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terrific thread with great advice all around. my additional suggestion is an obvious, interview 101 bit that we sometimes overlook. be your brand.

the client probably "knows you" from your website/blog. so if you're trying to be a gentle, demure, romantic type of photographer, carry that through on your take-away materials, and in your attire and accessories. if you're a shabby chic floral photographer, leave the goth garb at home for example, my style (in life and photography) combines vintage sensibilities with a modern flair for the dramatic, so if i'm meeting a client outside of my studio, my attire is typically tailored but i have an amazing funky bag that matches my studio colors. it's a memorable little punch that's very 'me'

be professional, but be yourself - the whole package impresses.

i heard bambi cantrell speak recently and she spent a lot of time talking about that initial client meeting. i'll see if i can find any of her specifics online for you.



Jan 11, 2009 at 05:08 PM
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The last meeting I had, the meeting lasted almost 2 hours. Why? Because I was genuinely interested in my clients and their wedding day. We also broke bread and had a great time of fellowship at a local bistrow. It's my new "vibe" and it's what I'm going to stick with.

Red Vine Studios = Realness

I'm a talker... that's who I am, but I listen. Sometimes I take notes, sometimes not.

All I know is the bride said she opened every website she found on google (and all the good ones in my city are there) and that I was the last one she opened. She sold herself then and there.

So my point is, you must be POLISHED from the website, to the paperwork, to the phone call, to the email, to the meeting.

Polish yourself into the best YOU, you can be, because you'll never be something you're not. The clients will book YOU to photograph the day because of you.

-tmiller
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http://redvinestudios.com



Jan 12, 2009 at 12:01 AM
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tmiller wrote:
The last meeting I had, the meeting lasted almost 2 hours. Why? Because I was genuinely interested in my clients and their wedding day. We also broke bread and had a great time of fellowship at a local bistrow. It's my new "vibe" and it's what I'm going to stick with.

Red Vine Studios = Realness

I'm a talker... that's who I am, but I listen. Sometimes I take notes, sometimes not.

All I know is the bride said she opened every website she found on google (and all the good ones in my city are there) and that I was the last
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A ton of great advice on this thread, but none rings truer than this. Those last two sentences perfectly sum up the idea that should go into both client meetings and your business as a whole.



Jan 12, 2009 at 12:13 PM
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saad - Focus on the bride, VERY good point. Thank you for the reply.

bensassophotog - I bring al album with me on my meetings. my PROBLEM however is I don't know enough to be QUIET while they are looking at this. I bet they don't even hear what Im saying lol. Good tip on not bombarding them.

dannyrod - I do that too! I tend to get nervous and having a pen in my hand keeps it to a minimum. I also don't have the BEST memory so taking notes helps to refresh.

RedWhiteandRed - I really like your assurance to the couple. I think probably most of the photographers people will meet with will say a lot of the same key things. Differentiating yourself by just exuding confidence and assuring them that your the man for the job sounds smart.

Tony Hoffer - I WOULD AGREE. I feel like my meetings are too "business". They last no more than a half hour and I don't have that feeling of connection for as many as I should. This is definitely something I am going to work on in 09.

The Grays - I just ordered the book. Funny I had heard about it but only in a generic business sense. Im trusting you lol! I have completely forgotten about having something to differentiate yourself. When I first started I used to bring flowers to my client meetings for the new bride. I thought seeing the bouquet I brought on their kitchen table would keep me fresh in their mind.

prof_fate - This has been something I am definitely working on. Top down selling I think is the business term for it. Too often I think I lead with my most inexpensive package not really know what they need or what their budget is. Thanks for the reminder on this.

barefootbeach - I have my contact info at the top then half of the sheet (landscape) is my testimonials. The other half is my package pricing. I find it useful to keep all this info on one sheet.

Matt Graves - I do try to use phrasing that pertains to ME being the one to shoot their wedding. I agree this helps. I always take it as a huge buying sign when they do this as well.

ksmahgrts - OOOH GREAT SUGGESTION! I never even thought about carrying my branding, photography focus through my appearance. I think this is very helpful. I would love to read specifics from Cantrell if you can find them.

tmiller - "Polish yourself into the best YOU, you can be, because you'll never be something you're not. The clients will book YOU to photograph the day because of you." I love this, what a great peice of advice. I am definitely taking this to heart.

Thank you al for the amazing suggestions. I feel like I have so much better of an understanding for initial meetings. I've got so many great tips and can't wait to try them out. I think they will make an enormous difference in my business. I am thankful we have a forum filled with wonderful individuals who not only are awesome enough to share their knowledge but also now what they're doing , allowing for the knowledge to be USEFUL!



Jan 12, 2009 at 12:16 PM
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p.2 #5 · Initial Meeting Tips


good tips. Many valuable peices of advice


Jan 12, 2009 at 11:08 PM
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I think the advice given here has been great! As a photographer that runs a studio with 5 other shooters I think the first meeting is very important! Just by knowing your craft, listening with concern, giving advice or insight, and just being you will always win them over! If they are in your studio for a consult then they already know what your stuff is going to look like, they are there to meet YOU! Who are YOU as a person, friend, photographer. They really have already made the decision that they like your work when they have taken time out of there busy schedule to come and talk with you. So close the deal on personality. They love your work now show them they will love you too!


Jan 13, 2009 at 12:05 AM
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oh.... just to let you know too... this really works every time! I booked 3 weddings alone today!


Jan 13, 2009 at 12:07 AM
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Wow - great thread. All very valid points from all contributors. I know from reading this, the one that hit home with me is the STFU statement. I find sometimes I do talk too much because I'm an extrovert and it's just my personality. I have a client meeting Sunday and I'm going to apply pretty much everything I've read here today. Thank you all...


