at the NR settings and see if I can turn those off. I didn't think of doing it yesterday because this is how I normally shoot. Having it turned off wouldn't mean much to me.

Steve



Feb 05, 2009 at 07:20 AM
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