Jan 13, 2009 at 01:04 PM
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I had my first TRUE meeting last night (I consider it a true meeting because I didn't know this couple before hand) and I think it went really well. I used many of the strategies talked about here and I think I was definitely able to connect with the them. I am confident I will get their business.


Jan 16, 2009 at 09:54 PM
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This thread is great.

I'm putting it to use this weekend! The two couples are pretty much decided on me (my interpretation, maybe I'm just excited?). This is just the final step of meeting in person and them being able to see albums, canvases, large prints, etc. to see what package they'd like.

I just got sample canvases and am really stoked about them, so hopefully they pay off.



Jan 16, 2009 at 10:04 PM
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My last meeting I booked a $2,000 wedding (a lot for me) without showing a single wedding image.

You know how I did it? I spoke with them, gained trust, and became a friend within the first 5 minutes. I'm genuinely interested in couples and the love between them, it interests me. They picked up on it. Midway through our meeting, when it came time to talk about business, I picked up my camera and said, "let's go outside - a free engagement shoot on me". Already trusting me, they did, I showed them the images on the back of the LCD, and whammy, $1,000 retainer and an overly excited couple.



Jan 17, 2009 at 01:10 PM
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Did very well today. Meeting lasted about two hours (I guess that's a good thing). Talked a lot about weddings in general. The bride went from a $600 budget to secretly wanting full day coverage to openly admitting needing full day coverage to seriously considering an album. Showing albums = gold.


Jan 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM
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p.2 #13 · Initial Meeting Tips


David Ziser over at DigitalProTalk.com has done a series of posts on the business side of photography especially wedding photography. I recommend everyone to read and watch the posts and use his 30+ years of experience to your benefit.


Jan 18, 2009 at 05:09 AM
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ARDENT wrote:
Let me start by prefacing that I have done a search and read the threads where others have asked this question before. VERY helpful... I am always so impressed with the high level of professionals we have here at Fred Miranda and thought while I was researching a revamp on my initial client meetings I would ask for some suggestions. I have been photographing weddings as a primary for about 2 years now. I am finally feeling as if my work is very "technically sound" and shifting my focus to more creativity, angles, lighting etc that support my vision and
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Lots of great suggestions so far, though after reading your first post one thing popped into my mind.

What isn't working for you so far? What is your booking rate? That is, how many meetings do you have on average for each booking? 3 to 1? 5 to 1?

That info will be helpful in figuring out exactly how much you need to change. Like some others here I've been successful in sales for over a decade and one thing I see in several industries are people who change their methods too radically when things really weren't that bad to begin with....if that makes sense.

80/20 rule? This is a must. Come up with a list of open-ended questions and memorize them. Get the couple talking, first and foremost. Ask them what their expectations are for the meeting? Ask them how their ideal photographer will fit into their wedding day, etc... Getting them to speak will automatically make them more comfortable with you.

Control your nerves. People feel it, sense it, and it adds to their own discomfort. When you are around someone who is nervous and trying to sell you something, what is your immediate perception? This is one of the #1 deal killers in all walks of sales IMO, and it's avoidable in many cases.

Now, saying to control your nerves sounds stupid, right? Well, it's easier to do than most people think. For starters, don't drink 5 diet cokes a few hours before the meeting. Lay off the breakfast pastry & Venti coffee from Starbucks. Stay away from processed foods & heavy amounts of sugar. You can find a lot of information online, but basically the wrong foods can contribute strongly to your feelings of nervousness. Some people can overcome it, but others have a harder time. In my day job I not only meet with individuals and groups of people in private meetings, I often give speeches in front of organizations and groups. After seeing me speak several years ago (in college), an older man who knew his *stuff,* told me that people who are nervous in front of an audience either don't know what they are talking about, aren't prepared physically to speak, or both.

In other words, if you know your stuff (you sound like you do), then you can control everything else and overcome it. Sounds cheesy, but it's true.


Lots of great advice on this thread!



Jan 18, 2009 at 08:40 AM
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p.2 #15 · Initial Meeting Tips


thanks to this thread, i have a running count of 3 weddings for 09. chyea!


Jan 18, 2009 at 06:37 PM
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Sergio Mottola wrote:
thanks to this thread, i have a running count of 3 weddings for 09. chyea!


About time brother! I dig your style...

-tmiller



Jan 18, 2009 at 07:07 PM
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So was it a turnaround for your Sergio? What I mean is, was there a large difference in meeting quality/length, etc.?

Both meetings I had this weekend lasted over an hour and a half and were very casual, positive, and friendly. People love to talk!



Jan 18, 2009 at 07:39 PM
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good point on the Dale Carnagie book.. I read it then took the coarse way back in 1976.. when i graduated from the coarse they affered me to be one of the instructors.. i was flattered, still am, i ask alot of people if they have ever heard of this.. alot of people have'nt.. An excellent outlook to the ways of human relations when running ANY business.. Does you a world of good. After I graduated I gave a lecture for the Fla. Schoolastic Press Association on photographic composition at FIU. in front of 300 people.. the book and coarse opens you up and hones your skills and CONFIDENCE,, highly recommended.. thank you to the Grays. BRUCE


Jan 18, 2009 at 07:58 PM
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Clothing is not optional.


Jan 18, 2009 at 08:02 PM
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PS - A real tip is selling starts during the emails. The couple needs to love you, your work, and know you care about their wedding well before the meeting. Rarely do I go to a meeting without them bringing their chequebook - we meet to show that my prints look like they do on a monitor, that my contract is fine, and that I'm a real person.


Jan 18, 2009 at 08:04 PM
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